Lets be honest and talk about microbes there use, affects and cost

eyderbuddy said:

EWC? BT?

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Earth Worm Castings & Bacillus Thuringiensis to kill crawly gnat grubs

To continue the conversation I'm seeing a few of you speaking on making your own microbes and that is fine many through aerated compost teas it looks like.

With this user's question specific to microbes and efficient ones here you Go.

The Bacillus / Glomus and trichoderma Rates Per Cfu/Gram CannoT be made at home in controlled manner as some of the products I will show in detail. Also lots of species of the above cannot be made at home. (You maybe be able to get a few)

Whichever vehicle you take, it is all about making your plants happy. Good luck.

eyderbuddy said:

I don't think microbes are absolutely necessary or that you can't grow without them but in my experience they work to improve plant health, and show visible results within days.

I'm quite the "frugal person" and usually just DIY everything on the cheap side. But then i spent about $25 on microbes... Just to give them a try, i thought... and haven't looked back ever since.

Products like Recharge, Tribus, Mammoth P, Photo Plus... They just work (yes, i've tried them) when used correctly. Some may be on the cheap side and some on the expensive side, but that's up to the buyer.

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I already use recharge and after a LOT of research about Tribus Original I really want to to try it. Do you think recharge and Tribus Original will work well together or are they to similar?

The advantage of mychorzea and other such stuff is they assist in transport of nutrients to the plant itself. Mychorzea specifically, my understanding, is it helps keeps roots nice and clean. It was explained to me like this: plants have highways in their bodies the same way humans do [veins], we get clogs causing strokes and heart attacks. Beneficial bacteria keeps the plants highway system moving and unclogged. Sorry 4 the elementary explanation. Tarantula is the only thing I've ever used. Some of those products posted sound/look real interesting

KingKush517 said:

I already use recharge and after a LOT of research about Tribus Original I really want to to try it. Do you think recharge and Tribus Original will work well together or are they to similar?

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Look at the label.

Tribus only has about 4-5 Strains but has billions of cultures, recharge is a whole mix of over 10 strains including fulvic and molasses etc...

If you're doing hydro then Tribus is the way to go. I'd use Recharge on soil because of the more "organic" make up.

Not related, but i got the chance to try Mykos Xtreme, and it makes plants grow as if they had the biggest pot they could. It's very interesting

Stryker427 said:

The advantage of mychorzea and other such stuff is they assist in transport of nutrients to the plant itself. Mychorzea specifically, my understanding, is it helps keeps roots nice and clean. It was explained to me like this: plants have highways in their bodies the same way humans do [veins], we get clogs causing strokes and heart attacks. Beneficial bacteria keeps the plants highway system moving and unclogged. Sorry 4 the elementary explanation. Tarantula is the only thing I've ever used. Some of those products posted sound/look real interesting

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From my understanding mycos create a sort of symbiotic relationship with roots, which allows them to exchange nutrients efficiently in a way that is beneficial for plant being able to take in nutrients optimally. Beneficials on the other hand i understand work in the soil breaking in dead roots and other dead organic matter in the soil, which shits out nutrients that are in a form easily available for the plant, this also cleans out crap from grow medium that could otherwise have bad bacteria growing in it.

I'm a big fan of microbes and have been since I had absolutely horrible brown slime in DWC and was able to get rid of it and never get it again with Heisenbergs tea. That was a long time ago and I now grow in soil. I use BioAg , ReCharge and Tribus and couldn't be happier. I wouldn't want to grow without them to be honest.

What's the opinion on the efficacy of microbes in a DTW coco setup?

Has anyone used the bloom booster Flower Fuel made by Element Nutrients?

I use fox farm microbe brew...since starting to use it I have notice much faster thicker root growth as well as the plant itself growing much faster..and basically no stress when transplanted they dont stop growing even for a day...jist my current experience and I'm using happy frog so imo out helps wether its in good soil or shit soil

Collect and grow your own microbes. It's easy. No need to pay ridiculous prices for what's already all around us.

Humic acid is food for microbes right?

So theoretically after flip or beginning of veg. I could pour a healthy dose of microbes one time into my rez and then keep them alive by continuously pouring in humic acid

xtsho said:

No need to pay ridiculous prices

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I bought bacterex from biotabs like 8 months ago or so. Grew few plants with it and used it many times the recommended dose. I still have about 1/3rd left and it cost about 35 bucks.

I dont think the price is ridiculous. If i need to spend more than hour thinking and doing the work to get the beneficials to easily handled container where they last me at least a year of use(and as easily used as commercial products) and unless the beneficials i make myself are not at least as good, then its not worth spending the time doing it for me.

I get it if you want to do it as a hobby, im sure its cool and i respect people doing things themselves as much as possible, but to suggest that its THE sensible way and buying is only waste of money, well that is just nonsense.

newbplantgrower420 said:

Humic acid is food for microbes right?

So theoretically after flip or beginning of veg. I could pour a healthy dose of microbes one time into my rez and then keep them alive by continuously pouring in humic acid

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all of it is symbolic with the plant. the plant gives the microbes carbs to eat.... That happens without us. Then we feed the microbes with molasses as their main food source but they have more to eat then just that.
To answer your question, yes you can do that. the plant will keep them alive even if you dont feed them. when we feed them , we hope that they multiply and stay happy.
EWC is the best organisms you can get. or even good soil. Its loaded with good bacteria.

Myco is NOT lactic acid bacteria.... so LAB aka myco dont make sense. Mycorrizea is a fungi , not a bacteria. It lives inside the roots of the host and spreads out , causing the roots to spread out too.....if there is plenty of food in the soil then the myco WILL DIE. The plant only needs the myco if its having problems getting to the food in the soil. Bottom line: myco will not help you if your soil is already rich and healthy.

CannaOnerStar said:

I bought bacterex from biotabs like 8 months ago or so. Grew few plants with it and used it many times the recommended dose. I still have about 1/3rd left and it cost about 35 bucks.

I dont think the price is ridiculous. If i need to spend more than hour thinking and doing the work to get the beneficials to easily handled container where they last me at least a year of use(and as easily used as commercial products) and unless the beneficials i make myself are not at least as good, then its not worth spending the time doing it for me.

I get it if you want to do it as a hobby, im sure its cool and i respect people doing things themselves as much as possible, but to suggest that its THE sensible way and buying is only waste of money, well that is just nonsense.

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if your in soil then hes right. its a waste of money. Any healthy soil you make or buy is full of bennies. These bennies are great but they are not hard to make or get. (a cup of EWC will have more live bennies in it then any bottle on the market. sure you'll have to use a lab to see what kind is doing what but thats organics. )

getogrow said:

all of it is symbolic with the plant. the plant gives the microbes carbs to eat.... That happens without us. Then we feed the microbes with molasses as their main food source but they have more to eat then just that.
To answer your question, yes you can do that. the plant will keep them alive even if you dont feed them. when we feed them , we hope that they multiply and stay happy.
EWC is the best organisms you can get. or even good soil. Its loaded with good bacteria.

Myco is NOT lactic acid bacteria.... so LAB aka myco dont make sense. Mycorrizea is a fungi , not a bacteria. It lives inside the roots of the host and spreads out , causing the roots to spread out too.....if there is plenty of food in the soil then the myco WILL DIE. The plant only needs the myco if its having problems getting to the food in the soil. Bottom line: myco will not help you if your soil is already rich and healthy.

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So I use myco in a hydro setting. Theres no way to keep the myco alive? I would have to continuously keep feeding it weekly/biweekly?

newbplantgrower420 said:

So I use myco in a hydro setting. Theres no way to keep the myco alive? I would have to continuously keep feeding it weekly/biweekly?

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im against using it in hydro but that dont mean anything.
The myco cannot survive if there is plenty of food in the medium. Its only purpose is to help the host find food. if the food is abundent then the myco has no reason to keep helping. (it mat not die but it will go dormant or die when its not needed)

If you are trying to keep myco alive then were not on the same page. The plant is all that matters.

getogrow said:

if your in soil then hes right. its a waste of money. Any healthy soil you make or buy is full of bennies. These bennies are great but they are not hard to make or get. (a cup of EWC will have more live bennies in it then any bottle on the market. sure you'll have to use a lab to see what kind is doing what but thats organics. )

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If there would be enough in the soil to begin with, then it would be as pointless to add self made or bought. Self making will likely require so much time, that i dont personally see saving, i see waste of time rather than waste of money and id rather spend that amount of money than that amount of time for nothing.

Therefore your argument is pointless if you jsut say that there are enough of them in soil, so buying is pointless.

However i personally use them in a mix that is mostly coco, perlite etc and very little if any soil. Whether they are pointless in that is a whole another argument not related to spending time vs money.

getogrow said:

im against using it in hydro but that dont mean anything.
The myco cannot survive if there is plenty of food in the medium. Its only purpose is to help the host find food. if the food is abundent then the myco has no reason to keep helping. (it mat not die but it will go dormant or die when its not needed)

If you are trying to keep myco alive then were not on the same page. The plant is all that matters.

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Makes sense. Ill stop using it once I run out of this 2.2lb Mykos bag.

CannaOnerStar said:

If there would be enough in the soil to begin with, then it would be as pointless to add self made or bought. Self making will likely require so much time, that i dont personally see saving, i see waste of time rather than waste of money and id rather spend that amount of money than that amount of time for nothing.

Therefore your argument is pointless if you jsut say that there are enough of them in soil, so buying is pointless.

However i personally use them in a mix that is mostly coco, perlite etc and very little if any soil. Whether they are pointless in that is a whole another argument not related to spending time vs money.

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There are already enough microbes in decent soil that will continue to die of and multiply at the same time. There are countless scientific studies that have shown the rate of reproduction of soil microbes. Many of them were done to dispel the myth that chlorinated/chloramine tap water killed the microbes. The studies all showed that while some microbes did die they rebounded within days and the microbe population suffered no ill effects from tap water.

Now where I'm going with this is that any decent soil will have organic matter in it. That matter is what feeds the microbes in the soil. As they break it down into food for the plant they multiply, die, etc... in a never ending cycle. There is no need to add additional microbes as long as you have decent soil full of organic matter. And as @getogrow stated EWC is full of good stuff and microbes.