Liberal amendment to remove 100 cm plant limit from 4 plant home grow passes #HESA #C45

DIY-HP-LED

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Wow that literally answered nothing. FYI youre preaching to the very well informed choir, no need to tell people how to build a clock when all they want is the time............
You guys know the score, I respect that. I wanna help people organize, if yer outside the law when the culture changes, you might be ok for a bit. If the price is high, but the provincial governments (rcmp, health Canada will help) will go after ya soon as the dust settles. Have a look at what happens to not so big cigarette black marketers, stupid big fine and taxed to death. Health Canada will probably want lot's of documentation if you grow under a prescription, they might wanna know why you're not using the pharmacy and might just make you a rec grower and win in court too. Much more will be known soon and doctors will take charge of the medical end real quick. Your prescription might be up for review. I did not do this, but they ain't stupid either and have figured on this shit. Things are changing.

As for being ego driven and not acting in other's interests, even yours, and other growers and users, prove it. It's simple, I just ask what are your motives and intentions, limited number of choices for you and me. I trained in this shit, nothing else. I would not challenge a marathon runner to a foot race, I don't train and I got not natural talent either. Not better than anybody else, just trained. Any wise person could get me in a heartbeat if I was self centered, not hard at all, but ya gotta be wise and compassionate, ya don't even need to train, most haven't.

If you're self centered you're not happy, only when you can shift attention from internal mental processes, to external stimulus, or others, can you be happy, egotism defeats this process. When we are judgemental, we are not in compassion mode, but trying to make ourselves feel better, often at another's expense, not mine though. Don't even think about it after I deal with it, cause I know who and what I am and check regularly with wise friends and old masters to make sure. Being full of yourself means you've got no empathy and are operating out of fear and greed, makes ya useless to others and even yourself. Living in the present moment means being with your senses, cause they operate in real time. This automatically causes mood and perception of external stimuli to seem more rich and vibrant, but you are aware of your internal emotional states too, training makes this much easier. Our emotions not only motivate us to action, but also color our perspective and affects how we experience the world. In a more natural setting this is more useful than it is in today's world.

Normal healthy folks get pissed too, perfectly natural thing too and one I encourage sharing with others. My reaction when someone calls me an asshole is to smile and say, "Thank you for sharing that with me, it a good thing to know how ya feel, it's the kinda thing I'd like ya to share"! Ya wouldn't want someone out ta get ya for selfish purposes would ya? That might harm others yer trying to help. If no one shows in the medical end of the forum for pain or depression, great, no one needs my help, a good sign too, but not a good thing for the doctors and scientists to notice either. They have ways to actually measure pain objectively and if ya saw the video on the other thread, you'd know that suffering is covered too. As more is known, grow prescriptions will become rare and hard to renew, they will recommend effective cannabinoid treatment and recreational for the rest;)

Things are constantly changing, it is the nature of our existence and you really should pay attention to your experience, it's not my fault! But you soon will see much worse than me hanging around these places, self righteous Joe citizens will be out for your ass. They put kids first too, but are not as skilled, they might prefer a club to a book. They will be eager to organize too, for the fight for their rights and not yours.

Some useful text for the project...
 

gb123

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Take your KIDS and RED WAGON ESLEWHERE please! :)

The Emerys are looking for help..
Maybe you'd be better off helping them
Patients do not need your........ help????!!!! TRUST US ON THAT EH!!!!!! ;)

WE WON in court and can do what we want....and we ALL KNOW IT TOO
and they send morons here to try and say otherwise :lol:

Next! (:
 

gb123

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another bleeding heart? I doubt that much! :weed:

as for "untrained". I agree wholeheartedly you need some learnin and edumacation in the ways of CANNADA ..eh!


Follow those Rec users all the way to court.
We're done with it! :idea:
 

DIY-HP-LED

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I don't make these changes, just trying to adapt the best can. It's illegal now, so most don't wanna step forward for obvious reasons, maybe that's why I'm going legal for a bit. I can go public then, reluctantly. It's an odd combo for most folks, a meditation teacher and pot user all rolled into one, hope someone wants to do a brain scan on me! Pot never interfered with the training and might have even enhanced it! Not just not harmful, but potentially useful in training the brain for anything perhaps. I've quit for many periods of training in my life, sometimes many years though. But I'm honest with others, so what the hell, the pot head preacher, sounds good to me too! Though I generally keep a pretty low local profile, might make for an interesting crowd at the local public teaching practice.

The major concern of most citizens is for the welfare of kids on this issue, the government knows this. These are just speculations and possibilities I'm talking about for the most part. I'm not driving any of it, you know where I stand on small producers, I'm in favor of licenced people doing what they love. They will own the rare and boutique bud market, the higher end quality stuff:

The 4 plant limit will be struck down and it will be 4 plants per adult in the house. Who will check and how? Keep a low profile and make cash outta government stupidity like right now. Though the price might be forced down and the tax on legal stuff might be low, if evidence based, rebates for the elderly might be required too.

People will cash in with small grows and hang around the dispensaries trolling for friends in smaller places and others will do it in larger urban centers. They will lose business like crazy the higher the price, and the provincial governments will go nuts, as will the corp grow ops, dispensaries, etc Might be the feds secret plan! I'm gonna watch it unfold and see what happens, greed is a powerful force and many have a circle of friends acquaintances and work colleagues. You will be allowed to "give away one ounce" and possess such in public. But they can't body search ya, cause it's not a crime. Maybe market forces will do the job on their own.

Medical grows will be revisited, perhaps? If rec growers can have 8 or 12 plants in a home, hard for the government to kill a script for 3 grams (15 Plants)

Fines and taxes for violators will be crazy. Not too much if yer over a few plants though.

Gonna be harder to be medical though, cause doctors and compounding pharmacists are gonna own that end real quick.

Hemp farmers will own the CBD market and they farm by the section and ship CO2 extracted oil by the tanker truck, compete with that. I know a few from working days and no local politician will want anything to do with fucking them guys!

Autoflowers and hikes might be the answer for many, including teens, though my OG Kush does well outside too.

I'm as Canadian as they come bud

Yer not done with court when the basic law of the land is changed, ya start from square one like everybody else, don't make the mistake that ya got it made. Support everybody else in the fight for freedom and you will be free too. In a few years there might not even be medical grows at all, depends on the users and how many are syphoned off by the new law.

Two years from now a 5 gram 25 plant prescription will be rare and a 1 to 3 gram a day won't be required. Most won't renew, those who do might stick out a bit.
 
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DIY-HP-LED

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I want freedom for law abiding citizens and will comply with any reasonable law, until challenged in court and must agree with the ruling. Getting an established reasonable law changed, is gonna be a helluva lot harder than making a good provincial one, that's probably where the focus should be. That's where the corps will focus now, not on the feds, that's done for now.

Recreational sales and production are provincial turf, feds control personal production through the excise act, same as tobacco and booze. Health Canada will move towards the medical model and away from artisanal preparations and might get out of the grow business all together. Courts will view the question differently next time around, if the federal law is reasonable to begin with. New scientific knowledge will be a factor too, as will culture change.
 

CalyxCrusher

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if yer outside the law
See the part up to that says Canadian PATIENTS? Your statement concerns no one here. Didnt read past this part as you seem compelled to "rescue" us from nothing by babbling on and on without a sense of direction in what youre trying to convey. You havent told us a single thing in your posts we haven't already heard. Yet you still feel compelled to educate the already educated..............Seems a bit self serving in terms of ego
 

gb123

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not sure why they "get off" assuming we're black market when we are all legal :lol: since 2001 and going string still today!!!(:

No patient produces shwags or poison. We like clean meds!
Hence why were are talking the LP's to court for selling poison.

Its simple really.:P
 

DIY-HP-LED

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See the part up to that says Canadian PATIENTS? Your statement concerns no one here. Didnt read past this part as you seem compelled to "rescue" us from nothing by babbling on and on without a sense of direction in what youre trying to convey. You havent told us a single thing in your posts we haven't already heard. Yet you still feel compelled to educate the already educated..............Seems a bit self serving in terms of ego
Patients have my full support. Though the ones using perceptions as a cover for a growop will be seen by all as disgusting, I already think that way. I'm a 3 gram a day guy and can get 5 if I wanted, dropping the script. Guilt trips won't work with me, I'm one of the real ones remember! Not some greed driven asshole riding on the backs of the sick and dying. Makes LP's seem righteous in comparison and I've made my views on those clear too.

Don't care a hoot about the opinions of such people, not just my posts revel intentions and motives on this forum, others speak louder.
Frank discussion never bothered the honorable and honest, in my experience. Doesn't bother me either, how bout you?

Time and effort are being wasted here on my part, time to move on. This should be clear enough for even the greed and fear driven
 

gb123

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Patients have my full support. Though the ones using perceptions as a cover for a growop will be seen by all as disgusting, I already think that way. I'm a 3 gram a day guy and can get 5 if I wanted, dropping the script. Guilt trips won't work with me, I'm one of the real ones remember! Not some greed driven asshole riding on the backs of the sick and dying. Makes LP's seem righteous in comparison and I've made my views on those clear too.

Don't care a hoot about the opinions of such people, not just my posts revel intentions and motives on this forum, others speak louder.
Frank discussion never bothered the honorable and honest, in my experience. Doesn't bother me either, how bout you?

Time and effort are being wasted here on my part, time to move on. This should be clear enough for even the greed and fear driven
how much do you figure a cancer patients needs in meds?

This should be Real good! :)
 

DIY-HP-LED

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how much do you figure a cancer patients needs in meds?

This should be Real good! :)
I figure it WILL be between a doctor and patient, not my concern, or yours either. It will increasingly be a medical matter, very quickly. How much do you give away to the sick and dying? How much do you make a month? Does 3 grams a day fit your needs? Once the assholes who ride on the backs of the sick are gone from the picture, I don't see a problem with a script holder producing whatever they need for themselves and perhaps friends and others too. Know about cancer and pot too, a regular personal grow would be all that's required for most, ya can make a lot of oil out of a pound of good bud.

Older folks suffer from cancer the most and they will have a network of free support from peers, sounds like a good plan to me. Wait for more health info, it will be by soon, then we will all see.
 

gb123

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I figure it WILL be between a doctor and patient, not my concern, or yours either. It will increasingly be a medical matter, very quickly. How much do you give away to the sick and dying? How much do you make a month? Does 3 grams a day fit your needs? Once the assholes who ride on the backs of the sick are gone from the picture, I don't see a problem with a script holder producing whatever they need for themselves and perhaps friends and others too. Know about cancer and pot too, a regular personal grow would be all that's required for most, ya can make a lot of oil out of a pound of good bud.

Older folks suffer from cancer the most and they will have a network of free support from peers, sounds like a good plan to me. Wait for more health info, it will be by soon, then we will all see.

hmmmm:-?

not tellin me anything WE don't already know
so
why are you here again?
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Coffee break,
I got the impression that the LP's are the peers of some around here. Shit on the competition stuff. "Approved" pesticide is only for a very large commercial operations, small scale does not require this shit, Labeling should take care of that, don't whine, do, Perfect wedge for a small commercial medical growers to break in with health Canada using logical argument, Hard for them to argue the point and go on about unnecessary restrictions and inspection, either.

See how I'm trying to help here, If you guys know it all, then why am I the only one to suggest it, it's your natural ticket to legally grow medical commercial, along with specialty medical strains, They have to use this shit with monoculture and large scale, it looks like an operating room complete with bunny suits, one aphid or other such insect pest and they are fucked! Small grows don't often have these issues, if the grower has experience,

I'll leave ya with something useful to do, bitching to each other here won't do it, Thinking about what I said and organizing your own plan around such an approach (other centered) might be more useful, Health Canada would sweat over that one fur sure,

Not that bad a guy, but one with ideas and opinions too, complete package, just like most of you...

Back to the grind!;)
 

gb123

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Coffee break,
I got the impression that the LP's are the peers of some around here. Shit on the competition stuff. "Approved" pesticide is only for a very large commercial operations, small scale does not require this shit, Labeling should take care of that, don't whine, do, Perfect wedge for a small commercial medical growers to break in with health Canada using logical argument, Hard for them to argue the point and go on about unnecessary restrictions and inspection, either.

See how I'm trying to help here, If you guys know it all, then why am I the only one to suggest it, it's your natural ticket to legally grow medical commercial, along with specialty medical strains, They have to use this shit with monoculture and large scale, it looks like an operating room complete with bunny suits, one aphid or other such insect pest and they are fucked! Small grows don't often have these issues, if the grower has experience,

I'll leave ya with something useful to do, bitching to each other here won't do it, Thinking about what I said and organizing your own plan around such an approach (other centered) might be more useful, Health Canada would sweat over that one fur sure,

Not that bad a guy, but one with ideas and opinions too, complete package, just like most of you...

Back to the grind!;)
you miss one small detail,,,
no one is here to make money...rather get better..
and not use poison to do it with!

so why is it you're here again? I mean beside s preaching to the choir....and appeasing stinkfinger(:
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Hey, better than the hot water guy who is using big pics or malicious code to screw up folks browsers, sent the moderators, they might figure it out, wonder what would motivate that behavior?

If yer not here to make money great! Then join in when the law changes and go after the crooks who grow medical for profit. Least the LPs got the brains to organize and can even poison folks too. I figure medical user co-ops will put them out of business real quick, much quicker than the recreational market. They don't have to be formal either, but the law won't mind too much and might even change to accommodate such a reasonable and human activity. Those who would promote such a thing won't have an issue with organizing effectively and this federal government will listen to such people.

All of your post histories, would reveal much, just like me. So spend some quality time, or should i say waste it, fear and greed fuel hostile and malicious behavior and not too much else. Logical arguments are responded to here, not somewhere else, I like to write anyway, it's all just practice too, how can one lose with such an attitude.

Makes it easy with the self absorbed, they really do shave off IQ points and those who have a concern for others appear smarter cause they really are. Not arrogance, but evolution, to protect the group from the fearful and greedy, nature made them stupid. We are social creatures and our evolution has determined this facts of life, self centered behaviors are bad for social activities. Humans need social cooperation to survive and it's been like that for a couple of million years. We evolved as a group, not as individuals, but part of something larger and quite wonderful. I don't see much evidence to contradict this point of view around here. When the law changes people will be less fear driven and eventually less greed driven, more like regular Canadians, you'll see more like me...

For most the only chance is to vote tory and hope real hard, those guys would be natural allies, fur sure

Back to work

Note, don't be stupid with browser tricks, Christ it's like dealing with kids!;)
 

gb123

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Lp.s are the crooks in my eyes
As for joining what you feel is a good cause?
I'm Already part of it,!


Still have not said what your motives are.
Sounds like money to me:-?

Pretending it's the others won't help ;)
 

DIY-HP-LED

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you miss one small detail,,,
no one is here to make money...rather get better..
and not use poison to do it with!

so why is it you're here again? I mean beside s preaching to the choir....and appeasing stinkfinger(:
If yer here to get better and are licenced then you would be organized and much more open and not so fear driven, you will know them by their "actions". Point me to the previous discussions about compassion clubs and medical coops, organizations (yer legal) and efforts to go after big LPs. What about the idea of them having to use pesticide because of operational scale? Custom medicinal strains? Growers rights? Breeders rights?

Maybe yer not selling dope, but yer not sounding like a sick person either (physically).;-)

Then I will take you seriously and those who like what you have to say, you have made no logical arguments. Neither did Donald Trump, come to think of it, but his fans were nonetheless enthusiastic.;)

This is too much fun I gotta stop, it's bad for my soul! and bad for me!:fire:

Do what ya want, ya will anyway. So will I. I might be in compliance with the letter of the law and sure as shit, the stated purpose. Medical compassion clubs, nonprofit growers cooperates and patient unions would be my approach and might be. A lot of things will be different soon, it's politics again and not legal for rec users. Medical growers can go public and are the only group that can do so now, when it's really important. Shoppers, etc will be the LP's customers, they will contract with hemp farmers for CBD oil, by the tanker truck. Small growers will hang around the dispensaries, the booze game won't work with pot and the price will drop, one way or another. It's just too easy to produce good bud in quantity, with clones and info supplied to competent people, too much money too.
 
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