Looks like this woman just lost her primary race....

hanimmal

Well-Known Member
I love that you don't get the tea party canidate is really just a republican. It's really cute. That somehow those four or five tea party nominees that consist of a rich politicians over privileged bratty kid, and a couple religious nuts means that the hundred or so (not really sure how many seats are open) other candidates are not republicans. Shit you don't even seem to get the tea party darling was a republican vice presidential canidate, before there was a tea party and somehow she's not a republican!

How is it possible that people don't see they are getting duped into voting republican without realizing it. I mean when I buy a dodge I know that it is a Chrysler. But I guess that's why we have different brand names made by the same company. So when people have a bad experience they can pretend they are buying something else.
 

jeff f

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I love that you don't get the tea party canidate is really just a republican. It's really cute. That somehow those four or five tea party nominees that consist of a rich politicians over privileged bratty kid, and a couple religious nuts means that the hundred or so (not really sure how many seats are open) other candidates are not republicans. Shit you don't even seem to get the tea party darling was a republican vice presidential canidate, before there was a tea party and somehow she's not a republican!

How is it possible that people don't see they are getting duped into voting republican without realizing it. I mean when I buy a dodge I know that it is a Chrysler. But I guess that's why we have different brand names made by the same company. So when people have a bad experience they can pretend they are buying something else.
han, its the conservative part that you and most libs are ignoring. and it surprises me how you guys get all rapped around the axle about republican/democrat. it has little to nothing to do with party and EVERYTHING to do with message. remember reagan democrats? its the same thing.

i am not trying to win the argument, i am telling you the facts. seriously, a couple years ago you guys were all excited that rove was going to jail. now your quoting him? that doesnt set off red flags in your brain? let me say that again, LIBS ARE QUOTING KARL ROVE FOR SUPPORT. does that make any sense to you?

maybe you are right, they would never elect a conservative in NJ or in ted kennedy's seat,or a no name cuban named marco in florida (ENTER GIANT RED FLAGS IN LIBERAL BRAIN, CARRIED IN BY GIANT GAY VIKINGS, WEARING GIANT GAY HELMETS, WITH GIANT GAY HORNS, SINGING GIANT GAY SONGS)

still dont get it?
 

doc111

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I love that you don't get the tea party canidate is really just a republican. It's really cute. That somehow those four or five tea party nominees that consist of a rich politicians over privileged bratty kid, and a couple religious nuts means that the hundred or so (not really sure how many seats are open) other candidates are not republicans. Shit you don't even seem to get the tea party darling was a republican vice presidential canidate, before there was a tea party and somehow she's not a republican!

How is it possible that people don't see they are getting duped into voting republican without realizing it. I mean when I buy a dodge I know that it is a Chrysler. But I guess that's why we have different brand names made by the same company. So when people have a bad experience they can pretend they are buying something else.
Once again, you guys have totally missed the point. Who gives a shit what party she REALLY belongs to? She is a political nobody, representing an upstart political party. Even if she'd run on the republican ticket it is still indicitave of the larger problem the dems face; do I need to spell it out for ya? Obama and company have screwed the pooch. Americans have been duped but not by some obscure Tea Party, er, Republican candidate. The real dupe has come from Pelosi, Reid, Rahm, Joe and Barry (is Barry the 5th Beatle?). You guys go ahead and keep your head buried in the sand. Nothing to see here, keep moving along.................:mrgreen:



 

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doc111

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Now it looks like O'Donnell used to practice witchcraft.:o


You libs liking her yet?:mrgreen:


[video=youtube;5iWRw3oZdg4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iWRw3oZdg4[/video]
 

hanimmal

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Thats fine guys, you are right, it really doesn't matter. These people are going to not be much different than any other politician in office. I just find it funny that you pretend you are on some kind of crusade when not shit is going to happen with them besides maybe a couple bills not getting through.

You think your getting good conservatives right? Basically you seem to me to want to vote in the kentucky school board nutballs. They don't understand shit enough to know if they are conservatives or not.
 

jeff f

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Thats fine guys, you are right, it really doesn't matter. These people are going to not be much different than any other politician in office. I just find it funny that you pretend you are on some kind of crusade when not shit is going to happen with them besides maybe a couple bills not getting through.

You think your getting good conservatives right? Basically you seem to me to want to vote in the kentucky school board nutballs. They don't understand shit enough to know if they are conservatives or not.
why do you have such righteous indignation for voters and school board members in kentucky.

it is precisely that "i know better than you stupid dolts" attitude, your side is getting its ass stomped. what makes you so much smarter than them? why do you think they are dumb? cuz they have an accent? reminds me a lot of "cuz they are black" arguments made decades ago.

but i am sure you wont find any similarities.......
 

abe23

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put this in the column "still doesnt get it".

and, you are quoting ROVE AND THE REPUBLICAN PARTY for back up? i am laughing so hard right now you wouldnt even believe it.

its official guys/gals, abe has lost his mind. maybe you should change your name to abe08. for section 8, cuz youre definitely talking crazy.
I'm going to be charitable and ignore your little attempt at being witty here, jeff. You probably shouldn't quit your day job for a career in comedy, though. Unless you can stick exclusively to audiences of 5-year olds or of the mentally challenged of course...

Tell me what I don't get? I don't like karl rove's politics or smear campaigning, but he does understand elections better than anyone in the republican party. I wouldn't just dismiss what he has to say. If this election cycle is going to be about purging moderates in favor of more dogmatic conservatives (and not just 'fiscal conservatism'), then you might be right. If it's about winning a republican majority in congress, I would say listen to rove...
 

abe23

Active Member
Once again, you guys have totally missed the point. Who gives a shit what party she REALLY belongs to? She is a political nobody, representing an upstart political party. Even if she'd run on the republican ticket it is still indicitave of the larger problem the dems face; do I need to spell it out for ya? Obama and company have screwed the pooch. Americans have been duped but not by some obscure Tea Party, er, Republican candidate. The real dupe has come from Pelosi, Reid, Rahm, Joe and Barry (is Barry the 5th Beatle?). You guys go ahead and keep your head buried in the sand. Nothing to see here, keep moving along.................:mrgreen:


It's not that. Everyone know that there is lots of frustration with the current state of affairs, including the democrats in congress and obama. We're just pointing out that some people are trying to use that frustration to push the same old bible thumping and other bs americans have come to expect from conservatives/republicans. You guys seem to have your head in the sand about that.
 

abe23

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More evidence that much of the 'tea party' is just more of the same. It's too soon to say, but maybe they'll end up being the same political time-bomb for the republican party that sarah palin ended up being...

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September 18, 2010
G.O.P. Insider Fuels Tea Party and Suspicion
By JANIE LORBER and ERIC LIPTON
WASHINGTON — In the days leading up to the Delaware primary, Sal Russo hosted a radio fund-raiser, organized a political rally and pressed the case with reporters that Christine O’Donnell was the Tea Party’s choice for the United States Senate. He also set off what he calls a “money bomb,” pouring at least $250,000 into television and other advertisements promoting the little-known candidate.

With Ms. O’Donnell’s upset victory in the Republican primary on Tuesday, Mr. Russo, the chief strategist behind an upstart group called the Tea Party Express, had racked up another win.

But in becoming one of the movement’s most successful players by helping Tea Party favorites oust incumbents or trounce rivals in four states, Mr. Russo is also fast becoming among the most divisive.

Unlike many of the newly energized outsiders who have embraced Tea Party ideals, Mr. Russo, 63, is a longtime Republican operative who got his start as an aide to Ronald Reagan and later raised money and managed media strategy for a string of other politicians, including former Gov. George E. Pataki of New York. His history and spending practices have prompted some former employees and other Tea Party activists to question whether he is committed to, or merely exploiting, their cause.

Mr. Russo’s group, based in California, is now the single biggest independent supporter of Tea Party candidates, raising more than $5.2 million in donations since January 2009, according to federal records. But at least $3 million of that total has since been paid to Mr. Russo’s political consulting firm or to one controlled by his wife, according to federal records.

While most of that money passed through the firms to cover advertising and other expenses, that kind of self-dealing raises red flags about possible lax oversight and excessive fees for the firms, campaign finance experts said.

“They are the classic top-down organization run by G.O.P. consultants, and it is the antithesis of what the Tea Party movement is about,” said Mark Meckler, a national spokesman for Tea Party Patriots, a coalition of grass-roots organizations that does not endorse or contribute to candidates.


Mr. Russo’s group is also under attack from Republican Party leaders in Delaware, who have accused the Tea Party Express of improperly collaborating with Ms. O’Donnell’s campaign. Federal laws allow political action committees to support candidates independently, but they are not permitted to coordinate their spending with campaigns.

Mr. Russo dismisses all the criticism, saying he and his group have done nothing wrong. The Delaware party leaders are simply poor losers, he says, and his Tea Party critics are envious of his success.

“We are totally dependent on our donors,” Mr. Russo said in an interview. “We can’t do anything unless they support what we do.” He refers to some Tea Party activists who fault him over his political résumé as “nuts and crackpots.”

Friends credit Mr. Russo with knowing how to identify promising candidates and seize on hot issues. But they acknowledge that the Tea Party Express has brought real benefits to him, too.

“Sal Russo is a smart consultant and a great entrepreneur,” said Mark Abernathy, a Republican consultant in California who has known Mr. Russo for more than two decades. “He’s doing well by doing good.”

The rise of the Tea Party Express can be traced to tax-filing day in 2009, when disparate groups around the nation organized what they called “tea parties” to protest government spending.

Within a day, Joe Wierzbicki, a senior associate at Mr. Russo’s firm, Russo Marsh & Associates in Sacramento, sketched out a proposal to latch onto the nascent Tea Party movement, according to internal e-mails provided to The New York Times. He hoped to breathe life into the firm’s faltering political action committee, known then as Our Country Deserves Better. Donations to the committee, established during the 2008 presidential campaign in an effort to frustrate the ambitions of Barack Obama, had dropped significantly.

“Here is the plan I’ve been cooking up in my head,” Mr. Wierzbicki wrote in an e-mail to Mr. Russo. “About how we really make a big impact with the 2010 elections coming up, on the heels of the successful Tea Party push on April 15, and my desire to give a boost to our PAC and position us as a growing force/leading force.”

The plan called for a two-week road trip with an “awesome looking” luxury tour bus that would make stops in dozens of cities represented by members of Congress deemed big spenders, and therefore worthy of ouster, including two Democratic senators, Harry Reid of Nevada, the majority leader, and Christopher J. Dodd of Connecticut, who decided to retire this year amid faltering poll numbers.

Mr. Russo has long been a fiscal and social conservative (he rebelled against his Democratic upbringing by volunteering as a college student for Barry Goldwater’s presidential campaign).

In explaining the origins of the Tea Party Express, he said in the interview: “There were millions of people frustrated and angry at the country and the direction Barack Obama and Democrats were taking us. They were at home throwing their slippers at the TV news and mumbling to their spouse. If they got off the couch and engaged in political process, they could make a difference.”

Since last July, the Tea Party Express has made three bus tours around the country. And its fund-raising — much of it coming from donors contributing $20 to $50 — has proved remarkably successful, equipping Mr. Russo with a hefty war chest. As in Delaware, the group has moved into states and paid for media blitzes for favored candidates in the final weeks before voting.

During this election cycle, the Tea Party Express has spent nearly $1 million in Nevada alone — $547,000 to support Sharron Angle, the Republican Senate candidate, and $385,000 in opposing Senator Harry Reid, the Democratic leader. In Massachusetts, the group spent nearly $350,000 to back Scott Brown, now the state’s Republican senator.

The group’s reliance on Mr. Russo’s consulting firm, however, has drawn criticism from Tea Party activists and others.

Political action committees must spend money to make money, typically hiring staff members from the organizers who created the group. But it is less common for them to funnel most of their outside spending through a vendor controlled by a committee executive, as Mr. Russo has done.

Such a practice, while legal, can create a question about whether the committee — and its donors — are getting a fair price for goods and services, said Brad Smith, a former Republican appointee to the Federal Election Commission and now a professor at the Capital University Law School in Columbus, Ohio.

Mr. Russo estimated that Russo & Marsh, and his wife’s company, King Media Group, had been paid about $250,000 a year for their work with the Tea Party cause.

An analysis of Federal Election Commission records by The Times puts the total amount paid — for commissions, services and wages to executives and staff members — at nearly $700,000 in the last 20 months, or about 13 percent of the $5.2 million the committee has spent. (By comparison, media buyers for candidates’ campaigns typically take a 6 percent to 15 percent commission, according to one consultant.)

But the campaign finance records for the Tea Party Express also showed payments totaling more than $10,000 for stays at casino hotels, as well as bills for meals at expensive restaurants near Mr. Russo’s offices, including nearly $5,000 at Chops Steak House, which former staff members said the Tea Party Express frequented after work.

“I was kind of shocked,” said Kelly Eustis, who served as political director at the Tea Party Express until leaving last fall. “It kind of turned me off.”

Mr. Russo disputes that there was any lavish spending. “There have been a lot of cheap shots taken,” he said. “This has not been a profitable activity for us. We have plowed every penny back into this thing.”

He seems unfazed by the Federal Election Commission complaint made by Republican Party leaders in Delaware. Tom Ross, the state Republican Party chairman, charged that Mr. Russo and his team had improperly arranged for Ms. O’Donnell to speak during at least two Tea Party events in the week before the election, held closed-door meetings with Ms. O’Donnell and solicited donations to turn over to her campaign.

“Silly, silly, silliness,” Mr. Russo said dismissively.

Now, Mr. Russo is charging ahead, making plans for a fourth bus tour and gearing up for the general election fight in Alaska, Delaware, Kentucky and Nevada, among other states.

“What’s success for the Tea Party Express? I would say we’ve already achieved it,” Mr. Russo said. “Because today you can’t find a candidate running anywhere in America — Republican or Democrat — that doesn’t sound like they belong to the Tea Party movement.”

Derek Willis contributed reporting, and Kitty Bennett contributed research.



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NoDrama

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The Tea Party was pretty much co-opted by the republicans and that is when I lost interest. There is no difference between Dems and Repubs, they are both for big government and big spending.
 

doc111

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It's not that. Everyone know that there is lots of frustration with the current state of affairs, including the democrats in congress and obama. We're just pointing out that some people are trying to use that frustration to push the same old bible thumping and other bs americans have come to expect from conservatives/republicans. You guys seem to have your head in the sand about that.
Today's friendly reminder: I'm not one of "You guys". I am not a member of any political party and have never been a republican. I've voted republican about as often as I've voted libertarian. You'd be surprised to find out that I've voted for more democrats than repub and libertarian combined! I'm under no illusion that the tea party will probably become just like the GOP and dems. Unfortunately, if the tea party really takes off, it will attract some career politicians who will be rubbing their greedy mits together at the thought of the exploitation about to ensue. Political parties and politicians are ultimately all the same creature IMO. Why is that? Because politicians are all pretty much the same at the end of the day. Just my $.02.:blsmoke:

The points I wanted to make were A, Obama and company's policies are failing miserably! And B, the Tea Party is like the proverbial canary in a coal mine. Ignore it at your own peril!:fire:
 

abe23

Active Member
Today's friendly reminder: I'm not one of "You guys". I am not a member of any political party and have never been a republican. I've voted republican about as often as I've voted libertarian. You'd be surprised to find out that I've voted for more democrats than repub and libertarian combined! I'm under no illusion that the tea party will probably become just like the GOP and dems. Unfortunately, if the tea party really takes off, it will attract some career politicians who will be rubbing their greedy mits together at the thought of the exploitation about to ensue. Political parties and politicians are ultimately all the same creature IMO. Why is that? Because politicians are all pretty much the same at the end of the day. Just my $.02.:blsmoke:

The points I wanted to make were A, Obama and company's policies are failing miserably! And B, the Tea Party is like the proverbial canary in a coal mine. Ignore it at your own peril!:fire:
Point taken. I apologize for lumping you in with the disgruntled republican rabble...

Point A can be debated....and we have. I'm not blown away by what the dems have been doing in office either, but I do think we are moving in the right direction and slowly digging us out of the hole we were in when obama inherited the presidency. Nobody thought it would happen in two years. Also, given our two party system and the alternatives being proposed by the other party, the dems win by default/disqualification.

As for Point B, I might be inclined to agree if it weren't for the fact that the tea party started before obama was even inaugurated...
 

doc111

Well-Known Member
Point taken. I apologize for lumping you in with the disgruntled republican rabble...

Point A can be debated....and we have. I'm not blown away by what the dems have been doing in office either, but I do think we are moving in the right direction and slowly digging us out of the hole we were in when obama inherited the presidency. Nobody thought it would happen in two years. Also, given our two party system and the alternatives being proposed by the other party, the dems win by default/disqualification.

As for Point B, I might be inclined to agree if it weren't for the fact that the tea party started before obama was even inaugurated...
I don't consider a jobless recovery moving in the right direction. A growing numer of economists fear we are headed for a double dip recession. Can we afford another trillion or so dollars in stimulus? Without the jobs or govt. propping up the economy there is only one possible outcome. And govt. can't prop up the economy forever. Look, I don't entirely blame Obama or the dems. The republicans got the ball rolling but we are 2 years in and Obama still points the finger at Bush and co. It's juvenile and tells me pretty much all I need to know about his character. A president should be above the bashing or even subtle finger pointing! What happened to "The Buck Stops Here"? He is now responsible. I'm tired of the blame game because it's counterproductive and instead of campaigning for his colleagues going into the midterms he should be more focused on fixing this mess IMO. I don't know what that consists of at this point. Maybe actually taking a look at what got us into this mess and fixing that would be a good place to start. Credit reform was a start but not nearly enough IMO.:(
 

hanimmal

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why do you have such righteous indignation for voters and school board members in kentucky.

it is precisely that "i know better than you stupid dolts" attitude, your side is getting its ass stomped. what makes you so much smarter than them? why do you think they are dumb? cuz they have an accent? reminds me a lot of "cuz they are black" arguments made decades ago.
Really? The Kentucky school board are the dopes that decided they needed to Jesus up their science classes with some good ole fashion creationism.



I don't consider a jobless recovery moving in the right direction.
. If nothing else the bleeding has stopped so at least can't we say we are not sliding in the wrong direction?

The problem I feel is that our workforce really is not prepared to work in the types of jobs that we need. Basically if we could move the 5% or so into college programs in tech fields, math, sciences, as well as the more manual fields like hvac, it would take a few years but they would fill the need for employees.

We need to shift our skill sets upwards, and not think that a high school degree is all that's needed anymore for a good living. All this is reflected in the Unemployment numbers, 10+ for non college degree workers and under 5% for four year degrees and up.

A growing numer of economists fear we are headed for a double dip recession. Can we afford another trillion or so dollars in stimulus?
Most of this forecasting is because they think the political will for government spending is no longer there. Without that artificial propping up of the economy it's harder because less money is going to businesses, and less circulation of that money.


You have a point about Obama still pointing to bushes term, but I would think it would be hard to really not ever have anything in context of time when answering the questions that are really difficult to answer in the 30 second clips they ever play on the news. All the politicians talk in soundbites at this point. The best one I heard about this though was: it's like having an eight hour party and bitching because the maid has been cleaning up after the party for the last two hours.
 

redivider

Well-Known Member
If nothing else the bleeding has stopped so at least can't we say we are not sliding in the wrong direction?

The problem I feel is that our workforce really is not prepared to work in the types of jobs that we need. Basically if we could move the 5% or so into college programs in tech fields, math, sciences, as well as the more manual fields like hvac, it would take a few years but they would fill the need for employees.

We need to shift our skill sets upwards, and not think that a high school degree is all that's needed anymore for a good living. All this is reflected in the Unemployment numbers, 10+ for non college degree workers and under 5% for four year degrees and up.
why is this mentality so rampant? high school education is not enough. you have to go to college.... i'm a firm believer that a bachelor's degree is overrated (and I have one).

it's possible to change our highschool curriculums to include clases that prepare students for entrly level experience in advanced fields, and the rest of the learning can occur on the job.

the college institution, ivory tower, this 'degree' means i'm smarter than you system fights with every bit of it's soul to make sure that the SAT is the most important test you take while in highschool. it sets extremely high english and math standards, designing confusing and overwhelming questions that are supposed to screen the pack of candidates. but kids could spend the time they spend cramming for the SAT's to learn about things that might actually help them in the future.

when the US needed a lot of people to power it's growing industrial infrastructure, highschools began teaching shop, metal working, and automotive repair classes. 18yr old kids could get out of school and make a decent living with skills learned in high school.

now the US needs to feed it's job openings with qualified candidates. let's start in school.
 

hanimmal

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The type of degree matters too. I am not a big fan of our current school system, but it does a great job in getting people that graduate a sound foundation generally. The test emphasis I think is garbage, but until some massive changes are made to the teachers unions it won't happen

I am game for high schools to develop better and more industry favoring classes for their degree, but at this point they don't, which means that college is the only real way to know that they have the knowledge base. With things like computer programming, finance, pharmacy, doctors, engineers, chemists, geologist, on and on, to hire people in these fields you need to make sure that the people you are hiring can be capable of doing the work you need with minimal training.

The thought that you can make a decent living is valid, there are sales jobs, middle managerial duties, construction, pretty much all the things that anyone can compete for. Meaning almost no job security long term, and the least likely to build new industries and companies that we need to keep improving our economy. And the first to be lost due to tech advances and foreign competition.

I really do think we need to design a completely new curriculum for teaching people though. But I don't think our teachers will be able to make the jump to what is needed and that's a serious problem too. We are about 40 years behind the curve in updating our schools.
 
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