Making a living as a caregiver

Figong

Figong

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LZ, re: JTR - what was wrong with the strain that did not work so well given that the woman was a heart patient? Was the guy lacing it with something? That's a pretty stable strain and I can't think of 1 side effect/issue that could cause a major issue unless she got the rare paranoia. Not arguing with you, just trying to figure out what's specific to JTR that I've not read about in journals is all.
 
Dr. Bob

Dr. Bob

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somepotname said:
Is it not possible to offer and honest service to your patients while still turning a profit. Can't a caregiver supply their five patients with the meds they want for a fair market price even if doing so means that caregiver is able to support themselves and their family. Why does it have to be one or the other. Can't they do both. There is room for varying sizes of grows under the law. I don't see any problem with a caregiver who is able to grow seventy-two plants and in doing so is able to support their family. I don't even see any problem with a caregiver who wants to charge six hundred an ounce. Patients or there caretakers can choose the caregiver that fits what they're looking for.

Do I think there are caregivers that knowingly try to take advantage of patients yes. Are there caregivers who try to pass B grade buds for AAA grade yes. Is any caregiver who is able to support there family operating within the law doing either of those two things, not necessarily.
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The problem caregivers run in to is two fold. First, it isn't market value, it is compensation for cost. Market value is the going rate on the illegal market or 'the most you can get people to pay'. Compensation for cost is the electricity, grow equipment, portion of house rent use by the grow room, and in most cases reasonable labor. There is always the chance that the next trick will be to require caregivers to justify the cost with bookkeeping. If you are charging 20 a gram and all you can document is that it cost you 4 to grow, I can see that as being viewed as a violation of the act

Second, how much can you grow. 5 patients, 1 oz a month plus you is 18 oz every three months. That means you can plant enough to have what, 30 oz every three months? You can justify needing 18 and having 30, but can you justify needing 18 and having 80? So where is the rest going? Again, could be viewed as a violation of the Act.

This is not the last word, I am not aware of cases involving this issue yet. But it is something to file away and be aware of for safety's sake.

I tend to agree it is going to be hard to follow the rules and make your sole income from caring for 5 patients. Unless you have patients that require very large amounts and can pay for them. But you guys are the experts on this, not me.

Dr. Bob
 
needlesnpins

needlesnpins

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You know that old guy on tv commercials thats always somewhere in africa with some kid who weighs 20 pounds because they are starving? He makes 250k+ a year and the company he works for is a non profit. Administrative costs...

The law says you can get compensation. To me compensation equates to electricity, my car (to drive to and from my grow), the gas that goes in that car, nutrients, rent, natural gas bill, water, replacing equipment, time spent trimming....and god forbid compensating myself for the hours i spend working on it instead of a real job. Add all that up and i think 200 a zip is pretty fair considering that person just has to make a phone call.
 
LadyZandra

LadyZandra

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Jack the ripper has the possible side effect in some people of a racing heart- even paranoia... not good for anyone with High BP, anxiety, or a heart condition!

Direct from the breeder:
* Sativa/Indica: 80/20
* Hybrid: Pluton X Purple Haze X Lambsbread X NL X Jack Herer X Romulan X Cindy99BCGA
* High type: Intense, trippy, visual, phase shifting, increased heart rate, heavy crash increased appetite, pain relief, paranoia
* Lemon mango pine hash / Taste like lemon hash
* 100% Full melt extreme potency

And Yes- you can be a compassionate caregiver (if you have the knowledge as well as the growing ability) and still make a profit-- IF you live where that is possible! There are areas where there aren't a lot of Patients willing to "come out of the closet" or where the market price is extremely low.. there are variables such as the price of electricity, nutrients (local or do you have to pay double to have them shipped?) etc... It is POSSIBLE in most areas, but not always for everyone who wants to/is able to - everywhere.
 
Figong

Figong

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LadyZandra said:
Jack the ripper has the possible side effect in some people of a racing heart- even paranoia... not good for anyone with High BP, anxiety, or a heart condition!

Direct from the breeder:
* Sativa/Indica: 80/20
* Hybrid: Pluton X Purple Haze X Lambsbread X NL X Jack Herer X Romulan X Cindy99BCGA
* High type: Intense, trippy, visual, phase shifting, increased heart rate, heavy crash increased appetite, pain relief, paranoia
* Lemon mango pine hash / Taste like lemon hash
* 100% Full melt extreme potency
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For some reason I was thinking heavy indica.. yeah, anything sativa dom isn't at all advised for heart patients - agreed.
 
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somepotname

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Dr. Bob said:
The problem caregivers run in to is two fold. First, it isn't market value, it is compensation for cost. Market value is the going rate on the illegal market or 'the most you can get people to pay'. Compensation for cost is the electricity, grow equipment, portion of house rent use by the grow room, and in most cases reasonable labor. There is always the chance that the next trick will be to require caregivers to justify the cost with bookkeeping. If you are charging 20 a gram and all you can document is that it cost you 4 to grow, I can see that as being viewed as a violation of the act

Second, how much can you grow. 5 patients, 1 oz a month plus you is 18 oz every three months. That means you can plant enough to have what, 30 oz every three months? You can justify needing 18 and having 30, but can you justify needing 18 and having 80? So where is the rest going? Again, could be viewed as a violation of the Act.

This is not the last word, I am not aware of cases involving this issue yet. But it is something to file away and be aware of for safety's sake.

I tend to agree it is going to be hard to follow the rules and make your sole income from caring for 5 patients. Unless you have patients that require very large amounts and can pay for them. But you guys are the experts on this, not me.

Dr. Bob
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All good points. I definitely wouldn't recommend anyone violate the MMMA.
 
stumpjumper

stumpjumper

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You can't place a value on my time any more than you can claim that a baseball player isn't worth the million a year he is making.. If my time producing top grade meds isn't worth $80 an hour lets see you prove it.
 
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Vincent VonBlown

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People will pay different prices for the same product, from the same source sometimes.

It's always wholesale, but some that can't afford it, get it for free, sort of makes it fair in my mind.
 
ProfessorPotSnob

ProfessorPotSnob

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Thousands of people attempted to get rich while caregiving too only fail miserably and hundreds of Caregivers are living the dream and yes they support themselves with this trade and service .. I am one myself and I am not going to grow the finest medical marijuana possible for free for everyone .. Its a pipe dream and a reality all in one cloud of smoke to be honest ..

I can be filthy rich if I choose but nope I am not growing greed , I am growing dank weed for my patients and they are supporting my endeavors while they enjoy there share of the harvests .. Its a win win situation for everyone involved here but as noted I dont grow greed ..

Go big and go to prison sooner or later , lets face it we all take risks in this field . Some more than others and the more risks we take the higher the odds in the end .. Hence the greedy commercial growers that flocked and assembled upon this act .. These people for the most part have fucked the system and continue to corrode what was intended by the law and act .. Sooner or later those who grow greed will face something even more greedy , The Feds are the greed mongers to fear when one steps up to the level of making to much money !
 
Huel Perkins

Huel Perkins

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LadyZandra said:
Jack the ripper has the possible side effect in some people of a racing heart- even paranoia... not good for anyone with High BP, anxiety, or a heart condition!

Direct from the breeder:
* Sativa/Indica: 80/20
* Hybrid: Pluton X Purple Haze X Lambsbread X NL X Jack Herer X Romulan X Cindy99BCGA
* High type: Intense, trippy, visual, phase shifting, increased heart rate, heavy crash increased appetite, pain relief, paranoia
* Lemon mango pine hash / Taste like lemon hash
* 100% Full melt extreme potency

And Yes- you can be a compassionate caregiver (if you have the knowledge as well as the growing ability) and still make a profit-- IF you live where that is possible! There are areas where there aren't a lot of Patients willing to "come out of the closet" or where the market price is extremely low.. there are variables such as the price of electricity, nutrients (local or do you have to pay double to have them shipped?) etc... It is POSSIBLE in most areas, but not always for everyone who wants to/is able to - everywhere.
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JTR is one of the few strains that has potential to produce significant levels of THCV. THCV is responsible for the racing heart and trippy effects but it also has great medical value as well. I have read studies that say it can actually regulate people's blood sugar and help out people with diabetes.

I spent some time talking with the Iron Labs guys over the weekend, we will be special testing my JTR for THCV after harvest.
 
Dr. Bob

Dr. Bob

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Well let's look at you BT. You brag about how much money you make on a daily basis from patients. Far more, or so you say, than I make from my every other year certifications. Let's just look at some numbers. For you to clear $30,000 a year from your 'business' that means each of your 5 patients must pay you an average of $500 a month above what you actually have to spend to grow your meds. $500 PER PATIENT, per month. A cert cost $125-150 every 2 years. So who is really raping the patients?

Sorry you don't like the patient safety points I make. Sorry your dispensary is getting shut down. Sorry you are going to have to find another job. But I didn't make the ruling. I didn't write the law. I don't abuse the law for my own profit as you do.

So I would say the people that put the act at risk the most are the anti-standard cowboys of the community, like you. Your type will destroy the act faster than Schuette will.

Dr. Bob
 
Corso312

Corso312

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I disagree about the going to prison thing potsnob, I know 30 guys who have made a nice living from growing for the last 20 years, never seen the inside if a cell.
 
ProfessorPotSnob

ProfessorPotSnob

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Corso312 said:
I disagree about the going to prison thing potsnob, I know 30 guys who have made a nice living from growing for the last 20 years, never seen the inside if a cell.
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Of course there are those who know the ins and outs while escaping the wrath at that level , but those people are rare as the statistics for prisoners will shed light upon this subject .. I too know some people who have ran larger operations and in the long run most were caught in the end due to other people and human nature ... Michigan has a massive drug task force with a massive record for taking down grows legal or not

I refuse to roll the dice as I have much to loose , but to each there own as often people have nothing to loose .. My father was one , he played for 36 years before the feds took his empire and crushed him like a bug .. lol
 
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bloodytrichomes

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Dr. Bob said:
Well let's look at you BT. You brag about how much money you make on a daily basis from patients. Far more, or so you say, than I make from my every other year certifications. Let's just look at some numbers. For you to clear $30,000 a year from your 'business' that means each of your 5 patients must pay you an average of $500 a month above what you actually have to spend to grow your meds. $500 PER PATIENT, per month. A cert cost $125-150 every 2 years. So who is really raping the patients?

Sorry you don't like the patient safety points I make. Sorry your dispensary is getting shut down. Sorry you are going to have to find another job. But I didn't make the ruling. I didn't write the law. I don't abuse the law for my own profit as you do.

So I would say the people that put the act at risk the most are the anti-standard cowboys of the community, like you. Your type will destroy the act faster than Schuette will.

Dr. Bob
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how much did you ink pen cost btw what dispensary bob who am i?? still looking for your answer
 
ProfessorPotSnob

ProfessorPotSnob

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Huel Perkins said:
JTR is one of the few strains that has potential to produce significant levels of THCV. THCV is responsible for the racing heart and trippy effects but it also has great medical value as well. I have read studies that say it can actually regulate people's blood sugar and help out people with diabetes.

I spent some time talking with the Iron Labs guys over the weekend, we will be special testing my JTR for THCV after harvest.
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I love Jacks Cleaner F1 and her offspring , as it is a very medicinal Sativa dom in the end regardless of pollen used on her .. I would not give her to somebody with heart issues or serious anxiety as well for she is very heady and high strung .. I tend to smoke JC and her offspring more than anything else as this strain has some serious nerve relaxing effects due to her Analgesic qualities .. Working on a project right know knows as The Cleaner Bubba hahahha , wont be long before its finished !
 
ProfessorPotSnob

ProfessorPotSnob

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Corso312 said:
I disagree about the going to prison thing potsnob, I know 30 guys who have made a nice living from growing for the last 20 years, never seen the inside if a cell.
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And to clarify , a nice living can be obtained from a spare room grow and this is far from commercial growing ... I am talking about commercial caregivers using the cards to capitalize with massive grows ! These guys are making more than a nice living they are pulling in hundreds of thousands of dollars with each crop !
 
Bigtacofarmer

Bigtacofarmer

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Commercial bullshit weed! Only a little better then what I used to buy bricks of for 400.

ProfessorPotSnob said:
And to clarify , a nice living can be obtained from a spare room grow and this is far from commercial growing ... I am talking about commercial caregivers using the cards to capitalize with massive grows ! These guys are making more than a nice living they are pulling in hundreds of thousands of dollars with each crop !
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Dr. Bob

Dr. Bob

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bloodytrichomes said:
how much did you ink pen cost btw what dispensary bob who am i?? still looking for your answer
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What does the cost of my ink pen have to do with anything? Unless of course that is all you consider certifications to be, which goes with my point that standards, medical education and evaluation, etc mean nothing to someone that looks at a certification to be no more than a signature as you are used you over at the smoke shop. Where is your doc now?

Dr. Bob
 
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