Manganese Deficiency?

smokeybeard said:

So tomorrow will be week 5 of my flip into 12/12 and I am having trouble diagnosing what is wrong with my 2 strawberry cough clones.

Checking PH Usually around 5.8-6.4.
Soil is FFoF with a bit of their basic planting soil throw in (3:1 FFoF to Top Soil)
Using Fox Farms Tiger bloom, bembe, and big bloom with epsom salt and some molasses.
I usually feed 1 day, wait 2, water 1, wait 2, feed 1. ETC,
Room temps get up to about 80 but stay closer to 77-78 throughout the day with RH around 45-50%
I upped the Epsom salt on my last feed and the first day, they looked very happy, looked like the top leaves on the bud sites were getting darker and the next it appeared worse.

Here are some photos of the issues I am having.
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Let us read again what you wrote.. this part particularely...

Using Fox Farms Tiger bloom, bembe, and big bloom with epsom salt and some molasses.
I usually feed 1 day, wait 2, water 1, wait 2, feed 1. ETC,

then you say...

I upped the Epsom salt on my last feed and the first day, they looked very happy, looked like the top leaves on the bud sites were getting darker and the next it appeared worse.

what does this tell you?

Nutrients take more than one day to show results.

You fucked them up with all that you fed.

Do what Satori said in his first post.

I have been doing what Satori said. I think I will just water them for now. I have some other ones of a different strain (bagseed) that are looking just fine and love them feedings that I have been giving them.

Yes, not necessary to use Epsom over n over.. smart move to give them break. Gives them time to process what you gave them. Thinkgs happen slower in soil.

smokeybeard said:

I have been doing what Satori said. I think I will just water them for now. I have some other ones of a different strain (bagseed) that are looking just fine and love them feedings that I have been giving them.

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you really should balance your fertilizer

youll be much happier...

when you get tired of that tiger bloom

pick you up some floranova grow and bloom

"You fucked them up with all that you fed."

My point exactly.

sure sure, that's what they all say

Write me an essay, please

BobCajun said:

Kiss it, it meaning my butthole.

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You quoted the wrong post. Good job.

Satori, people on round tables don't waste their time in a forum like this. The panels tend to be experts who come together on round tables to share what they know. They are people you want to listen to. This forum is nothing like a round table.

im4satori said:

you really should balance your fertilizer

youll be much happier...

when you get tired of that tiger bloom

pick you up some floranova grow and bloom

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Will do, I am looking into going organic and waiting for my soil to cook right now.

This is my first time really on my own. (I did spend a season out in the hills of northern California of light dep and full season out doors.) Still learning for sure.

smokeybeard said:

Will do, I am looking into going organic and waiting for my soil to cook right now.

This is my first time really on my own. (I did spend a season out in the hills of northern California of light dep and full season out doors.) Still learning for sure.

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ya im also just learning organics

so you've amanded your soil
whats your recipe?

I just finished my first cook and my plants are in it and doing well

if I had to do it again, I would have given myself more time before using the diy soil to allow for a longer cook and i would have double checked my ph prior to transplant
my ph ended up on the low end ph6 but its on the rise

otherwise its looking great ... aside form the little extra i added to try and raise the ph its been water only from the start and theyre big girls now

had i had my ph closer to start it would have been flawless up to now

i think i over did it with the hydrolyzed fish and it made my soil temp hot but its passing now

might be you wont need much in the way of (inorganic) fertilizer going the route you are
but if you do end up adding some here or there (until you get your soil dialed in )the floragrow/bloom is well balanced and a safe dose of 6 to 8mls per gallon is good

I am actually using http://rollitup.org/t/johneis-organic-soil-mix-and-compost-teas.943650/ mix. I am looking forward to it.

There's nothing to learn about organics. You just mix a good soil up, let it sit for several months, and stick your plants in it. That's been my point all along. This method is how nature grows plants and it's the use container fertilizers that keeps screwing things up.

What you say makes no sense.

Johnei, don't you use your own soil mix? How can that be and yet I make no sense? What don't you understand?

don't worry satori, if you use organic granular ferts your life will become much simpler.

polishpollack said:

You quoted the wrong post. Good job.

Satori, people on round tables don't waste their time in a forum like this. The panels tend to be experts who come together on round tables to share what they know. They are people you want to listen to. This forum is nothing like a round table.

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Shit! Oh well, still kiss my butthole, and I quoted the right one this time.

polishpollack said:

There's nothing to learn about organics. You just mix a good soil up, let it sit for several months, and stick your plants in it. That's been my point all along. This method is how nature grows plants and it's the use container fertilizers that keeps screwing things up.

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Oh that is fucking brilliant that is. Why hasn't anybody ever figured that out before?