mars hydro

oscarg8357 said:

Right on! My $50 mars is doing just fine vegging 5 plants.

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They're fantastic veg lights.

But once you hit flower, that 300 will not be able to handle 5 plants.

You can flower ONE plant under a mars300. It's only got 1.5 cubic feet of "good" coverage, anything beyond that will result in a ton of stretch and airy buds and popcorn nugs.

GrumpyToker said:

Oh man they must be paying you to say that ........ Lame

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No, im employed else where! I am only saying that mars isnt as trashy as everyone else is saying. I believe the ones knocking it just arent skilled enough to use leds! I also use hps and mh for my good stuff and yes hps and mh are far more superior lights but with enough skill and know how leds seem to be working great for vegging, and i say that because this is my first run using leds and i guess my 20 years experience seems to be paying off because my mars is working just fine for vegging. I live in the desert and have had no heating issues with the led. So if mars is following this thread please make check payable to grumpy toker. Thank you

LED manufacturing laws and QA was changed for china in 2015.

Chinese LED manufacturers are held to higher quality standards now. Most of the people in this forum who bash on mars were early adopters and ran old models. The older models were prone to diodes burning out within hours and what not. They were also low wattage diodes.

The newer epistars are much more reliable now. But still, the main issue with low-watt epistar diodes for growing is, you need ALOT of them. Which jacks up the cost very quickly.

A mars300 in a 18x18 or 2x2 growing 1 plant = acceptable

A mars 900 1200 1600 in a 3x3 4x4 5x5 growing multiple plants = NOT acceptable.

I have just received my new Mars hidro 96x5w reflector.That is good light,quality product all the way.I had old style mars 300w and it was good for single plant but this new lights are killer.Mars hidro led light in my opinion are just as good as any other expensive lights like Kind or any other.Just my opinion,but to give 1500$ for a led is crazy,when you can get quality product for lot less.

I suppose maybe we are just idiots. You could easily DIY a superior LED in every possible way for less money than a MARs light, but im an idiot for suggesting it. Its not like you have a functional eye and a functional hand to do it right? If its about efficiency, you can easily blow MARS away watt for watt, especially with a DIY LED, HPS, or a DE HPS. If its about price, you can blow MARs away $ for $ especially with a DIY LED, HPS, or a DE HPS. If its about justifying your actions and calling everyone else that has a brain an idiot your free to do it, this is the internet after all. Sure if your ENTIRE budget for lights is $50 you can use the MARs light as an excuse. But I would bet you could cancel your internet for a month or two and build a nice fixture for yourself and not be the idiot anymore.

My "idiot" DIY panel is currently clearing out our old soil moms (8 of them) to make way for an additional pots for a hydro expansion. They grew up under 600W of T5, and have been there in 3 gallon pots - most of them over a year - months before I even picked them up. Meanwhile an "idiot" DE HPS is making quick work of the 15 hydro pots next to it. I had more plants than planned so im having to spread the light a little thin - but we should easily be pulling over 1.2 GPW even in this less than ideal, no maintenance grow. I top off my barrels every day (3 minutes with a hose), check the clones (5 minutes) adjust PH (1 minute, i'm anal about a 5.8 PH and we see a .1 to .2 rise daily) and then once every 5 weeks we dump barrels and refill (30 minutes). Could I pull over the 1.2 GPW? Sure easily, but my time is valuable because im a well paid professional (an engineer even) - It doesn't make financial sense for me to do it. Im not going to spend time pulling off leaves and clipping branches. Im not even going to trim these - why trim it myself when I can just got to work for a couple hours and pay people to trim this all for me in an hour.These guys just woke up to day 10 in flower, the DE is on a mover just to cover the space until we get the soil plants out of the way and can cram in another DE to distribute the light. That bamboo is 4ft. Please explain how a MARS light cold ever be beneficial to this room? Are you going to be pulling 1.2 GPW? How many hours is that going to take you? How many grams are you going to pull and whats your total KWH reading for your grow? Your light able to support plants that have a 2ft difference in canopy height without issue right? I know its a fools errand to try to bring you to reality, I don't know why I waste my time. Maybe I am the idiot.

I didnt give any words to you or anyone,im just saying that to give small fortune for led light i ridiculus.
For that money you can make it your self.
I see that some people put nasty revieus on MARS HIDRO and i can not see way.They do the job.
And also i didnt put any names like you did and i also didnt say nothing about Diy panels that people building at home because i now they work great.In the end i dont se how did i offend you in any way,if i did im sorry

Velimir said:

I didnt give any words to you or anyone,im just saying that to give small fortune for led light i ridiculus.
For that money you can make it your self.
I see that some people put nasty revieus on MARS HIDRO and i can not see way.They do the job.
And also i didnt put any names like you did and i also didnt say nothing about Diy panels that people building at home because i now they work great.In the end i dont se how did i offend you in any way,if i did im sorry

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you didn't offend me guy. It's the whole mars hydro possie that gets up in arms whenever they are presented with logic or facts. They are just gimmicks - people imagine they are growing some amazing $1,000 plant with a $70 light. It's like the same outrageous claims Mars makes on their website (it's lies). Somebody who doesn't know better falls for the lies and they get screwed. MARs knows their claims are false, they even had people from the forums unequivocally call them out and when they realized were not all sheeple in this subforum they ran off. If they manufactured their lights in a western country with enforced advertising laws they would be sued into bankruptcy.

I'm sorry the manufacturer is dishonest to good people, but it turns good people into bad when they give Mars a reacharound after their pounding. The crux is this, some people need these plants as medicine. These false claims can cause life changing destruction - and the people making those claims may be causing actual physical harm - not cool in my book -

DocCox said:

you didn't offend me guy. It's the whole mars hydro possie that gets up in arms whenever they are presented with logic or facts. They are just gimmicks - people imagine they are growing some amazing $1,000 plant with a $70 light. It's like the same outrageous claims Mars makes on their website (it's lies). Somebody who doesn't know better falls for the lies and they get screwed. MARs knows their claims are false, they even had people from the forums unequivocally call them out and when they realized were not all sheeple in this subforum they ran off. If they manufactured their lights in a western country with enforced advertising laws they would be sued into bankruptcy.

I'm sorry the manufacturer is dishonest to good people, but it turns good people into bad when they give Mars a reacharound after their pounding. The crux is this, some people need these plants as medicine. These false claims can cause life changing destruction - and the people making those claims may be causing actual physical harm - not cool in my book -

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This guy is a moron.

Ignore the troll

I don't think Superbak3d works for mars....
And I don't think he's a sheep...
He sound very very smart and truthful in what he knows..
And for a virgin grower amateur like myself on a low budget the 300 seemed like a good starting point...
I must be a f***ing idiot !!
My internet is on a contract & I'm cert 3 mechanical engineering & machinist...
Yep I'm an idiot.
But i can and will upgrade when I know what the fuck I'm doing in the near future...
Fucking engineers lol

Let's look at things from the communities point of view. Mars Hydro has made crap lights and lied about their performance to people they suckered into buying them then didn't honor their warranty,this has been documented here to many times to count. Now we're suppose to think they have turned over a new leaf and make a great product at a very cheap price. Do they have all new management that have ethics,did they suddenly get a conscience or find Jesus? Fool me once shame on you,fool me twice shame on me. I looked at the specs of one of their new Cree panels and they are just using old out dated LED's that are inefficient compared to the new ones,90 l/w is what their white LED's put out and that's about what the old Cree household bulbs put out when they first came out years ago. It appears they went from poor quality epi-what ever to out dated quality LED's. Without having a panel to take apart it's just a guess,but my guess is they didn't improve their drivers or the cooling of the unit,probably still driven hard and improperly cooled as usual. There is no free lunch and you get what you paid for.That being said,as long as the buyer is aware of this,it's up to him if he still wants to buy these. The Cree panel I looked at broke down to $1.85 a watt,there are panels that go for $2.25 a watt that are about twice as efficient.

DocCox said:

I suppose maybe we are just idiots. You could easily DIY a superior LED in every possible way for less money than a MARs light, but im an idiot for suggesting it. Its not like you have a functional eye and a functional hand to do it right? If its about efficiency, you can easily blow MARS away watt for watt, especially with a DIY LED, HPS, or a DE HPS. If its about price, you can blow MARs away $ for $ especially with a DIY LED, HPS, or a DE HPS. If its about justifying your actions and calling everyone else that has a brain an idiot your free to do it, this is the internet after all. Sure if your ENTIRE budget for lights is $50 you can use the MARs light as an excuse. But I would bet you could cancel your internet for a month or two and build a nice fixture for yourself and not be the idiot anymore.

My "idiot" DIY panel is currently clearing out our old soil moms (8 of them) to make way for an additional pots for a hydro expansion. They grew up under 600W of T5, and have been there in 3 gallon pots - most of them over a year - months before I even picked them up. Meanwhile an "idiot" DE HPS is making quick work of the 15 hydro pots next to it. I had more plants than planned so im having to spread the light a little thin - but we should easily be pulling over 1.2 GPW even in this less than ideal, no maintenance grow. I top off my barrels every day (3 minutes with a hose), check the clones (5 minutes) adjust PH (1 minute, i'm anal about a 5.8 PH and we see a .1 to .2 rise daily) and then once every 5 weeks we dump barrels and refill (30 minutes). Could I pull over the 1.2 GPW? Sure easily, but my time is valuable because im a well paid professional (an engineer even) - It doesn't make financial sense for me to do it. Im not going to spend time pulling off leaves and clipping branches. Im not even going to trim these - why trim it myself when I can just got to work for a couple hours and pay people to trim this all for me in an hour.These guys just woke up to day 10 in flower, the DE is on a mover just to cover the space until we get the soil plants out of the way and can cram in another DE to distribute the light. That bamboo is 4ft. Please explain how a MARS light cold ever be beneficial to this room? Are you going to be pulling 1.2 GPW? How many hours is that going to take you? How many grams are you going to pull and whats your total KWH reading for your grow? Your light able to support plants that have a 2ft difference in canopy height without issue right? I know its a fools errand to try to bring you to reality, I don't know why I waste my time. Maybe I am the idiot.


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Did I miss the part where you tell us about a better light for $50???

captainmorgan said:

Let's look at things from the communities point of view. Mars Hydro has made crap lights and lied about their performance to people they suckered into buying them then didn't honor their warranty,this has been documented here to many times to count. Now we're suppose to think they have turned over a new leaf and make a great product at a very cheap price. Do they have all new management that have ethics,did they suddenly get a conscience or find Jesus? Fool me once shame on you,fool me twice shame on me. I looked at the specs of one of their new Cree panels and they are just using old out dated LED's that are inefficient compared to the new ones,90 l/w is what their white LED's put out and that's about what the old Cree household bulbs put out when they first came out years ago. It appears they went from poor quality epi-what ever to out dated quality LED's. Without having a panel to take apart it's just a guess,but my guess is they didn't improve their drivers or the cooling of the unit,probably still driven hard and improperly cooled as usual. There is no free lunch and you get what you paid for.That being said,as long as the buyer is aware of this,it's up to him if he still wants to buy these. The Cree panel I looked at broke down to $1.85 a watt,there are panels that go for $2.25 a watt that are about twice as efficient.

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Look I get where you're coming from And I'm a HID Cob LEC guy but honestly the feeling I get on this site is the peole who are on here regularly don't want to see any money go to Mars no matter how good or bad they are. They want to see the money go to their buddies who own there own lighting companies that I won't name here.

There are at least four people trying to start LED lighting companies active on this forum and they and their buddies and shepple will bash Mars or anything else and will recommend you buy a $500-$700 light to cover the same area.

Let's be honest guys not everyone needs or wants a BMW and their needs are meet buy a Civic so let it be

GrumpyToker said:

Look I get where you're coming from And I'm a HID Cob LEC guy but honestly the feeling I get on this site is the peole who are on here regularly don't want to see any money go to Mars no matter how good or bad they are. They want to see the money go to their buddies who own there own lighting companies that I won't name here.

There are at least four people trying to start LED lighting companies active on this forum and they and their buddies and shepple will bash Mars or anything else and will recommend you buy a $500-$700 light to cover the same area.

Let's be honest guys not everyone needs or wants a BMW and their needs are meet buy a Civic so let it be

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Yeah but if you ask people around here who judge a LED panel by a certain set criteria and panels from Mars/Kind/Black Dog tend to fail that criteria right off the bat because they don't disclose the most basic info about their offerings, your gonna get negative answers, and rightly so IMO.

Also totally uncalled for trying to make a point like that inferring the captain doesn't recommend Mars panels because of his supposed ulterior motives and not his knowledge and skill as a grower. He doesn't need me to defend him but did you see him recommend one of his buddies panels in this thread? No, didn't think so, so don't lump him in with the rest like those A-holes do. And I don't recommend giving your money to communist businesses who you have little to no recourse against and not to small tax-paying American business owners, some of whom have actual real world experience growing cannabis. Yeah I'm an asshole, huh? And they are not, not, not Hondas. They're actually like some Chinese POS car though that's just my biased opinion. And I've grown big fat buds with shit lights too. Doesn't mean it was quality bud. But again that's my bias talking, not my experience right?

The bulb section at Home Depot offers better options than Mars/LG-LED Solutions does, (the captain proved that btw GT, go look it up yourself), and HD purchases might even qualify for government rebates/tax right-offs to boot!

I believe high end cobs are the best lights going today and that Mars and others have taken advantage of many. However, many growers have these lights and some seem to get respectable results. Hats off! Also, some are just trying to do the best with what they have. That is just where they are right now.

If we and me are a bit more welcoming some newbies may hang out and learn what great lights can do. Some may even make their own.

Still though,I hate blurple!