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Other clone. Probably 5 oz maybe 5.5. Much better. Hopefully its just these but the other two look like a lot. So, Im only short a half oz rosin so far which I can live with.

So the jellysickle IHG hermed a little bit but herm is a herm. Not looking hashy so poor yield if any and would have to pray it goes away if I clone it. Just not likely. I wondered if just growing a clone and skip the seed would save time but kinda doesnt. People pop beans all the time as their dependant strategy vs clones.

I shouldnt waste time but is a tool in back pocket if it seems like its worth it. So yea idk seems like all breeders have this happen. Specially the hype brands HSC I got from a youtuber reviewing rosin yields. HSC is like the only one I consistantly hear that does it right and dont get herms on your first attempt.

They might herm on me too tho and just real bad luck. I hope the breeding game isnt screwed with a everlasting herm pandemic. Idk from what I understand they shouldnt be doing this if done right. Which includes tests in other grower setups across the globe. Welp it didnt survive mine.

Ive started out with no seeds wondering if Id ever see a herm but its all I get now. But at least I know its possible to not have one. But damn is my luck lookin bad with every 100$ pack I buy seems like the cheaper ones do me better.

I will say Im one of the few reporting this with IHG I bought based on review and didnt really see much negative. HSC even less. So the meat and potatoes here is Im gonna grow them next after a few runs, silver lining, no pressure. To have plant count I have it back in limit.

Then will compomise a slot for new genetics like initially intended. Will need to take up another spot for main pheno to produce cuts on standby. I lost a whole run not having that so its worth it, it could of been more than one plant lost.

Chocolate mint og or amherst sour d, which ever is more diverse from this basically og kush pheno I have. Id grow th seeds banana candy krush again, I learned I just got a bad pheno hash yield wise but that was all that was wrong. I will be doing one of those next.

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So the jellysickle IHG hermed a little bit but herm is a herm. Not looking hashy so poor yield if any and would have to pray it goes away if I clone it. Just not likely. I wondered if just growing a clone and skip the seed would save time but kinda doesnt. People pop beans all the time as their dependant strategy vs clones.

I shouldnt waste time but is a tool in back pocket if it seems like its worth it. So yea idk seems like all breeders have this happen. Specially the hype brands HSC I got from a youtuber reviewing rosin yields. HSC is like the only one I consistantly hear that does it right and dont get herms on your first attempt.

They might herm on me too tho and just real bad luck. I hope the breeding game isnt screwed with a everlasting herm pandemic. Idk from what I understand they shouldnt be doing this if done right. Which includes tests in other grower setups across the globe. Welp it didnt survive mine.

Ive started out with no seeds wondering if Id ever see a herm but its all I get now. But at least I know its possible to not have one. But damn is my luck lookin bad with every 100$ pack I buy seems like the cheaper ones do me better.

I will say Im one of the few reporting this with IHG I bought based on review and didnt really see much negative. HSC even less. So the meat and potatoes here is Im gonna grow them next after a few runs, silver lining, no pressure. To have plant count I have it back in limit.

Then will compomise a slot for new genetics like initially intended. Will need to take up another spot for main pheno to produce cuts on standby. I lost a whole run not having that so its worth it, it could of been more than one plant lost.

Chocolate mint og or amherst sour d, which ever is more diverse from this basically og kush pheno I have. Id grow th seeds banana candy krush again, I learned I just got a bad pheno hash yield wise but that was all that was wrong. I will be doing one of those next.

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Could be another type of environmental stress causing it. My GG4 just grew a sack on a lower I neglected to pull. This particular pheno is still fire! I'm not gonna trash it for that reason alone. Don't be discouraged keep dialing in your grows, whether clone or bean the stress can cause some herms, as long as it's not a true mixed male/female parts at the start. You got this bub, keep grinding!

Jellysickle 6 wks and the 3x3 7wks full. Feening for seedlings I want to pop one more but need to see what this is. Was just overly ambitious expecting 170gs a harvest rosin from my main pheno. While I could get close or close enough to be happy I could just roll it back a bit have fun try new beans.

That one year on and one year off is just overly ambitious. While I came a long way thats quite the goal. I could keep trying or just focus on having fun and having a savings set aside best I can. Theres got to be better out there that could make my ambitious goals happen.

Im froggy you never know what my next move will be sometimes lol.

Beans!

Hell yea that clone I thought was 4 or 4.5oz ended up being 5.8oz. What a relief thats not bad at all just a hiccup. Im used to 7-8oz. I was just getting desperete the whole time for a new pheno wondering when and how Il find it. This will do though.

Vivosun 2.5x5 right hand side clone 162.5gs flower to 12.95% flower rosin 21gs.

So doing a quick search pulling other forums just reading chats people have seen the loss of vigor. From just 20 generations or even less. I see things happen from afar and I wake up with that scenario so its possible.

It just aint growing vigorous this run and lost 4% hash yield and a ounce on this plant same conditions. Could be dinky root system compared to before but not explain why last run was acceptable. Signaling of my goal 170gs a run being possible.

In short, if it was 20% yield, terpy dank light colored, 8-9oz bud per clone every time.. Id have something pretty good right? Well its just not doing it this run. Clone has been through a lot. People that say no loss of vigor could be seeing one thing but this is my pay check so I track and see another..

Leave it to me to research for you in my garden. So for that reason Im popping a grape diamonds and chocolate mint og to dedicate a run couple tents. While I just get by with this ultra that I may of lost, my fault.

Lesson keep a actual mom if you value it with it paying all the bills. Just look at my whole journal youll see what its been through. I knew when I asked a while back if Im just tossing up a bunch of versions of my clone and choosing the worse stunted ones.

Doesnt explain why my 20% yields were always lacking of roots most of them. Im back to budtrimmer yield without the dry sift this is bad.

Wow so unexplectedly even the google ai can answer that loss of vigorncan include hash yield. Shoot well shes as good as gone almost and Im realizing Im not hand trimming for nothing.. She also would yield less than 12% if I machine trimmed.. All I can do is hunt through my clones pick the best one while spending some time looking for new phenos.

So yea Im poppin beans they will flip at next round after these 6 ultra clones. This sucks because the worse thing that can happen besides nuking a grow is starting over with genetics. Well lets see what my shopping spree brought me.

Alright. Bidness talk. Drawing board. Brainstorm. So while this aint horrible its very likely I lost my first pheno. This crazy I hope Im wrong. I gots enough to either dedicate a whole run 5 tents 5 plants from seed. That or just play safe like I like to do and go half and half but will take longer to find something.

Im about to have 7 months worth so.. I read og dont like to be cloned like that. So I think Im gonna move away from the og. Do amherst sour d, grape diamonds for sure. Then possibly a couple more Id need to think more about. I dont like to BS but its natural still figuring out how things work.

Vivosun 2.5x5 right clone did 162.5gs to 13% rosin and left hand clone did 149.5gs to 12.56% rosin. So 5.8oz and 5.3oz. Good sign Im losing the pheno theres just no other explination. 21gs and 18.78gs rosin.

Feelin better about this jellysickle. I dont think its seeded that bad at all but we will see. Germinating some seeds today.

It just make sense to phase in new seedlings later when I have space in veg tents in 4 wks. Not worth spending 50$ or more setting up another spot even tho I have most of what I need. So I soak seeds in 3-4 wks.

10 wks full chopped

The rootball of that 2.5x2.5 clone. Runoff ec and ph as normal 1.7ec in 1.9 ec out due to deglecting adding a few seconds runoff was lazy. Ph in 6.0 ph out 5.8 maybe 5.7 so seems clean of microbes. No bugs of course since I bagged them.

This time around will say it has more roots rhan I thought, just not much in the center. Can just dish out the center but the top and sides very tightly rooted.

Almost 7 wks full in veg. About a week or two to flip but going to just move to flower tents and veg a little longer. Make sure I get that yield since it may be low rosin yield. About time to pop beans almost.

Im committed to finding something better since this one isnt a gravy train. If its something Im doing wrong would be the next oo lala moment but I doubt it. I asked and was told should be my fault so will keep seeing what that is.

Il figure out if new pheno or lost pheno is the issue soon. I been meaning to try drying my bud back to normally and if that batch doesnt yield more Im back to wondering if its a lost pheno.

The bud yield on the last clone I did was much better and fatter. If it yields more rosin I will be stumped again. These clones lookin good tho.

Hydrocrunch 2.5x2.5 tent numbers are in and I am proud. False alarm I didnt lose the pheno. 179gs to 30.56gs flower rosin 17% and got like a quater oz set a side to see if drying horrendously was the cause. Im thinking its just a performance issue which Ive concluded before, it just dropped the bar some.

Need to factor that into future harvests. So 6.57oz or 6 oz and 16 grams altogether. So roughly its between 6-7oz and 15-17% average that I was happy enough with. Shit so I might flake my plans and keep this going. Then again the thought of a unicorn sounds great and if this is truely alright it will allow me to do both. Grow and look.

Just something to remember, before calling it too soon on mothering a plant you dont know its full ups and downs in performance. I just want something that makes me smile even on a light run.

Just a note on the vivosun 2.5x5 the two clones I was seeing upon smashing them before pressing them. I saw the tiny seed tip kernels you get when a pollenation happens so the ovula thing I forget the name. Every bud has it and when it pollenates it turns to a seed. I see this growing up buying bud and even saw it in dispensaries sometimes.

Id call a bud tender and they dont know what Im talking about or purposely acting that way. Anyway relevant cuz it happens and its harsh smoke. Its the worst kind of seeding cuz you cant just sieve it out or filter by hand its too fine. Sometimes theres a little activity in there the same thing just less developed.

When its bad its this dark unviable seed shells harsher because the shells developed instead of just some whatevers in it no shell really. Hard to explain you have to know about growing to know it and even then is hard to describe or maybe Im spot on. Even semi intermediate growers and more expirienced growers some probably still dont know about it.

Theres a thread that claims all bud has this, break it down wet or dried theres a little ball inside each calyx. Anyway so I dont think even when its how my clone was that you cant press it. I been dabbing it exclusively for a week and its not harsh or rank tasting. I believe lots of dispensaries use that bud for extracts but not flower rosin cuz its sooo horrible lol I live off the stuff.

So its not bad, this stuff could pass for dispensary sale on the lower grade but will get you pretty stoned. Its just harsh even if it doesnt have a trace of seed in it. This just would make it much worse. I really never saw this in my pheno after It seeded from seed but unviable seeds but large. Cloned it and never seeded again.

Just noting incase it keeps happening to figure out cause. Both clones in tent had it I dont think pollen drift from test pheno. Infact the hydrocrunch 2.5x2.5 tent had no trace of seed and yielded much higher in rosin. That tent struggled with humidity passing lil over 50% daily once a day. Turned out due to yielding a lot of bud.

So to conclude here should note all I can think of is it was very hot and dry 82F lows, 85F average, 89F highs. Humidity never passed 37% 30rh lows maybe just rough guessing. Need to note or just get a monitor setup so I can just post the data. Get in board with the future which so far sucks lol jk.

Jellysickle 8 wks.She didnt herm very bad I dont see seeds. Test press doesnt show a unicorn but she yields. Cooling before collect.

8.5% I aint keeping it.