Melon Gum - Dr Underground. Clones to flower !!!

yeah how the heck can you keep a 90-100% humidity level with gaping holes in your propagator smh. Thats funny. YOu are right though. You wont achieve much more than 50% unless its sealed. I can't wait til september comes so I can go out and get every darn thing that I need. This grow should supply me with plenty enough to be able to afford what I need. I have 2 friends with cancer who I supply too every harvest and only to them. My light is old and beat up. I bought it off a friend and he had cut the power cable to fit it through a wall so the ballast wasnt in his garden when all he had to do was open up the ballast, disconnect the wires, run the cord through the wall and presto...no cut wires needed. The bulb is about 5 years old, it still works great but I would think the lumens have dropped from the original 55,000 to at least 40,000. I need a new light bad. I was thinking of going with a 240W 7-band LED for the next grow to supplement my 400W hps so I can grow more plants and get a better spectrum range for them.

LED is very interesting now. iI should find out more. They had loads at the Spannabis exhibition. I've had my bulbs around a year b4 changing and kept the old ones for lower lumerns in veg - that way it doesn't matter if they are less powerful. They had mercury coloured patched near the metal fitting. I would only put new bulbs in the flower room. LED is a lot more cost effective but costs a lot initially. I saw a circular light set on a Dutch stand for €1000 at the show. It was only for a sq m !!

the one I am getting is this one....http://www.ebay.com/itm/Pro-7-Band-Hydroponic-270w-Hydro-LED-Plant-Grow-Light-Flowering-IR-UV-Not-240w-/221025087190?_trksid=p3284.m263&_trkparms=algo=SIC&its=I&itu=UCI+IA+UA+FICS+UFI&otn=21&pmod=350521813713&ps=54. You would need a bigger one that this one. It is a powerful light but only covers 12 square feet. I am going to replace my hps with a 400W dimmable hps/mh light set with cool hood. the reflector I have right now are them cheap aluminum ones that they put on the cheapy setups. I had plans on getting a new bulb for this old light awhile ago but ya know how it goes lol. I need this for nutes, I need that for odor control, I need an ac for cooling. I kept putting it off and now I can definitely tell that it is dimmer and needs replacing.

I was also thinking about doing a side by side comparison with the 270W led vs the 400w hps when I finally move out of this apt. and into a house next year. That should be fun

jpockets420 said:

the one I am getting is this one....http://www.ebay.com/itm/Pro-7-Band-Hydroponic-270w-Hydro-LED-Plant-Grow-Light-Flowering-IR-UV-Not-240w-/221025087190?_trksid=p3284.m263&_trkparms=algo%3DSIC%26its%3DI%26itu%3DUCI%2BIA%2BUA%2BFICS%2BUFI%26otn%3D21%26pmod%3D350521813713%26ps%3D54. You would need a bigger one that this one. It is a powerful light but only covers 12 square feet. I am going to replace my hps with a 400W dimmable hps/mh light set with cool hood. the reflector I have right now are them cheap aluminum ones that they put on the cheapy setups. I had plans on getting a new bulb for this old light awhile ago but ya know how it goes lol. I need this for nutes, I need that for odor control, I need an ac for cooling. I kept putting it off and now I can definitely tell that it is dimmer and needs replacing.

I was also thinking about doing a side by side comparison with the 270W led vs the 400w hps when I finally move out of this apt. and into a house next year. That should be fun

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I think LED will be very popular in places where they're not allowed to grow. The fact that they make less heat means less work for our AC's !!!! I want to do a comparison soon, coco clones next to soil but this time I'll only do a few in hydro!! I put a load of JD's out today, still more to fill tho !

parece muy bueno, fairy girl

scroglodyte said:

parece muy bueno, fairy girl

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Gracias mi amigo !!

Hi Guys !!!

The Melon Gums look back on track. They are lightening up and using whats in the pot. They have grown another couple of cms in the last 2 days and are now 32 cms. The next feed must be the yellow bottle of hesi which has more N and then I will wean it over slowly to the green bottle by mixing the two.

I'm so glad that I'm learning a bit of patience here as I can see that not watering them (and then waiting for them to dry) and then watering with a bit of run-off is the way forward. This is what I did in the beginning and since then drowned many small clones time and time again.

I love taking pics so I will take some good ones tonight. Been busy with some other clones etc ...

I appreciate all ur input here guys and I'm sure I'm gonna pull off one helluva little harvest!!!

awesome! Glad to here its going well for ya. I see your in the comfort zone! Mine on the other hand are starting to have some issues. I am getting clawed leaves....again. Seems that every grow no matter what I do, no matter what I use or don't use I get clawed leaves. The only N that my plants get is in the Micro which is 5-0-0. I think this is the issue. But they need their micro nutrients. I think I will feed with micro every other watering at 1/4 strength of what I am using now and hope that helps. I figured a couple weeks ago when the fan leaves started to get super dark green that I would be dealing with this after week 2 of flower and here I am...dealing with it lol. I wish they had micronutrients void of N...then I would have 0 problems. Looking forward to seeing pictures!

Well, this week I learnt (from my mistake) that too much P & K also causes clawing but minus the dark green effect. I have to check the NPK values more !!
I have a sample bottle of Atami Bloom -C ATA organics with values 1 - 20 -17. Why don't they just call it PK something or other ?

Here are the pictures of the melon gums. There are 3 different clones photo'd. One looks hungry and the other still clawed over a bit but growing.

All the pots were really light this evening. If they looked like that and were heavy then I'd be really worried!! The clone that had those deformed blades is showing signs of burn on the lower leaves.

They need watering tomorrow and I am planning on keeping the EC low - 0.35-0.45 but with more N and less P & K. Instead of buffering my RO with just tap water I will use liquid N too. Tap water to EC 0.2 and then N to EC 0.3 and then a small amount of the nutes.

I want to increase the feed but I wouldn't dare !! Not after their initial reaction. I'm hoping they will all even out and grow the same, with the same nutes.

We shall have to see.

I found a function on my camera which allows me to take pics with the HPS lights on ! It's not great but you can see the square without lines and a yellow tinge.

sum do look alittle claw leafed, do u know the ph of ur soil is? i kinda wanna say back off on all nutes on the ones that are kinda clawed and give them straight R/O water for one or two watering, the healthier ones look fine and ready to do wonders, if u just fed them last time then give all of them plain water atleast once before feeding again never feed twice in a row, the ones that are kinda claw leafed will come out of it just go easy on them when u do feed them, be sure to check the ph of ur soil it can be a bitch to ur plants when ur soils ph is off, nice job on the camera btw i hate the stupid little lines and yellow tint the hps light leaves on pics thas tight u can take pics without havin to worry bout tht shit

Kb's seeds said:

sum do look alittle claw leafed, do u know the ph of ur soil is? i kinda wanna say back off on all nutes on the ones that are kinda clawed and give them straight R/O water for one or two watering, the healthier ones look fine and ready to do wonders, if u just fed them last time then give all of them plain water atleast once before feeding again never feed twice in a row, the ones that are kinda claw leafed will come out of it just go easy on them when u do feed them, be sure to check the ph of ur soil it can be a bitch to ur plants when ur soils ph is off, nice job on the camera btw i hate the stupid little lines and yellow tint the hps light leaves on pics thas tight u can take pics without havin to worry bout tht shit

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Hey KB !!

That camera function is cool. It's only a SONY cyber-shot camera, small digital type. It has a function with a 'lightbulb' icon called incandescant light. I've used it for my first grow photos too.

I'm going to see the girls now. I'll give all of them straight RO, no need to PH and not possible without buffering. They're going to get through the water faster than last time as they are bigger. Better to play it safe.

I've got a little soil ph tester kit, I'll give it a go today.

Need to go and find out where Grandma hid that mollasses !!!! I don't think she hid it in Spain !!!!!

how do u guys not have molasses in spain lol i thought it was a universal thing lol well if u end up having to order online, order the wholesome sweeteners organic un-sulphured molasses, is not hella cheap molasses but it has good amounts of potassium, calcium, magnesium, iron and it doesnt have any sodium in it at all, whatever brand u buy always check the sodium levels ive noticed cheaper molasses with higher levels of sodium in it can actually be counter productive, but yea straight r/o water this time, when growing in a soil medium u always wana have atleast one watering with plain water in between each feeding, and let me know the ph of ur soil too once u read it

Kb's seeds said:

how do u guys not have molasses in spain lol i thought it was a universal thing lol well if u end up having to order online, order the wholesome sweeteners organic un-sulphured molasses, is not hella cheap molasses but it has good amounts of potassium, calcium, magnesium, iron and it doesnt have any sodium in it at all, whatever brand u buy always check the sodium levels ive noticed cheaper molasses with higher levels of sodium in it can actually be counter productive, but yea straight r/o water this time, when growing in a soil medium u always wana have atleast one watering with plain water in between each feeding, and let me know the ph of ur soil too once u read it

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They have it on Ebay!!! Good ol' Ebay!! Plus it can be sent from the UK, only £4.95. $7 ?

I'll get on the case!

Hi guys !!!

The MG's looked even more yellow today but some still have leaf claw. I don't want to foliar spray with liquid N so I am going to RO water with very slight food and the rest in N bringing the EC to 0.3. The will have had 2 RO waterings by then. They're lightening up and using it which is good. I need to start feeding them tho. Pre-flowers have started forming already. I think it'll be at least 2 days b4 the next watering/feed. I'll take pics tomorrow.

I took pics of 3 different plants. One looks def, one hungry and one still over. They've had RO water only twice now.

Pots are lightening up and most will need water/feed ?? tomorrow.

I tried to do a PH test with a little kit that came with a powder in a capsule and a small tube. It was useless and didn't even change colour.

The last pic is of some outdoor gardening that I did this afternoon for a friend. It's one of my clones Jamaican Dream (phen-1) which I've passed over to her as she had no luck last year. I re-potted it today into Canna Bio (Organic) Terra to give it a nice healthy life !!

oye, bonita.........dejarlos solos

back off the nutes, imo.

scroglodyte said:

back off the nutes, imo.

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Ok, but they only got 1ml/litre EC 0.3-044 last time and that was days ago. It looks like the chlorosis is getting worse.

So, do u mean even less than 1ml / litre or none at all - more RO mix tap water next time ???

Que complicado - joder !!!

Today, a couple of them just got EC 0.2 water with Rhizo. These were the healthier ones. The rest were still heavy but the colour is too light for their strain so on the next watering I will feed very slightly EC 0.3 to see how they react. They're 10 days on 12:12 now. Height is between 32-35 cms. I don't think they'll come out of that leaf curl before continuing to going paler in colour. Then it will have been at least 3 pure watering without nutes.

AC was difficult to balance today and I left it t 26 deg C / RH 42%. Bit low for my liking so early in the day. The RH will prob be in the high 30's% by lights off. Too much transpiration and i/they don't like it!!!.


Anyway, my works done for today and it's boiling outside. Just gonna transplant out some outdoor plants (in the shade) into some nice Canna Bio Terra which I used outdoors last year for auto's and they turned out great. I think I only fed them once b4 they finished. This soil costs double what the other Canna Terra costs so I use it for longer period rather than just 6-8 weeks indoors.

However, if it takes the work out of feeding then I might have to use it indoors