"MG will kill your plants"... "MG works great for me"... WTF, Mate?

only newbs use miracle grow

Only newbs stay up all night trimming your plants for you.

madodah said:

I believe the name 'Miracle Grow' has more influence on consumers with a limited or complete lack of agricultural and botanical knowledge than any other single factor. It stimulates the instant gratification desire so predominate in many individuals.

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I believe it takes a greater lacking of that same knowledge to deem it necessary to purchase overpriced, "specialized" nutes from grow shops (online or otherwise). I can make a plant grow beautifully with Miracle Grow. Don't hate me because you can't. When in doubt, throw some more money at it.

KitchenKhemist said:

I believe it takes a greater lacking of that same knowledge to deem it necessary to purchase overpriced, "specialized" nutes from grow shops (online or otherwise). I can make a plant grow beautifully with Miracle Grow. Don't hate me because you can't. When in doubt, throw some more money at it.

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you get what you pay for

Fair enough. But I do believe I saw 13 plants, each about 2.5 to 3' tall, harvested last night that used Technaflora nutes. Those 13 together MIGHT have produced as much weight as my ONE miracle grow plant.

KitchenKhemist said:

Fair enough. But I do believe I saw 13 plants, each about 2.5 to 3' tall, harvested last night that used Technaflora nutes. Those 13 together MIGHT have produced as much weight as my ONE miracle grow plant.

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Pretty subjective comparison. Were they the same strain? Veg'd the same ammount of time? What about environmental conditions? I mean I've pulled a pound a plant or more with MG outside, but there's no way I'd expect that indoors with any fert.

I agree with your other statement though, most people don't understand why MG has problems. What's funniest to me, is when they knock it but then move to weaker soluble fertilizer, with the same inherent problems.

whiteflour said:

Pretty subjective comparison. Were they the same strain? Veg'd the same ammount of time? What about environmental conditions? I mean I've pulled a pound a plant or more with MG outside, but there's no way I'd expect that indoors with any fert.

I agree with your other statement though, most people don't understand why MG has problems. What's funniest though. Is when they knock it and move to weaker soluble fertilizer, with the same inherent problems.

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EXACT same strain and genetics. Different lighting conditions, room, etc. but my point is - spending extra money on nutrients isn't necessarily going to give you an advantage over the guy who uses MG nutes AND KNOWS WHAT HE IS DOING. You can "get what you pay for" all day long...I'd rather pay less, know what I'm doing, and get better results because I'm not some idiot following a feeding chart.

what's good for one grower may not be what's good for the next grower. most mg failures that i have seen are by noobs over watering, over feeding, or trying to adjust ph when the problem was over feeding or over watering. i've had great results using mg and ff but i'll use nothing but mg until ff's prices and availibilty get as easy as mg's.

there nothing wrong with useing "MG"
people hate on "MG" because thats what they have been taught
alot of the soils "they" tell you to get has the same shit the "MG" has in it
use what you want to use ALL the shit is the same its all in you mind
"MG" works fine
the only problem i have with any soil is the price
when i do buy soil i look for the cheapest soil sold
the soil is not even the most important part of growing
hell you dont even need soil to grow weed
thats the funnest part of the soil wars to me , pepole get all bendt out of shape over which soil you are useing
when you can ezly grow anything without soil
soil is simply substrate nothing more nothing less it holds the plant up
you can grow weed in glass beeds, coconut husks, firber glass insulation, clay balls, nothing at all if you hold the stem in place... all of this and we argue over namebrands of soil... DONT DRINK THE COOL'AID
you will still end up adding after market nutes to what ever you use this is where you need to pay cloese attention to, even then read the label dont get caught up in the namebrand wars

Amen brother.

"soil is simply substrate nothing more nothing less it holds the plant up
you can grow weed in glass beeds, coconut husks, firber glass insulation, clay balls, nothing at all if you hold the stem in place... all of this and we argue over namebrands of soil.."

In an organic forum where growing concentrates on cultivation in a living soil without aftermarket nutrients, that amounts to nothing but ridiculous, off-topic chatter. About the same level of discussion as a tug boat captain posting in a sailing forum.

Time to unsubscribe from this thread.

madodah said:

In an organic forum where growing concentrates on cultivation in a living soil without aftermarket nutrients, that amounts to nothing but ridiculous, off-topic chatter. About the same level of discussion as a tug boat captain posting in a sailing forum.
Time to unsubscribe from this thread.

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if your trying to tell me that
indoor organic soil growers, are not adding any nutes to the soil from seed to harvest ........
yuck fou thats ridiculous

Plants don't recognize the difference between organic fertilizers and chemical fertilizers. Their tiny root hairs will absorb those microscopic nutrients regardless of the source or how they were manufactured. The biggest differences between organic and chemical fertilizers are origin of the elements used and chemical fertilizers will be washed from the soil fairly easily while organic fertilizers are slower to be depleted in the same manner and if a quality organic fertilizer it will be more complete.

Organic fertilizer consists of large, organic molecules. It provides a suitable habitat for many microorganisms and soil fauna and flora. Organic fertilizer decays slowly, gradually releasing nutrients into the soil. Because it was once alive, it contains many micronutrients that are not present in the typical NPK fertilizer. Compost/organic fertilizer also tends to hold water, unlike NPK fertilizer, which is readily washed away with watering and rain.

That 5hit said:

if your trying to tell me that
indoor organic soil growers, are not adding any nutes to the soil from seed to harvest ........
yuck fou thats ridiculous

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Take your childish anger elsewhere and do a little research with the energy. There are organic cannabis forums where organic grow medium and tea component construction are the major subjects. In organic growing, indoor and outdoor, nutrient components are part of the grow medium where microbes deliver plant requirements. 'Additives' are AACT or ACT brewed teas, applied as drenches and foliar sprays, normally applied once during vegetation and again during early flowering, to enhance microbe numbers/types and activity with little nutrient content. Do yourself a big favor and read Teaming with Microbes. You'll learn how living soil actually functions in servicing plant requirements.

Or don't and remain set in your ways in your own little world. Nutrient vendors depend on that status.

Brick Top said:

Plants don't recognize the difference between organic fertilizers and chemical fertilizers. Their tiny root hairs will absorb those microscopic nutrients regardless of the source or how they were manufactured. The biggest differences between organic and chemical fertilizers are origin of the elements used and chemical fertilizers will be washed from the soil fairly easily while organic fertilizers are slower to be depleted in the same manner and if a quality organic fertilizer it will be more complete.

Organic fertilizer consists of large, organic molecules. It provides a suitable habitat for many microorganisms and soil fauna and flora. Organic fertilizer decays slowly, gradually releasing nutrients into the soil. Because it was once alive, it contains many micronutrients that are not present in the typical NPK fertilizer. Compost/organic fertilizer also tends to hold water, unlike NPK fertilizer, which is readily washed away with watering and rain.

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Excellent. I'd add the propensity of chemical (and some organic delivery methods) fertilizers to clog soil with salt deposits, destroying microorganisms, and for all practical purposes it becomes, dead.

Living soil is (or should be) an interesting topic for anyone pursuing cultivation of any plant life.

Any of u guys heard of the Mountain Man Organic Mx ?

It's all about the soil and really creating a true living biosphere. Read teaming with microbes, it's really a great book for the MJ plant or any other for that matter. And like has been said, the plants do not distinguish a difference from organics or salt based fertilizers.

That 5hit said:

if your trying to tell me that
indoor organic soil growers, are not adding any nutes to the soil from seed to harvest ........
yuck fou thats ridiculous

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I barely add ANYTHING to my soil, it's mostly in the mix already. I have plants 6 weeks in flower that have only been hit with an EWC slurry twice, and been just given plain water and molasses the whole way through flower. Oh wait, I used liquid Karma twice, once in veg and once in flower so I guess I am not truly organic, but I dont give a shit what you want to call it. I will go with pseudo organic. If you start out with a good soil mix with nutrients in the living soil, you wont need much else, depending on the strain. This is the reason I choose to do it this way, it's more convenient, cheaper and quite frankly better in the end product in my experience.

MG Moisture Control is a blessing. When I'm feeling lazy and don't want to mix, this stuff will do the job nicely. I'm actually using it exclusively right now.

What brand of MG is supposed to burn. I've never had that happen before.

I laugh when I read that it says it will feed up to 3 months. I'm applying Alaskan fish emulsion after a week and a half of transplanting. It does hold water significantly longer than standard soil. In the Mojave Desert that makes all the difference.

I would like to see Home Depot take $3.00 off the sticker though. $13.97 for 64 quarts is a little more than what I would like to spend.

I tried MG at first, my plants were stunted after 3 weeks, I know I did alot of other things wrong leading up to it but I decided to start all over with FFOF, hoping to get some results in a few days