Michigan MMJ

Kruzty

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could anyone PM me with some info as to how I could get approved for it? I'm in Wayne country, and that southfield place is probably 20-25 minutes from me.
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VV, I've yet to see those DB tamatoes.Mites been busy on that end but the clown done went and made the mite tonic.Be workin too, hehehehehe. Leave it up to a disabled person to solve to mite problem cheaply.Clown tonic comeing to a town near you hehehehehehehe.
 

VictorVIcious

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if you have something wrong with you why would they make it so hard?
Why is Marijuana illegal:blsmoke:. Two of my patients went to their regular Doctor, he gave them the necessary paper work, what is so hard about that? IF you name a caregiver, you have to send 3 pieces of paperwork to the MDCH with the appropriate fee, what is so hard about that?
In this case, they is us, we wrote the law. It was written the way we felt like we could get it passed, the only big words are the named diseases.
We do have folks that will try to help anyone that is having a problem getting through the process, all you need is a recommendation from a DO or MD. That recommendation states that after a review of your medical records in a 'bonafide Dr./Patient relationship', you might benefit by using marijuana. The biggest problem is most of us couldn't afford a Medical History, we have been suffering through the pain for years.
Fortunately there are some Doctors that understand that, they will guide you through the process, they will not waste your time or your money, they will charge you up to $200.00 which is a lot less than you would pay to develop a medical history. They will stay within their comfort zone, so would you if you were in their position, they will not lie for you. I like that. C.S. Phillips, the inventor of the phillips head screw driver, told me that was the number one rule he had for the salesmen that worked for his companies. Don't ever lie for me, because if you would lie for me, you would lie to me and we can't tolerate that.
Well....I have been known to give lengthy responses. I am defensive of this law, I read it, I campaigned for it, collected signatures to put it on the ballot and voted for it. I think it is the best of all of the Medical Marijuana Laws I have read. It does set up a Legal framework for an advisory board to consider diseases that should be added, it does have reasonable limits.
If your having trouble contact one of us, we will help you. VV:eyesmoke:
 

emptymag

Active Member
:joint:Love the thread! I'm in Macomb County. Have my card. Was easy as can be to get. I'm helping a few others with the process. I'll be their caregiver in return for them helping with the bills. Equitable. Has anyone heard if the powers that be will allow a caregiver store? I'd LOVE to be able to sample a few different Meds. Just so I can make up my mind as to what I want to grow.
I've ordered 2 feminized Blueberry seeds. I'll raise 1 for clones. Sure would be easier if I could find clones around here. Keep up the good works VV!
 

VictorVIcious

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Thanx, it is not just me though, many folks that have made contributions. BlueBerry is not one of my favorites, I have found it to be a low yield. Northern Berry, a cross between Northern lights and blueberry is a much better choice, depending on the conditions or symptoms you have.

the powers that be is pretty much what we decide, I do not support a store, a physical building for this purpose, that is what happens after the meeting, between private individuals. Attend your local compassion club meetings and ask how you can help them. It sound like you must have it together, welcome to the forum and our group. VV
 

Kruzty

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Clinic for Compassionate Care
Dr. Robert Kenewell, DO
1380 Coolidge Hwy
Suite 100
Troy, MI 48084
ph: 888-846-0420
fax: 248-412-5505
[email protected]


Here ya go. They have been doing clinics all over Michigan so give them a call and see if there comeing to your area.
 

Ledhed

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Page 8 of 23 of what I read online states..." Primary Caregivers-(Section 4(e)) "Primary Caregiver" means a person who is a least 21 years old and who has agreed to assist with a patients medical use of marujuana and who has never been convicted of a felony involving illegal drugs."

That's all fine with me, not looking for, or to be, a caregiver, just want to grow my own LEGAL smoke. Another question, and this is where I hit the roadblock,,,I have always had a fear and hatred of doctors. I've lived with almost constant headaches for over 25 years and refuse to pay a doctor's inflated prices, with or without insurance. I also have arthritis and back pains and muscle spasms, but none of this has ever been "officially" documented by a regular physician. The law is written so as to say you need medical records for at least the last three years showing that you have sought treatment for the ailments you wish to help with medical marijuana. Do any of the clinics have a way of circumventing this part of the law or do I need to make an appointment with a regular MD and see them several times to prove that I have sought help for my "aches and pains"?This is the part of the law that puts me in a bad position. I literally have not seen a doctor in nearly 25 years, I prefer to just deal with the pain and take obscene amounts of aspirin. As far as my previous question about being a felon, I think I could/would qualify to grow my own, from what I understood of the reply posts, please correct if I'm wrong. Just love to smoke and as I'm getting older I really only do maybe 1 or 2 a day, but would still like to be as legit as possible about it. I love that Michigan has finally seen the light, but fear that I may have to smoke illegally till I die, or quit(not likely) whichever comes first. Why couldn't they/we have passed this great law before I got into legal trouble? Bastards,,,,,,,
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VictorVIcious

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Ledhed
That's all fine with me, not looking for, or to be, a caregiver, just want to grow my own LEGAL smoke. Another question, and this is where I hit the roadblock,,,I have always had a fear and hatred of doctors. I've lived with almost constant headaches for over 25 years and refuse to pay a doctor's inflated prices, with or without insurance. I also have arthritis and back pains and muscle spasms, but none of this has ever been "officially" documented by a regular physician. The law is written so as to say you need medical records for at least the last three years showing that you have sought treatment for the ailments you wish to help with medical marijuana
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No, it does no say anything about needing a three year medical history, all the Law says is in the 'course of a bonafide Doctor/Patient Relationship'. That language is there because we have case law. A bonafide Doctor Patient relationship exists as soon as the patient and Doctor say it does.
Probably what you are referring to is an individual Doctor or Clinic requirement that you have medical history from your last three Doctors visits. This is enough to establish history which a Doctor can review to show that you do have an existing condition. This would be called exercising due caution, not a legal requirement of the Law.

Do any of the clinics have a way of circumventing this part of the law or do I need to make an appointment with a regular MD and see them several times to prove that I have sought help for my "aches and pains"?This is the part of the law that puts me in a bad position. I literally have not seen a doctor in nearly 25 years, I prefer to just deal with the pain and take obscene amounts of aspirin
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Since it is not LAW there is not anything to circumvent.

As far as my previous question about being a felon, I think I could/would qualify to grow my own, from what I understood of the reply posts, please correct if I'm wrong. Just love to smoke and as I'm getting older I really only do maybe 1 or 2 a day, but would still like to be as legit as possible about it. I love that Michigan has finally seen the light, but fear that I may have to smoke illegally till I die, or quit(not likely) whichever comes first. Why couldn't they/we have passed this great law before I got into legal trouble? Bastards,,,,,,,
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They can not deny your being a patient, you are not allowed to be a caregiver if you have a previous felon drug conviction.
There seems to be a lot of confusion by people that have not actually read and analyzed this Law, so much that I am tired of hearing them.
Doctor have hundreds of thousands of dollars tied up in education and equipment, they are going to want more than just a quick visit with you, they are going to want to see some history. We have Doctors in Jackson that have written recommendations for patients they see on a regular basis. Many of their patients are on Medicare or Medicade, and these Doctor do not charge their regular patients any additional fees for the recommendations.
The best placece to get information about what is needed from you would be to call one of the clinics and find out what you need.
Here is what has happened. The 'government' has been lying about Marijuana since 1937, all they do is come up with another lie, or try to tell us it is not a good time right now to talk about Marijuana the economy is to important, we are fighting a war, etc. We had testimony from Irv Rosenfeld in front of our representative a few years back, nothing was done. The democrats signed a statement saying they would support Medical Marijuana if it ever came up for a vote. The citizens of our State have said, enough is enough we don't care what you think or say, it is time to get the patients off the battlefield, no reason for them to suffer and be in pain while we fight the rest of this battle.
We passed a carefully written, tightly worded bill that, if followed to the letter will protect patients and caregivers from arrest and Prosecution. Law enforcement and prosecutors have chosen to ignore the law or try to rewrite the law and they can't. This Law is a constitutional Amendment and if you read section 7 e you will find that any law that conflicts with this law does not apply to the Medical use of Marijuana. Like Matt Abel pointed out today in the Shaiwassee Circuit Court It is legal to grow marijuana in Michigan now.......... for some people. We call them patients and caregivers. Imagine, I can legally grow 12 plants for myself and up to 60 for 5 other people in Michigan right now according to the Law. It requires a vote by 75% of the representatives to change this carefully crafted Law. There are even provisions to add diseases and conditions that will be covered by this law. Please read it first, analyze it second and the thank us for working to pass it .....before you call us :eyesmoke:bastards for doing so. VV
 

VictorVIcious

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Yes there are. The best way would be to go the MMMA website. At the top they have a drop down menu for finding club dates and locations. There is one in Monroe if I remember right. VV
 

polishfalcon420

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hey VV and Krusty. I would like to thank the both of you for contributing to my thread and being so involved with the movement in our state. do you guys no of any docs in the saginaw bay area? also I am interested in being a caregiver could you guys point me in the right direction to do so. as what is the best way to contribute to help people.
 

VictorVIcious

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My friend Swampy (Tom Higgins) died 9/23, he was 52. Swampy explained to the Michigan Department of Community Health that he is a Master Grower, he had been growing Marijuana in the National and States forest for years. He had created a strain the is a cross between G-13 and Hawaiian ButterScotch, and he was going to give these seeds away, then he did his little victory dance, he pulled a big bag of seeds out and held them high in the air, that was about all he had to say. He named this strain Free Leonard, in honor of his friend Leonard Peltier, the Native American that is in prison for a crime he did not commit. Swampy devoted his free time to 2 things, teaching people that Marijuana is Medicine, and getting Leonard out of Federal Prison.
If you ever get a change to try Free Leonard..... you remember my friend. VV
 

polishfalcon420

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sorry to hear that VV, Ill be sure if I ever come acrossed free Leonard to have a moment of silence only to be interupted by coughing. do you guys have your cultivation class up and running yet? let me know when you do and where its at and the fees and such. I would like to check it out if possible just to see how you guys do things and get some new Ideas. I was going to check out the oaksterdam deal in ann arbor before but I canceled cause it was 200 bux and it didnt seem to cover anything new to me other than the law aspect. I am more interested in how to get connected with people that need assistance. I know it would pry be best to go to some meetings but Im not really a socialable person and get kind of paranoid about the whole thing. its hard for me to meet new people yet alone to try and do it under these kind of circumstances. thanks again for your efforts VV.
 

Kruzty

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sorry to hear that VV, Ill be sure if I ever come acrossed free Leonard to have a moment of silence only to be interupted by coughing. do you guys have your cultivation class up and running yet? let me know when you do and where its at and the fees and such. I would like to check it out if possible just to see how you guys do things and get some new Ideas. I was going to check out the oaksterdam deal in ann arbor before but I canceled cause it was 200 bux and it didnt seem to cover anything new to me other than the law aspect. I am more interested in how to get connected with people that need assistance. I know it would pry be best to go to some meetings but Im not really a socialable person and get kind of paranoid about the whole thing. its hard for me to meet new people yet alone to try and do it under these kind of circumstances. thanks again for your efforts VV.

Boy I know that feeling.Sometimes ya just have to do it.Once ya do you'll be saying," man should have done that a long time ago".

Swampy was a good man and his passing really put a damper on things.He helped alot and I mean alot of new grower patients here without even batting a eye.He will surely be missed and never forgotten :cry:
 

deh

Active Member
Okay...when your "local" narcotics team shows up at your door are they supposed to present you with a warrant?

Are they supposed to leave you with a list of "items" that were removed?

What should I do now that my doctor after holding my paperwork apparently for 4 weeks, because the "office" as a whole decided to NOT support Medical Marijuana.

It seems as tho ive been whammied....

Help..pls
 

VictorVIcious

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deh
Okay...when your "local" narcotics team shows up at your door are they supposed to present you with a warrant?
Yes

Are they supposed to leave you with a list of "items" that were removed?
What should I do now that my doctor after holding my paperwork apparently for 4 weeks, because the "office" as a whole decided to NOT support Medical Marijuana.
Tell them you want the medical records that they were going to base the decision on. Call one of the Doctor's listed on the MMMA website and get your recommendation.

It seems as tho ive been whammied....

Help..pls
More details of what is happening will be necessary for us to help you. Attend the Medical Marijuana Freedom March at the Capitol tomorrow, there will be folks that can help you. VV
 
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