Michigan Senate Bill #17 - Banning clubs and dispensaries

defcomexperiment

Well-Known Member
apart from this being wrong anyways, i did like the fact that he pointed out that they are not trying to ban dispensaries. it means that in some manner he is aware, and may even be convinced that the dispensaries are legal. it is what it is anyways, they should understand that dispensaries are a nature of it. as is they should appreciate that the business is being done in the public as it makes it more likely for them to collect a tax revenue.
 

ozzrokk

Well-Known Member
Ultimately they want to take the growing out of the hands of patients and do away with caregivers
all together and put it all in the hands of big business and select mega grows at a great expense
to the patients. And yes that all would get taxed to high heaven.
 
silly downstate politicians. Thats what you get with democrats.

Here is my POV

I grow my own and what little overages I do have are properly dispensed around "my group."

I have never nor will I ever go into a dispensary and pay their bloated prices or try and sell my goods to them. This is medicine and it has been made legal under that understanding.

Trying to profit for medical marijuana is plain wrong until everyone that suffers has been taken care of.

Am I on my soap box, Fuck Yes!! I hate dispensary's and the unwanted attention they bring, last week in Traverse City one was broken into.
I am 100% backing the patients right to grow their own and what they do with it after that is their decision.

But on the other hand I agree with no more regulation that does not lead to legalization and decriminalization.
I agree! Its just like a CVS. Sure you have a bunch of different cold medicine to choose from, but in the end they are all the FUCKIN SAME.

Same shit at a dispensary bogus strain names, uneducated staff and shady owners. Quality will just continue to get watered down as these pop up

But Americans are lazy and stupid so they like convenience, not matter how shitty it is.
 
All dispensaries do is perpetuate the stereotypes of a "stoner" and how people are just abusing the MMJ system. Because you have "healthy" looking kids walking in and out of these places in broad daylight all day, everyday long for everyone to see. Now a club on the other hand is much more low key and chances are you are only going to be seeing other patients/cg's not Ms. Jones a half a block down buying groceries or grabbing lunch
 

ktwister

Member
I agree! Its just like a CVS. Sure you have a bunch of different cold medicine to choose from, but in the end they are all the FUCKIN SAME.

Same shit at a dispensary bogus strain names, uneducated staff and shady owners. Quality will just continue to get watered down as these pop up

But Americans are lazy and stupid so they like convenience, not matter how shitty it is.

The strain name game started long ago OVERSEAS. It's one thing to call someone out, but to group all americans into one heap is basically some small-minded anger that has completely misfired and is misdirected, but thanks for your overeducated views.

All dispensaries do is perpetuate the stereotypes of a "stoner" and how people are just abusing the MMJ system. Because you have "healthy" looking kids walking in and out of these places in broad daylight all day, everyday long for everyone to see. Now a club on the other hand is much more low key and chances are you are only going to be seeing other patients/cg's not Ms. Jones a half a block down buying groceries or grabbing lunch
fail to see the point.

If someone looks "healthy" going into any of those places, maybe it's because the medicine is working for them.
Why are you profiling people who look "healthy" ?
I have a healthy appearance.
Does that mean I don't have a million things wrong with me, and I am somehow abusing the MMP system because I appear to be healthy ?
People shouldn't be shamed into thinking they are doing anything wrong by participating in nature and science, and going into anywhere where those kind of activities are taking place.
As far as not seeing Ms.Jones, I saw my 6th grade science teacher the other day at the club, so I guess I fail to see the point here either.
 
Failing to see my point. It's not people like you and I that are causing trouble. Its those who have NO idea about marijuana. There a lot of ignorant out there, especially older folks who do see people going to these places. Many folks DO think it is or should be for the cancer/extremely sick. Im not against there being a handful of places throughout the state. BUt some people wanna flood the market like California.

And yes, the name game is out of hand and some bullshit, but if I had a good caregiver whom I trusted, then chances are I would hear a lot less bullshit if any. too many unknowns at a dispensary. you have to take a strangers word for it, not too mention trust that the owners arent running their business shady when youre name is on some piece of paper in a file
 

LordWinter

New Member
This is getting interesting, so, since I'm anti-dispensary but pro-club, I'll throw my two cents into the mix.

Let's face it, the dispensaries ARE the root of the problem, the anti's see them and they are incited into action. Why? Try to see it from their (albeit misinformed) perspective: Marijuana isn't even street legal and now there's a pot bar down on the corner!

The dispensary, in the eyes of our anti, has gone from a legitimate establishment for medical purposes to a pub where weed is sold instead of the myriad forms of alcohol. Why has this happened? Because a dispensary is a FOR PROFIT establishment from the beginning, with some of the locations housing more pot than even the generous laws of SOME other countries would be willing to allow under non-medical circumstances. Basically, in the eyes of an indoctrinated anti-cannabis person, a dispensary owner is just a glorified drug lord.

If you try to understand the mentality of the person holding these beliefs, it's quite often easy to predict their behavior. Most anti's have the mentality of an old man in his 90's when it comes to their personal beliefs... they're just plain stubborn. You can't shove something like a dispensary in the face of someone like that, it just causes an explosion. Small steps are required, beliefs like that have to be gently overcome, not bulldozed.

Then there's the fact that dispensaries are just not necessary. The current system of 5 patients per caregiver more than compensates for the current establishment.

If we took our efforts in making dispensaries officially legal, and put them into organizing a real cooperative of MMMJ growers, we would see a system where a central hub could serve as a host to localized clubs and networks. Under that framework, you'd have a network that could provide caregivers with a place to legitimately acquire medicine if a patient needed something that you could not provide at the present time. Tweak the law a tiny bit and you can make exchanges between caregivers completely legal, and the whole system becomes an almost perfect vehicle for medical cannabis production and distribution, all without legalizing dispensaries.

An obvious way in which dispensaries flout the law is by circumventing the caregiver. A patient is allowed ONE.... ONE caregiver in Michigan. This poses a serious problem to a caregiver whose patient strolls down to the dispensary and fills out the paperwork. If that stuff gets sent in, he's just lost a patient and may never know it, all while possibly holding what has now become illegal bud and growing 12 illegal plants on the patient's behalf. Then there's the patient side of the equation... After he's gone to the dispensary and they've taken the paperwork and sent it into the state, the next time he goes to his original caregiver, the patient and the caregiver are now in violation of the law because they've just participated in the illegal sale of a controlled substance.

In closing, despensaries are just redundant. Clubs are what we truly need, clubs that do not sell medicine and confuse a very precise system, but clubs that merely unite the community in a place where the spirit of the system we've been given can be honored.
 
and put them into organizing a real cooperative of MMMJ growers, we would see a system where a central hub could serve as a host to localized clubs and networks.
its already happening in one of our central counties with water.

4 trailers gutted and outfitted with DWC buskets hooked to a giant res. 100+ plants every 4months X4 trailers.:eyesmoke:its slick
 

sniffer

Well-Known Member
its legal to make homemade beer and wine ,
but not legal to make homemade marijuana ?
i call bullshit
 

LordWinter

New Member
Well Jesus, while I think its an awesome idea to share a growing area like that, that's actually a gray area in the law since it isn't addressed specifically. I'd warn those caregivers that that kind of operation could get more attention than they want.

What I was thinking of was more of a Farmer's Market type setup. Bear in mind that my concept is also a gray area of the law, it is also the reason I advocate clubs. You'd have a neutral place for the caregivers to come and exchange excess meds with caregivers who had shortages and couldn't supply the patients, it also provides a setting to exchange clones, seeds, and possibly even custom growing products and supplies. This is also vastly more supportive of our caregiver/patient system than dispensaries, and adds transparency that would bring much-needed legitimacy to our community.

Edit: It's also important to be sure that patients who aren't also caregivers would not be able to visit this market. This is similar, if not identical, in concept to wholesale distributors only allowing people with Tax-ID's to purchase from them.

Dispensaries also abuse the system, in addition to confusing the initial caregiver and risking their incarceration, they detract from our legitimacy and our image by putting people in the press for breaking the part of the law that says we may only service 5 patients.

All in all, with the system we were given, pushing for dispensaries makes us look like spoiled children who wants what is still on the shelves more than toys he got to bring home.
 

deprave

New Member
The strain name game started long ago OVERSEAS. It's one thing to call someone out, but to group all americans into one heap is basically some small-minded anger that has completely misfired and is misdirected, but thanks for your overeducated views.



fail to see the point.

If someone looks "healthy" going into any of those places, maybe it's because the medicine is working for them.
Why are you profiling people who look "healthy" ?
I have a healthy appearance.
Does that mean I don't have a million things wrong with me, and I am somehow abusing the MMP system because I appear to be healthy ?
People shouldn't be shamed into thinking they are doing anything wrong by participating in nature and science, and going into anywhere where those kind of activities are taking place.
As far as not seeing Ms.Jones, I saw my 6th grade science teacher the other day at the club, so I guess I fail to see the point here either.
I strongly disagree with the alchemist gentlemen who stated that it is healthy looking kids walking in and out of dispansaries and the like all day long, I have been witness to quite the opposite, when I visit compassion clubs and dispensaries over these past years the large majority of visitors to these places are ELDERLY and DISABLED - NOT YOUNG HEALTHY KIDS - YOUNG HEALTHY KIDS CAN GET THEIR OWN WEED FOR CHEAPER THEY DONT NEED A DISPENSARY!

Stop Perpetuating the lie spawned by jealousy that only young & healthy people go to dispensaries because infact I have been witness to the exact opposite, the only young people at these sites are caregivers and workers.
 

deprave

New Member
Failing to see my point. It's not people like you and I that are causing trouble. Its those who have NO idea about marijuana. There a lot of ignorant out there, especially older folks who do see people going to these places. Many folks DO think it is or should be for the cancer/extremely sick. Im not against there being a handful of places throughout the state. BUt some people wanna flood the market like California.

And yes, the name game is out of hand and some bullshit, but if I had a good caregiver whom I trusted, then chances are I would hear a lot less bullshit if any. too many unknowns at a dispensary. you have to take a strangers word for it, not too mention trust that the owners arent running their business shady when youre name is on some piece of paper in a file
I am really having a difficult time understanding your argument about strain names? unless you grow a clone from the same plant as another your phenotype will be unique, example if you get trainwreck from one grow the next trainwreck you get from another grow is going to be different unless its an exact clone grown with a simuliar environment, so really your whole argument about strain names is kind of irrelevant, unless my og#18 is a clone from your grow or clone from the same source as you even if I grow exactly the same as you my og#18 can be much different. sorry if I misinterpreted your comments, I understand your argument is directed at people that make up names from bagseed and don't grow with genetics in mind - and the fact most people are terrible at growing and have no idea the science of what they are doing I share this frustration, however, to point at the source of this frustration as strain names is largely irrelevant, your frustration is stemmed from growers who don't understand marijuana genetics and not 'strain names', just to clarify to others who don't have the same understanding as knowledgeable growers regarding genetics.
 

fletchman

Active Member
I strongly disagree with the alchemist gentlemen who stated that it is healthy looking kids walking in and out of dispansaries and the like all day long, I have been witness to quite the opposite, when I visit compassion clubs and dispensaries over these past years the large majority of visitors to these places are ELDERLY and DISABLED - NOT YOUNG HEALTHY KIDS - YOUNG HEALTHY KIDS CAN GET THEIR OWN WEED FOR CHEAPER THEY DONT NEED A DISPENSARY!

Stop Perpetuating the lie spawned by jealousy that only young & healthy people go to dispensaries because infact I have been witness to the exact opposite, the only young people at these sites are caregivers and workers.

Young healthy kids are getting approved by doctors for their card, that is a fact.
 

fletchman

Active Member
I am really having a difficult time understanding your argument about strain names? unless you grow a clone from the same plant as another your phenotype will be unique, example if you get trainwreck from one grow the next trainwreck you get from another grow is going to be different unless its an exact clone grown with a simuliar environment, so really your whole argument about strain names is kind of irrelevant, unless my og#18 is a clone from your grow or clone from the same source as you even if I grow exactly the same as you my og#18 can be much different. sorry if I misinterpreted your comments, I understand your argument is directed at people that make up names from bagseed and don't grow with genetics in mind - and the fact most people are terrible at growing and have no idea the science of what they are doing I share this frustration, however, to point at the source of this frustration as strain names is largely irrelevant, your frustration is stemmed from growers who don't understand marijuana genetics and not 'strain names', just to clarify to others who don't have the same understanding as knowledgeable growers regarding genetics.

I went into a dispensary once, there was a strain called "Badass" so I asked the owner what it was, he couldn't answer, he just said it was badass, LOL!

People make up names for the shit they grow all the time, it's kinda funny.
 

Pimpernickel

Well-Known Member
The bill does not seem to ban dispensaries to me, I believe it exempts them with these lines; "17 (iii) PROPERTY WHERE MARIHUANA IS LEGALLY DISPENSED UNDER THE
18 MICHIGAN MEDICAL MARIHUANA ACT, 2008 IL 1, MCL 333.26421 TO 19 333.26430."

It looks like it only bans Marijuanna bars, that is establishments like regular alcohol bars for marijuana. That may include compassion clubs, I'm not sure I've never been to one.
 

hic

Well-Known Member
silly downstate politicians. Thats what you get with democrats.

Here is my POV

I grow my own and what little overages I do have are properly dispensed around "my group."

I have never nor will I ever go into a dispensary and pay their bloated prices or try and sell my goods to them. This is medicine and it has been made legal under that understanding.

Trying to profit for medical marijuana is plain wrong until everyone that suffers has been taken care of.

Am I on my soap box, Fuck Yes!! I hate dispensary's and the unwanted attention they bring, last week in Traverse City one was broken into.
I am 100% backing the patients right to grow their own and what they do with it after that is their decision.

But on the other hand I agree with no more regulation that does not lead to legalization and decriminalization.

I am with J.O.C on this one.

There was a time when I really was considering helping get a dispencary along but after really seeing what they are.. I would not take part one. We do not need any here in Michigan.

We do however need a place for people that do not want to break any laws in the way of obtaining genetics "legally". We do need that "compassion clubs" perhaps may be all we need?
 
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