Molasses?

sleeper05 said:

So I was pretty much set on going out tomorrow and buying some of this until now that I read that it's for soil grows and not hydro. SOMEONE SHOULD PUT THAT AT THE START SO NO GROWS ARE ROYALLY FUCKED. Probably just flush the whole system but still, pain in the ass.

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So you read the title maybe the first post then skip to the last page?

...um 1st page 6th post dealt with the fact that hydro is not a good idea.. I know it is a long one filled with some stupid stuff back and forth and if you skiped THAT I would understand but NOT READING THE 1st PAGE? I am sure you just forgot after having to read all the other 9 pages. Here is a little FRIENDLY ADVICE, maybe it's a good idea to double check before you post, let alone decide if you are going to use something you saw posted in some thread on the internet....

Not trying to be a dick about this but, NOT reading posts thoroughly is what started all the stupid ass comments and bickering back and forth in this thread already and this thread was meant to be informative about MOLASSES not a bitchfest thread... HINT!!! HINT!!!


I asked Tech to not be rude and I will ask all others that want to post in this thread to please read what you are going to post and make sure it is not directed in a rude or mean way, this has happened one too many times already, PLEASE.. Lets stick to the topic..

MMM.... teenage daughter....



BTW, HOP.....
Regardless of any justification you may have....

I reiterate my previous statement.... Annoyingly unnecessary your post was.

Kludge said:

You're absolutly right. I mean if I saw shit on a hydroponics setup I'd try to wipe the hydroponics off the shit but it's fine for you.

Hey, it's like, I'm not SAYING hydroponics is only done by low life douchebags that have sex with their mothers... I'm just saying.

Please. A person that has to make themselves feel tall by standing on the corpses of others isn't a tall man at all; he's just a midget with bloody shoes.

Admit you were wrong, learn a life lesson, grow a little, and then go sleep with your neighbor's teenage daughter... oh wait, ignore that last part.

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what the fuck?
"I mean if I saw shit on a hydroponics setup I'd try to wipe the hydroponics off the shit but it's fine for you." hahahahahahahahahahahah

thats fucking funny

sir smokesalot said:

what the fuck?
"I mean if I saw shit on a hydroponics setup I'd try to wipe the hydroponics off the shit but it's fine for you." hahahahahahahahahahahah

thats fucking funny

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I try

techhead420 said:

Well Einsteins, here's a peer reviewed white paper that demonstrates how inefficient adding carbos to soil is. Only 0.6% uptake to new shoots. Unfortunately this process also lowers oxygen levels in the root zone. Low oxygen levels will encourage fungi and harmful bacteria.​

ABSTRACT:
"The flow of carbon from roots into the rhizosphere represents a significant C loss from plants. However, roots have the capacity to recapture low molecular weight C from soil although this is in direct competition with soil microorganisms. The aim of this study was to investigate the behaviour of glucose in rhizosphere and non-rhizosphere soil, the plant’s potential to recapture sugars from soil and translocation and utilization of the recaptured sugars. In microcosms containing maize plants we injected 14C-glucose into the rhizosphere and followed its uptake into plants, upward and downward transport in the plant and soil, evolution as 14CO2 and incorporation into the soil microbial biomass. These fluxes were compared with non-rhizosphere soil. Glucose was rapidly mineralized in
soil and the rate of turnover was significantly greater in the rhizosphere in comparison to non-rhizosphere soil. The amount of glucose captured by the maize plants was low (<10% of the total 14C-glucose added) in comparison to that captured by the soil microbial biomass. Only small amounts of the 14C-glucose were transported to the shoot (0.6% of the total). The degree of glucose capture by maize roots whilst in competition with soil microorganisms was similar to similar experiments performed for amino acids. We conclude that while plant roots can recapture low molecular weight C from the rhizosphere, intense competition from soil microorganisms may reduce the efficiency of this process."​

https://www.uni-hohenheim.de/~kuzyakov/K_SBB_2006_Glucose-Uptake-Maize.pdf​

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dude let it go.

techhead420 said:

No where in botany are you going to find a peer reviewed white paper supporting the claim that plants can take up any sugars or other carbohydrates through their roots.... NEVER been found to work outside of tissue culture and some weak evidence in helping seedlings.

BS, BS....BS!

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Guess you found one huh? 0.60% not a lot but it is a little more than nothing, so they CAN take up sugars, just not very good at it and not very much at a time

here is another excerpt:

"While plant roots have been shown many times to actively take up simple sugars from an external solution"




IF he responds again who is taking bets on the odds of this guy actually admitting his mistake?

I got my money on NO, with a parlay that he will try to come up with some more rude comments and call everyone (me included) Einstein's.....maybe he thinks posting this informative link is the equivalent?

Gotta hand it to Tech, as rude and arrogant as he can be the link he posted is a pretty good read, have not read the whole thing but have scanned here and there... on 858 it has some interesting stuff, for those like me with a limited education and don't always understand them there big words realz good like here are some of the highlights that stood out for me:

- previous experiments have indicated that approximately 45% of the glucose-C taken up by roots is subsequently respired as CO2 (Jones and Darrah, 1992).


- The root and soil parts located above the part in which
the glucose was injected recovered higher C amounts
than the respective below parts. This is clear evidence
that glucose was preferably transported with the main
upward water stream. This upward directed transport of
glucose was about two times higher than the downward
transport.

- The uptake of sugars by roots from a range of crop plants
grown in sterile hydroponic solutions is well documented
(Xia and Saglio, 1988; Jones and Darrah, 1993; Vucinic and
Vuletic, 1995; Sacchi et al., 2000; Stubbs et al., 2004).
Further, the addition of sucrose to agar is regularly used as a
mechanism for enhancing the growth of Arabidopsis
thaliana plants in the laboratory (Sherson et al., 2000). In
addition, in Arabidopsis the external supply of sugar to the
roots has been shown to modulate adventitious rooting
(Takahashi et al., 2003).


- 4.4. Conclusions:
While plant roots have been shown many times to
actively take up simple sugars from an external solution, this
is the &#64257;rst study that demonstrates this phenomenon in a
rhizosphere soil context. However, our study shows that the
rhizosphere microbial community are highly effective in
competing for this resource.






Hope that helps those that don't want read the link contents...

wow, this is one hot topic!

The elements in molasses are certainly beneficial to a plant, iron, calcium, magnesium, zinc, etc. These nutrients will help a plant grow... but...

If sugars are applied directly to soil, it is the fastest way to lower available nitrogen in that soil. By feeding micro-organisms in soil (with glucose, fructose, maltose, etc) they will rapidly start consuming and holding nutrients, effectively locking them from being used by the plant.

I see many more pictures on this site of classic nutrient burns compared to deficiencies it seems. Feeding with molasses or sugar is a quick way to bring down nitrate levels during flowering. I have a hunch many are just correcting for an abundance of nutrient.

Sugar is so effective at reducing nitrate levels that people are starting to use is as an organic weed spray. (try googling this)

I can see how many people have had success molasses, for two main reasons
1- It lowers nitrogen and other keys nutrients, reducing vigor of the plant. (keeping that burn under control)
2- It contains some valuable elements (if you are not already giving them).

I have said my piece, but who the f*ck am i anyway?

just to add to my last post, if you do use molasses, the thicker and blacker and fuller the better, black molasses has a much higher concentration of minerals and elements to sugar (which is no good).

I am only talking for soil growers here.

Molasses + hydroponics = fermentation (unless you have a heppa filter on the intake or you are very lucky). Makes a pretty shitty tasting 0.001 percent beer, lol.

A Sweet End to Weeds

i found a link,

we'll see where this ends up.

Best advise i can give is, if you get massive buds and you feed molasses then keep doing so.
If you get massive buds without it then i wouldn't start.

The most important thing is to enjoy the grow and the smoke.

good post thanks for your input!

I use a product called heavy wieght from my hydro store. The ingredients say 100%
molasses. I pour 2 oz. for 7 gal. into my DWC 6 plant rubbermaid w/ 4 12" airstones
and a 400W digital ballast. Grow room is 3x5 x 8' tall. I can tell you for a fact that it DOES not fuck up my rez water. I change rez once a week,& PH, although I could get away with twice a month I now think. Any way my buds seem to like the molasses.
I have no scientific proof. But I do check my girls EVERYDAY when its close to harvest time and see no ill effects from molassaes. I feed only into the last 3 weeks of flowering. Just my routene. But it works for me.

alka said:

wow, this is one hot topic!

The elements in molasses are certainly beneficial to a plant, iron, calcium, magnesium, zinc, etc. These nutrients will help a plant grow... but...

If sugars are applied directly to soil, it is the fastest way to lower available nitrogen in that soil. By feeding micro-organisms in soil (with glucose, fructose, maltose, etc) they will rapidly start consuming and holding nutrients, effectively locking them from being used by the plant.

I see many more pictures on this site of classic nutrient burns compared to deficiencies it seems. Feeding with molasses or sugar is a quick way to bring down nitrate levels during flowering. I have a hunch many are just correcting for an abundance of nutrient.

Sugar is so effective at reducing nitrate levels that people are starting to use is as an organic weed spray. (try googling this)

I can see how many people have had success molasses, for two main reasons
1- It lowers nitrogen and other keys nutrients, reducing vigor of the plant. (keeping that burn under control)
2- It contains some valuable elements (if you are not already giving them).

I have said my piece, but who the f*ck am i anyway?

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Some pages back I happened to make this point, as people in the reefkeeping world are learning the efficacy of using different forms of carbohydrates in order to do exactly that, fix nitrate (very problematic when one's trying to keep corals that evolved in nutrient-poor waters). Even using VODKA.

Budsworth said:

I use a product called heavy wieght from my hydro store. The ingredients say 100%
molasses.

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Just make sure you aren't getting ripped off. I get Brer Rabbit Black Strap Molasses for between $3 to $4 for 12 oz at my local grocery store.

Kludge said:

Just make sure you aren't getting ripped off. I get Brer Rabbit Black Strap Molasses for between $3 to $4 for 12 oz at my local grocery store.

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12oz Plantation unsulfered Blackstrap for 3 dollars at my store. And its organic of course.

All we get 'round here is Grandma's. I like Brer Rabbit, reminds me of the stories I heard when I was a kid. And, for some reason, it also reminds me of grits. We're almost out of grits, too.

the molasses is a wonderful source of potassium, with calcium and manganese. i've been putting it in my soil 1 tblspn/ gallon. shits great.

I like to eat it, straight out of the jar.

All I can say is WOW. What a lively conversation. I have been using molasses for about 2 years. I have absolutely no scientific proof it helps - only what I have seen with my own eyes. Since I started using it, I have seen an increase in resin and an increase in density of the kolas. I use the same nutrients, same strains (clones) - same soil type - same everything. Just added molasses - 1/2 tbs per gallon. It works for me and my avatar seems happy

Although I don`t like it out of the jar - I do like the cookies

genisis said:

All I can say is WOW. What a lively conversation. I have been using molasses for about 2 years. I have absolutely no scientific proof it helps - only what I have seen with my own eyes. Since I started using it, I have seen an increase in resin and an increase in density of the kolas. I use the same nutrients, same strains (clones) - same soil type - same everything. Just added molasses - 1/2 tbs per gallon. It works for me and my avatar seems happy.

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Bottom line; If you see a dif then that's what matters.