Monsanto cannabis yes or no? The DNA Protection Act of 2013

ginjawarrior said:

utter drivel

roundup has a half life of 30 days

it does not permanently kill the soil

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ginjawarrior said:

yeah the farmers didnt give a fuck about their ip either

i see you've watched some emotive video's about just how evil monsanto is but you arent able to provide any links to cases where the farmer hasnt deliberately tried to grow round up ready seeds when they havent paid to

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Dr Kynes said:

WRONG!!!!!

too many assumptions.

not all farmers use roundup, not all farmers contract for crops, not all farmers use GMO crops, not all farmers use synthetic fertilizers, and many farmers DO let the ground lie fallow periodically, using their feilds as pasturage between cash crops.

some farmers use a 3 crop rotation, some use a two crop rotation and some grow a particular crop under contract for steady cash. your argument is now a poorly thought out condemnation of farmers who sign contracts with evil corporations rather than trusting the local farmer's market and swanky restaurants to keep his mortgage paid. some farmers grow barley for anheiser busch, some farmers grow wheat for pillsbury (and those contracts require particular cultivars as well) some farmers grow livestock feed, and some grow "biofuel" crops for city slicker cash. contracts and corporations are not evil any more than GMO's are. your beliefs and prejudices about farming have no basis in reality, and if you were the secretary of agriculture, every small farmer in the US would be FUCKED by your faulty beliefs

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cannabineer said:

The problem is compounded by the nature of the Internet. The info on it is either mass media or blogs ... pure opinion with very little researchable fact. The keepers of the real libraries use pay gates. Citing a blog is no way to conduct a discourse on society. cn

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ginjawarrior said:

ahh the rise of the sock puppet

let me guess your vote has just been added

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DNAprotection said:

Well the poll went to 100 votes and beyond so it is time for me to keep my word to the SHDT and fly like a Monsanto pig, first though just a few ends to tie up.

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Just thought the above was worth reposting for those who seek truth.




Truth is everywhere and nowhere cn, and with a corporate gov like ours one must find the 'truth' where one can...everything is relative and relavent and represents a number you could say.



Frank I can now answer that bit about 'scientific' which in part I have already answered within this thread and even just now above to cn.
After recapping what I posted in response to this bit which you have still yet to respond to then go on and read the rest and bring your wits cuz you'll need your best:





In summery, I want to simply reiterate that life itself and all that exists if seen as numbers represents a 'great' or the greatest equation.
Every behavior, physical appearance and everything about everything and anything is represented by a number in that equation.
Everything everywhere survives in symbiotic relationships with everything else either directly or indirectly.
Each and every symbiotic interaction also creates and represents new numbers in the greatest equation.
The numbers are seemingly endless and simply beyond our calculative abilities at this point in our growth as a species.
When the collective nature designs DNA it automatically knows the numbers of the entire equation and thereby can properly design genetic maps in ways and for reasons that we have only just begun to understand, we have stepped on the first step of the ladder on the way to understanding one might say.
Humans and our still untamed quest for 'gold' or what we still equate as 'riches' are attempting to design DNA and or solve genetic equations that we simply don't know all the numbers for and even one wrong number or one missing number or one out of order number could result in a devastating chain reaction of events that could prove terminal for our species as well as many others.
So it is not and has never been a debate on whether or not GMO's are 'good or bad', that's the debate govs and corps need us to be having because it is unresolvable with the currently known numbers and we will chase each others tails while the corporate run gov keeps on down this dangerous road unchecked by the people.
Currently whether in court or getting something approved by the FDA the corps only needs show that their products or creations are 'not harmful', which is a fairly easy task when neither the corps or the FDA have all the numbers to really prove or disprove such a thing in the short term let alone long term.
The real court and FDA test would be to require that the corps show that they know all the numbers and because of such they know how to design and are convinced that all numbers will interact in non harmful and beneficial ways in the short terms and for generations to come, but they can't give any such showing because they simply don't have the numbers at this point and that point is simply undeniable and non-debatable. Thus all who have jumped on this thread to 'prove' their points about GMO's not being proved harmful have spent every post in drowning irrelevance to the real question we are faced with as a species and the question this thread and the DNA Act proposal seeks to address:
Do we know enough yet?
and,
Are we mature enough yet?
This thread and all its many links to available info and including as 'evidence' the bs and SHDT spam banter reflects as good a representation of all sides and all concerns in the GMO issue as I have seen anywhere.
The only non debatable point though is the one that prevails in the end, 'we don't know all the numbers to the equation' and beyond that we are still clearly unduly motivated by dangerous prejudicial traits already influence everything we do or say or write.
So based on this thread alone the unavoidable answer to bot questions above would clearly be:
No.
and,
No.
It is actually the people who insist we are ready and do know enough, by their very position and disposition 'prove' we are not ready and still lack the knowledge and maturity to engage such technologies, much as a child rushes into a circumstance that they had no idea would turn out to be disastrous simply for lack of information and the maturity to be self-aware of such.
With the awareness of the lack of knowledge, the more mature child would be very much more cautious in approaching and thereby show a greater readiness to engage such technology responsibly when all the numbers of life's seemingly endless interactive equations are known, and, if need be.
Most on this poll have voted 'no' to genetically engineered cannabis, over 3-1, that exhibits a self awareness that if one was attempting to add 10 numbers and yet it was clear that you only had or knew 1 or 3 of those numbers at best, there is no way to add correctly yet, worse is we don't even know the number we are trying to add up to, we only guess its a 10. Still further there are numbers between the numbers and numbers between those and so on and none of which have we even begun to understand.
In terms of survival and preservation of all we symbiotically must survive with, a thinking self aware human would naturally be scrambling all hands on deck to protect this planets DNA offspring from the on going redesigning of such by the corps and their puppet govs who clearly and undeniably know not what they do when adding anything but money and power and control and the prejudices that are required to help perpetuate such behaviors.
So in other words this thread was an exercise/test/challenge in self awareness.
The folks who instantly reflex into assuming, accusing, spamming and demanding 'facts' in their apparent blindness to the undeniable 'fact' of the lack of 'facts' are much like Custer charging on into the little big horn shall we say and paying no mind to adding or even having all the numbers to add first, and so the yes votes on this threads poll can be seen in part as representing the non-viability traits of our species.
Conversely the 'no' votes on this threads poll in their recognition or awareness of the lack of 'facts' can in part be seen as representing the viability traits of our species.
The 'no' votes should give us all encouragement that we can survive and grow and the 'yes' votes and lack of self awareness and other traits within there as exampled by the postings within this thread should show us how hard we need to work to get to a place of continued survival and evolution.
The 'yes' votes and the people here who cast them are mostly 'benign' compared to the 'malignant' people making corporate/gov policy in the USA on this and every other issue.
Every other issue can and does have bad enough consequences as the state of the economy, wars and health or cancer rates etc currently reflects, but this issue of genetic engineering can make the consequences of all other policies put together seem miniscule in comparison.
Life cannot be 'recalled' once that chain of numbers is set in motion, we are not talking about a product failing etc...this effects us all in every way and can easily effect us into extinction if we act as Custer and his crew did.
The corporate gov is charging ahead as we speak just like Custer did.
Your inherent rights to access the commons of nature for your survival and your rights and responsibilities to defend the genetics of yourself and all else in this nature that we are all part of, far outweighs any reach a corp or gov has to destroy such whether intentionally or not in their quest and the motives for such.
Now is the short timed window chance you have to stand up and protect your genetics and the blueprints of all life on this planet before Custer gets to far into the all out charge ahead.
That battle in part will be fought here in cyberspace, but the real fight is outside of these virtual walls and is at hand.
Your choice, even 'if you choose not to decide you still have made a choice' (as RUSH would say), still represents a number, all those numbers will add up to whatever they may be...I hope the sum total is as viable as this thread and poll have been in helping to determine the aforementioned conclusions.
My undying thanks to all who participated and or viewed.
To all who voted 'no', "so shines a good deed in a weary world"...
Good luck, Sincerely,
DNAprotection


[video=youtube;d6wRkzCW5qI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=d6wRkzCW5qI[/video]

ps. My advice for the SHDT and all the other 'yes' voters who have displayed traits not unlike all the other Wonka gold ticketed kids, goes to that which was discussed earlier in this thread about the hard working bird v the easy street bird and when each is faced with a test, task or challenge not unlike this thread posed and is as follows:
While your banging your beaks on the glass hopelessly attempting to eat the grub or find the 'facts' that simply are yet missing from the collective cognitive knowledge of human kind, maybe at least observe those who voted 'no' and there reasoning, even if only interpreted as caution, because it is those birds who knew to use basic critical thinking to push beyond the glass centered washers illusion of assumptions based on 'what you know' and push it to the side so they could get to the grub or see beyond any known 'facts' in awareness or in the knowledge of the existence of the unknown 'facts' (lol...and that's not a Rumsfeld quote) which results in a cautious trouble shooting process in gaining that needed knowledge and thereby increasing the odds of survival to evolve another day, especially when speaking to the large scale main stream employment of such potentially chain reactive technologies.
Each moment in life is an opportunity to look around and reevaluate, this thread is nothing less than another one of those opportunities.


pss. The poll remains open for future voters here if there be such and changing your vote in the poll is within the variables of the parameters of this threads challenge and so is always an option simply by posting such, that applies especially to you dd because though you fight blindly for GMO's, somehow your vote was placed as a 'no' vote...lol trying to cover all the bases I guess, good for you...hope it all adds up for us all.


View Poll Results: Genetically Engineered Cannabis yes or no?

Voters123.

• yes
  
  22 17.89%
  
  • BBbubblegum,
  • BlazedMonkey,
  • Carne Seca,
  • ChesusRice,
  • Dr Kynes,
  • FootballFirst,
  • ftrfta,
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  • Harrekin,
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  • PurpleBuz,
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  • Stellah,
  • Stillbuzzin,
  • Taviddude,
  • tibberous
• no
  
  94 76.42%
  
  • abandonconflict,
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  • AltarNation,
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• undecided
  
  6 4.88%
  
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• what is GE cannabis?
  
  1 0.81%
  
  • Dislexicmidget2021

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beginner.legal.growop said:

EVERYONE! LEND ME YOUR EARS!

Do not vote for this stupid shit... Humans are part of nature and technology was the product of humans, therefore it was the product of nature... THEREFORE genetic engineering is standing side by side with nature screaming I WANT CANNABIS WITH HIGHER THC LEVELS!

Who knows, maybe if the US legalizes cannabis and every other country does too we could get THC levels higher than 50% or even plants that put out pure thc nugs (Not sure if that is possible but it sounds good)

Why is everyone so afraid to try new things, this is the 21st century. We have flying cars... Google made a car for blind people that drives it self, perfectly! Maybe with genetic engineering there wont be anymore babies born blind... Or maybe they can make us more resistant to diseases and birth defects... People might be saying, how do you know they can do that? Well how the f**k will we ever know if we havent tried, they can make plants and cattle more resistant to things so why not us? Because you retards who are against it are stopping them from ever trying. Everybody needs to put on their big boy pants and buckle up for the ride that is the future. Everyone needs to stop looking at what bad things could happen, because a lot of the time more good can come then bad.

So screw the 71.54% of people who said no to genetically engineered cannabis! (haha didnt notice its only like 80 people...)

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cannabineer said:

~test~ if you reply to this, that won't be me. ~/test~ cn

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DiverseSanctuary said:

LOL! From reading the conversation. I really don't think you are on the top of my list, when I think of the trolls here. I understand your moderating Peace

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DiverseSanctuary said:

LOL! From reading the conversation. I really don't think you are on the top of my list, when I think of the trolls here. I understand your moderating Peace

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Harrekin said:

What exactly is the problem with GM Cannabis out of interest? In a free market, you don't have to buy it...so why stop the people who want the 75% THC mega-plant?

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OGEvilgenius said:

Read the thread.

Good luck inventing a 75% THC mega plant. It won't happen in our life times for many reasons, most of them probably biological. If 75% of the plant were THC that wouldn't leave much for anything else.

No one would do it on a free market because you couldn't patent it and you can breed amazing cannabis far more easily and and with fewer potential lawsuits (because the FDA wouldn't be protecting GMO producers from their pollution).

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Harrekin said:

Don't be so childish, obviously I meant 75% of the resin content would be THC.

Good luck in life if your reading comprehension on a simple sentence is so poor.

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OGEvilgenius said:

The way some people are talking in this thread you can't assume anything. Thanks for the insult though.

I think the science lesson for children posted earlier is something you should review, perhaps it will shrink your ego down about 100 sizes.

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Harrekin said:

There is no "science lesson" in this thread thus far, science determines Genetic Engineering to be safe...you know, the way the folks who usually do it fit the description of "scientist" pretty well.

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In 1992, the US Food and Drug Administration claimed they had no information showing that GM foods were substantially different from conventionally grown foods. Therefore they were safe to eat – absolutely no safety studies were required. Companies like Monsanto, that told us Agent Orange, PCBs, and DDT were safe, are in charge of determining if their GM foods are safe. This is the current FDA policy.

But internal memos made public by a 1998 lawsuit reveal that their position was staged by political appointees who were under orders from the White House to promote GMOs. In addition, the FDA official in charge of creating this policy was Michael Taylor, Monsanto’s former attorney, later their vice president, and now the FDA’s US Food Safety Czar.


In reality, FDA scientists had repeatedly warned that GM foods can create unpredictable, hard-to-detect side effects, including allergies, toxins, new diseases, and nutritional problems. They urged long-term safety studies, but were ignored.

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This thread is full of pseudo science (at best) and paranoid hyperbole (at worst) from the anti-GM side.

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Sure Monsanto might have unfair business practices at times and you may disagree with bioengineering in general, but the above Bill stops all research or makes research difficult and unprofitable (thus making it impossible).

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It does NOTHING to stop Monsanto patenting DNA sequences/their crosses either.

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cannabineer said:

Yah, but notice potpimp did not respond? I am now convinced he meant me. That is sad and a bit amazing to me; I thought we got along. cn

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OGEvilgenius said:

I fully believe we're going to become extinct. It will be our own fault. Because our egos are way too big.




There's an extended summary available here and photos of the documents on the same website elsewhere:
http://www.biointegrity.org/ext-summary.html





You mean like claims that GMO's are safe? Maybe a few are. It's unlikely most are. Because we have no fucking idea what we're doing and we have no idea what the unknown byproducts actually do (we know they exist) because we have no serious studies done.



I'm not really in favor of banning the research. I am a libertarian. But if you put a gun to my head and say 'liberty or no release of IP GMO's everywhere' I'd choose the latter. It's one of the rare times I would. But that's mostly because IP law exists. Get rid of patent law and I suspect GMOs are nowhere near the danger they present both liberty and the environment as a whole.



If you'd been reading what I've written constantly I'd say that abolishing patent law is one of the most important things that has to happen today for the betterment of all (even those who think they benefit from this, they are ultimately fucking themselves over in the long run).

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Harrekin said:

Ok well in that case cannabis is a demon drug, it should be banned, it has unknown effects on the brain! Forget the fact people have been smoking it for years with no harmful effects, ban it out of fear!

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OGEvilgenius said:

Talk about disjointed logic. I didn't say anything should be banned, first off (except if forced gun to head option a or b, neither or which is preferrable). MJ has quite well known effects on t he brain actually. It's been used for thousands of years and is well proven. GMO organisms? Not quite.

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