More light worth it?

skunkd0c

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I have come to believe the common belief that more light in the final weeks = more yields is not true. (most of the time)
I've found about the opposite. Intense lighting was more beneficial during the first 4 weeks for optimal growth to setup the stature of the plant.

I have tilted 2 600s in towards a center 600 with 4 plants under it.. ((hps) - (hps) - (hps)) plants under the center light.. The plants under the two outer lights had finished so I tilted the two outer light inward..

What I found was that the plants did not yield any more than they did with just a single light over them for the final 3 wks.. Maybe a few more grams, but, not anywhere near being a good return on investment.

The exception to that rule was with a long flowering sativa (14+ wks)..
Skundoc.. if i remember right.. you grow some sativas, so, not surprised to hear you are working with some high light levels late in flower.
I think the reason why longer sativas show returns from more light is that
these plants don't go through the wk 5/6 explosion.. they just gradually bulk.. these plants (and sativas in general) seem to yield more with more light later on.. Indica leaning hybrids though (95% of what I see on RIU)... no change. Might as well save on your elec bill and stick with the same light you used earlier in flower.

Different rooms/genetics/etc show different results... This could have been phenomena limited to my past grows.. but the results were clear.

It makes sense though.. Think about when the plant is eating up nutes... wk 2 - wk 5 on your usual hybrid.. Wk 6.7,8.. not much. If you fed the plant enough N through the first 5 wks, they barely even need fed. Unless you fed 1-3-2 through flower.. then it will always look hungry and won't be as clear to see as it was for me.. feeding more like 3-1-2.

If you run recirc hydro then testing ppm through flower would be an easy way to confirm what I said up there and/or see if this is a "truth" that applies to your grow or some bullshit that won't work for you.

I would expect to hear the argument that the plant is not consuming nutes from the nute solution late in flower because it has stored up feed from feeding through the first 5 wks.. To that I would just say that adding light didn't add yields in my garden, whatever the explanation behind it.. no dice.

The fact that the plants are not using many nutes in the final 3 wks seems right in line after seeing that doubling lighting for the final 3 wks did very little for a standard hybrid. If it isn't using nutes.. what does it need more light for?
It's one of those things that is for our mind more so than for the plant... ya know... more is better kinda thing..
my last 2 plants needs 2 lights to fully cover it 1 is not enough, i could use 2x 400w but they quite tall im not too worried about electricity cost of another 400w
personally i have found plants can be started off with just 250's until buds develop then the light can be increased
they do not need much light to start flowering if you have shading issues this maybe a problem
i would not expect dramatic improvement with yield but i would expect some increase when the plants become saturated with light
the colas become as dense as possible

peace
 

BatCave

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Get a 1000w digital and dial it back to 750w. I ran mine at 1000w for 9 months with temps 83 to 86, dialed it back to 750w a year ago and never looked back. Temps are 78 to 82 running it at 750w 18" away, still get great coverage, and it is just about perfect for a 4x4 tent.
 

JohnnySocko

Active Member
wow, I originally had a 600W in a 4x4 tent using a cool tube and noticed growth was a lil weak around the perimeter....
I got a much better hood with a decent spread and now I can't imagine using anything stronger than a 600W...I'm seeing pretty sturdy colas all around the outside edges of my scrog....

just thinking about the value of a decent reflector...
 

JohnnySocko

Active Member
Get a 1000w digital and dial it back to 750w. I ran mine at 1000w for 9 months with temps 83 to 86, dialed it back to 750w a year ago and never looked back. Temps are 78 to 82 running it at 750w 18" away, still get great coverage, and it is just about perfect for a 4x4 tent.
if I had a do-over it would be to get a 1000W light....I never considered the fact you can always dial it down...
the other thing I've noticed is the 1000W bulbs offer a better choice in price/variety over the 600W bulbs (which are sometimes actually more $$$)
 

BatCave

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I use a $45 Plantmax hps and the plants love it, cheap and readily available. I have ran the expensive bulbs but havent seen a different between them and my cheapo
 

^su

Active Member
Don't know if it's been said but you won't fit that many plants in that tent with those sizes of pots if you veg that long.
 

TexasHank

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Get a 1000w digital and dial it back to 750w. I ran mine at 1000w for 9 months with temps 83 to 86, dialed it back to 750w a year ago and never looked back. Temps are 78 to 82 running it at 750w 18" away, still get great coverage, and it is just about perfect for a 4x4 tent.
Nice. I like that idea. I have a 600w that dials back but I've never messed with the dial.
So, 750 does a 4x4 pretty well then?

Do you have many runs on a 600 vs the 750? Is the yield pretty right watt for watt?
 

dbkick

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They suggest 5k lumens per square foot for flower. You probably could go with around 7k lumens, after that it will most likely become overkill.
Overkill meaning photosynthesis slows/stops at anything over 5500 footcandles. can be pushed to 7000 indoors with the right stuff.
 

TexasHank

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my last 2 plants needs 2 lights to fully cover it 1 is not enough, i could use 2x 400w but they quite tall im not too worried about electricity cost of another 400w
personally i have found plants can be started off with just 250's until buds develop then the light can be increased
they do not need much light to start flowering if you have shading issues this maybe a problem
i would not expect dramatic improvement with yield but i would expect some increase when the plants become saturated with light
the colas become as dense as possible

peace
We have 2 different grows.. my plants go in pretty small and are expected to fill a bit of space. They take off, eat heavily and fill up space. In the first 5-6 wks they go from a small plant with LOTS of room to filling all available space and buds are all but complete. Those 6 wks take lots of water, light, nutrients and co2. The things that make a little tiny plant get big and full of all but complete flowers.

What needs to happen for the final 2-3 wks is trichs maturing and calyx swelling.. nothing that demands more light.. the opposite, less light, less nutrients, less water, less co2.. because the plant isn't doing much.

What is it in the final 2-3 wks that you find the plant needs more light for? Are you also using more nutes? water? co2?

I have noticed longer flowering sativas use more of the goods later in flower, but still a little less than early in flower.

If you take a plant and grow it into a larger space than you dedicated to it to start, then sure, more light will yield more.
But, that's just a style of growth.. not the plant using more light.. it is just more plant, because you grew big fucking plants that take up more space and use more of everything than they did when they started.
Like, with an 8-9 wk hybrid you would want the plants in the larger space by wk 4 or you are not going to get the benefits. It's still (say) 1200 watts over a 3x6.. you just only used 600 watts over a 3x3 to get the plant through the earlier parts of flower. You're not adding, you're taking from the earlier weeks.

Another way to do it is just spread the plants out under the lights.. large spaces and let them fill in the space.. If they overgrow it, remove branches. Ideally, you fill the space just right and don't need to waste water, nutes, light, etc on growth that will never produce buds.
sit the plant in one spot at Day 1 of flower and leave it.. in the corners.. then let the plant do its thing. With the right genetics, this way is very easy and works well.

condensing the plants for the early part of flower and then spreading the plants is a different way to do it that has its advantages. Like elec bill savings.
Giving the plants lots of space also has advantages. Different minds, genetics and setups will find a different "best" way.

Your grows have always been good Skunkdoc. I've seen some of your large plant grows. The large defoled sativa plants of yours come to mind. Great pics.

I wish I was still growing.. I'de try it out. I have tried it with a longer flowering sativa before.. I remember hitting pretty good yields. It worked well because the damn plant kept growing and growing. I could have let it go another month and got more weight. I just had to draw the line somewhere. Also, the smoke was good at 14 wks.
 
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