My First Grow and Journal

yeah, i have heard that bigger is better- but i have also heard ppl addimitly contend that there is no such thing as root bound if you give them good feeding, but what i do know and think we can all agree on is that bigger is easier because its hard to over kill them- over feed over water etc... and looking at your journal its clear they can overgrow and hella produce! so i appreciate my 5 gals, might down grade next grow to fit more in- but at this point flower 5 females under a 400 watt hps is going to be a stretch isnt it???

I am strongly considering building a pvc set up to put cfl lights right above the soil line to get those bottom buds and branches developing strongly? is this a good idea?
has it been done light that, and how do HPS and CFL combine for flowering spectrum, is it significantly better? anyone do this? or know anyone who does on this site?

400w Is A Little Stretch, But Im A 1000w Er. The Big Pots I Feel Saves Me Work. And Alot Of Not Packing The Water. The Space Is Allways The Main Issue For The Grow.... Plus Heat Light And Many Othier Factors. Im Sure U Know By Now. Lol And Yes On The Light, Its Like War" Lol The More Light U Can Get Down Field The Output Your Plant Will Give U... But That Is Mixed With, "they Will Need To Be Tied Up " As Not To Break,,, Stuff Like That Becomes Your Probs, Once Everything Is Under Controll. Thats About All I Realy Fight Now Is Timing The Tye Done. Db.~tlb!

I am coming up with more females than I am going to know what to do with... (this is actually a good thing- the dilemma is what to do with em)
This isnt a big problem because I was hoping I would have enough to get a mother plant and experiment with cloning- so that when i purchase seeds i have the knowhow to keep the strain alive over time through cloning.

However the dilemma is that for re-vegging the mothers I need a separate room... and a separate light... Can I get away with just using my 4ft FL shop light hanging over the plants, and 3 CFL's below the plants...?

I am thinking of having two mothers to clip clones from after I reveg them... I am curious as to whether my conception of this mothering room will suffice to grow my mothers from, re-veg them, and more importantly whether it will be enough to veg my clones in till they have rooted enough to put in flowering...

I have attached a pic of my conception of both my current flowering room and my idea of a mothering closet- does this look like it will work?

For the flowering room- will the CFL's along the bottom give me an increased yeild by bumping the production of lower limb buds...?

And for the vegging/Mothering room- will these 3 CFL's and two 4ft FL's above be enough to stimulate Veg growth after starting to flower for a week under an HPS...? And will Just those lights be enough to start clones... or do clones need their own direct lighting?

attached is my conception

Do it man. You wont have any regrets, especially if this crop turn out to be good. Do it now, just as they are sexed and you can get away with it. Ive only got tubes on mine and mother is producing loads of new growth under them with just a little nutes and water.

ok- how long have u re-vegged your mother before you clipped clones?

Yea, ugh..ugh, I want to thanks each and everyone one of yall for all ya done to yer bodies. It's still real to me damnit!! I mean, thank yall guys..yall are awesome. Thank you so much Mr (?) for sayen what needed to be say'd, I don't wanna see another one of these....

lol yes! I LOVE IT!

19/3/08 2 sativa Seedlings

i added another seed (indica) 4 days later

22/4/08 3 vegging on h20. Her on the right turned out to be the mother.

I changed the cycle somewhere in between these dates. Growth on my next photos look like 3-4 weeks flowering so im guessing I changed between the 1st and 7th of may?

21/5/08 Flowered 2 plants to this.


27/5/08 6 Sativa Cuttings that could have been taken sooner. i am a noob but they look well ready for cloning. still waiting to root.

29/5/08 Sativa Mom after her butchering with more Indica seeds on the go.


Mom has just had a mental growth spurt, im gonna have to top her i think.
Hell im workin at 8 so to answer the question in short about 4 weeks. Hope this gives you something to go on

Update Today: Mothering begins.

I now have 2 grow rooms, a flowering room that alternates to a vegging room with that MH/HPS ballast and bulb combo.

And the newly created mothering closet- in the opposite corner of the basement where its 24 hour light cycle cannot disturb the flowering plants.

Terry and Heather are both mothers, congradulations to them- i picked them out for their decent genetics- Terry is a sort of sativa ish hybird and heather looks to be a strong indica... Its more for practice than preserving there genetics- although it will be nice to know that my next grow wont have to start from seed- and wont have to be sexed.

I have also added once red light spectrum CFL to my flowering room- planning on getting more- but they were out... idk... And one red light spectrum CFL to my mothering room- i know i know- i need the blue 5000k+ ones yes. they were out... I will have those and will be doing the exact conception I posted in earlier pics...

Dr. Jones has said that about 4 weeks to re-veg before I cut clones. Any others opinions?

What Light cycle should I leave them on when they are re-vegging. currently it is at 24 hrs- cause i dont yet have a timer... my thoughts are 24 hours is prly good for them to re-veg coming out of 12/12 because it should quickly tell them they are vegging again... and then in a week or two when i get a timer i will cut to 18-6.

Your Thought Processes And Patterns Of Action Are On The Money!!!
Keep It Up!!!............keep It Up And Stay Your Coarse.!
One Of The Buddies Took Clones Right Outa Bloom, Prob. Better For The Plant In The Reveg. To Clone Than Adding The Stress Of The Change Over And Right To Clone... If That Makes Any Sense...just Less For The Plant To Deal With. Db.

yea. i always wonder'd if u could even use a budding node as a clone. and re-veg it

U Can But It Just Adds For Time To The Show... Best Way For Time Shortness Is From The Grow Side At The 3-5 Wk. Mark Depending On How U Like To Run Your Gro. Db.~tlb!

Jtoth3ustin said:

yea. i always wonder'd if u could even use a budding node as a clone. and re-veg it

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Yea, see Spitten4Cash? His last grow was done this way.

Update- Flowering began 5-29-08:
Mid 2nd Week of Flowering:

So far so good, all the plants have been sexed... Sam, Jan, and Bert were all removed and destroyed on account of being male.

8 Plants remain. Of them 6 are flowering at 12/12 and 2 are re-vegging to become fat mothers at 18/6.

I bought bloom terra from supernatural and mixed the 2 teaspoons for 4 liters it recommended. This is their first full dose of nutes, and I give it to them every other watering, with the in between watering being molasses.

This to me, seems like a very high perscription of nutes... but its what the label calls for- and I really like the way they have taken to the molasses. Any others experience bloom terra nutrient from supernatural? or think this could be too strong a mixture?

They have been fed it for 2 waterings now and seem to enjoy it, no signs of burn? How long does that take to set in, if it were to burn them?

The plants are very tall and bushy as you will see in the pics, I have also been misting them with water with 1 drop of super thrive... The leaves are very healthy greens.

I've been paying close attention to them and its going well, but I am timid with nutes, so if any can advise on my mixture, its my first- next time i will invest in more expensive prly fox farm, but for now what do you think bout the bloom terra, molasses, super thrive mist?

And how do the pics look, check out those budsite's on the first one...
Gonna get more posted soon as well... low batteries...

First ones Helga, second is Holly, third is flowering room.

From what you are saying, they are taking to your nute regime very well. Id have expected to see some burn if you are at 2 waterings already. Are you on a weaker mix for now than what you will be giving them say in 6wks?

Its vitalink nutes I use, they are developed for use with UK water. Its very mild but its been OK for me, cheap and giving decent results so far.

Plants look great, very bushy and lots of bud-sites allready. The attention you have been giving these babies is quite clear.

OB, how are your re-vegging moms doin?

they are doing ok, seem to be growing slow- i imagine its because they are a little overwhelmed with getting ultra low flowering nutes and 12/12 for a week-one watering, and now adjusting to the 18/6 but they are plenty green, no burns, and definitely growing- but i am sure they miss their HPS/MH cuz they are only under two 4 ft. FL's... I will get pics of them soon, them and their new room...

I am at a lower mix than I will be, I will double it eventually. Which will be the max of what it calls for... And I will prly water with a direct dose of super thrive at like week 5 or 6, rather than just misting as i am.

Thanks for stickin round the thread!!!

All others welcome!

Cool, cant wait, yeah they are bound to miss the big lights but they'll be fine under the fl's.

What strains do you plan on growing next?