Nazi and KKK Terrorists denied the annual right to terrorize Charlottesville

Fogdog

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Notorious Charlottesville rally organizer withdraws permit request to mark one-year anniversary

Kessler said last year's events were critical to his application and the underlying message of the anniversary rally, which he described in his lawsuit as a "political demonstration."

In his application, he described the event as a demonstration "against government civil rights abuse" and its "failure to follow security plans" for the 2017 rally.
"We are opposing any changes to Lee (Emancipation) Park and memorializing the sacrifices made by political dissidents in Lee Park on August 12, 2017."

The city denied the application on the grounds that it would "present a danger to public safety." Kessler sued, claiming city officials violated his First Amendment rights by denying his request.

He requested a court order in March 2018 compelling the city to issue the permit, The withdrawal does not end the lawsuit, just his request for a court-ordered issuance of a permit, Charlottesville Acting City Attorney Lisa Robertson said in a statement.
 

Fogdog

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best thing about jason kessler is watching his fat nazi ass get chased away from his own press conference, getting tackled by a woman as he runs through the bushes


skip to 1 minute for it to get good
Oh looky. The woman tackled him saying "we love you". I bet Jason was converted from being a Nazi that very moment.

That and the last shot showing the hole in the armpit of the fellow Nazi's tee shirt were classic.
 

Fogdog

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In remembrance and respect to the good people who showed up to shove those Nazis back into their basements. The Nazi who ran over Heather Heyer and murdered her also created a martyr that day. The following week 50,000 people showed up to oppose Nazis in Boston. Nazis didn't even make an appearance. History will show Charlottesville riot and murder of a counter protester was a watershed moment and the peak of the alt right movement.
 

Bugeye

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Notorious Charlottesville rally organizer withdraws permit request to mark one-year anniversary

Kessler said last year's events were critical to his application and the underlying message of the anniversary rally, which he described in his lawsuit as a "political demonstration."

In his application, he described the event as a demonstration "against government civil rights abuse" and its "failure to follow security plans" for the 2017 rally.
"We are opposing any changes to Lee (Emancipation) Park and memorializing the sacrifices made by political dissidents in Lee Park on August 12, 2017."

The city denied the application on the grounds that it would "present a danger to public safety." Kessler sued, claiming city officials violated his First Amendment rights by denying his request.

He requested a court order in March 2018 compelling the city to issue the permit, The withdrawal does not end the lawsuit, just his request for a court-ordered issuance of a permit, Charlottesville Acting City Attorney Lisa Robertson said in a statement.
A smart decision by the city to deny the application, regretful this was not done the previous year.
 

Fogdog

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A smart decision by the city to deny the application, regretful this was not done the previous year.
"regretful" (snicker)

After Charlottesville, it became harder for the alt.right to get permits.

Seems that stating the obvious last year -- that a crowd of howling idiotic young men touting Nazi and KKK regalia, shields, helmets, carrying weapons and publicly promising mayhem -- wasn't enough for the justice system to call the rally on the grounds of protecting the public. The ACLU was actively defending their right to demonstrate. Idiots showed up here in droves and the usual cast of left wing clowns showed up crying for the safety of the Nazis.

A month later, permits were denied in Berkeley of all places, the ACLU no longer defends violent racist group's applications and the City of Charlottesville had a new police chief as well as new policies. Not a single voice supporting the racist right's desire to demonstrate in Charlottesville or elsewhere has yet shown up in this thread.

Their silence here shows this kind of oppostion works. The successful defense in court this week of the denial of their permit is proof that a stern committed opposition to fascism and racism is effective in suppressing them.
 
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Fogdog

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Meet my local nazi

I bet he carries his camera to record the harassment he quite rightly receives.

I looked up an article on this dickhead and others that have become active ever since Trump and the racist GOP right gave cover for their activism:

PACIFIC NORTHWEST NEWS

Emboldened white nationalists? Look no further than this liberal Oregon college town
Posted December 29, 2017 at 05:00 AM | Updated December 29, 2017 at 08:49 PM
https://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2017/12/post_292.html

:This year has seen a flurry of racist and anti-Semitic activity across the city. Vandals have struck cars, storefronts and public property with painted swastikas. Repugnant messages and symbols have defaced schools, churches and the federal courthouse.

One employee of a local business told authorities that he came into work to find two nooses and a slur scrawled on his locker.

The vandalism and other hostility represent "an attack on the entire community, regardless of people's race or religion," said Margot Helphand, chairwoman of the Jewish Community Relations Council of the Jewish Federation of Lane County.

"We are definitely affected by it," she said. "If it hits our community, it hits everyone."

The city and police can or will only do so much. So, antifa in Eugene-Springfield are giving these assholes no sanctuary.



The brick was hurled at that asshole's pickup. That asshole, by the way, advocates the slaughter of Jews and people of color. The article also discusses a dispensary owner who is now out of business because online antifa exposed her white supremacist advocacy.
 
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Roger A. Shrubber

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there are slippery slopes here. i don't like these people, and don't want to hear what they have to say. but the rules are supposed to apply to everyone, not just people we like. where do you draw the line? do you draw it in the same place tomorrow?
i'd like to throw bricks at them, too, but i don't want someone else throwing bricks at me because i don't believe what they believe.
this is where a politically correct society takes you, trying to make the decision, are nazis people too? do their opinions matter? if not, why not? do your opinions matter? if so, why? who's the arbiter? is there an official guide somewhere to whats acceptable and what isn't? if there is, who wrote it?
 

Fogdog

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there are slippery slopes here. i don't like these people, and don't want to hear what they have to say. but the rules are supposed to apply to everyone, not just people we like. where do you draw the line? do you draw it in the same place tomorrow?
i'd like to throw bricks at them, too, but i don't want someone else throwing bricks at me because i don't believe what they believe.
this is where a politically correct society takes you, trying to make the decision, are nazis people too? do their opinions matter? if not, why not? do your opinions matter? if so, why? who's the arbiter? is there an official guide somewhere to whats acceptable and what isn't? if there is, who wrote it?
Hate crimes are up in the US. It started in the Obama era and exploded since Trump came on the scene. Black and brown people are getting bricks and worse. Do you suggest that we should just sit there and take it? When has that worked to suppress these movements?

Europe shows us that coddling fascists and Nazis only encourages them and draws their disgust. The were becoming militant last year and are on the back foot now. The difference is they ran into stiff opposition and they went nuts, started killing people, lost any shred of credibility. Not a single fascist was seriously injured in the riots last year. The damage was entirely on the side of people standing against fascism and hate.

Perhaps your fears are overblown? What do you suggest we do that has been shown to work in suppressing these movements.
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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free speech is guaranteed in the constitution. no one says you have to listen to them. if you suppress one groups right to free speech, whats to stop other people from suppressing your right?
let them have their rallies. just don't go to them. when no one shows up, no one cheers, no one listens to their shit, who are they hurting?
themselves.
they second they break a law of any kind, hit them with the worst penalties you can. add the hate crime sentencing into it if at all possible. let them fight each other in prison. till they die.

as to "my fears" i'd say they're no where close to be overblown. tRUMP is trying to take free speech away from people he doesn't like....let's not do it to ourselves, for him
 

Bugeye

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free speech is guaranteed in the constitution. no one says you have to listen to them. if you suppress one groups right to free speech, whats to stop other people from suppressing your right?
let them have their rallies. just don't go to them. when no one shows up, no one cheers, no one listens to their shit, who are they hurting?
themselves.
they second they break a law of any kind, hit them with the worst penalties you can. add the hate crime sentencing into it if at all possible. let them fight each other in prison. till they die.

as to "my fears" i'd say they're no where close to be overblown. tRUMP is trying to take free speech away from people he doesn't like....let's not do it to ourselves, for him
I hear you but think public safety also has to be a concern. Groups showing up for their protest that are decked out in riot gear show that they came for a fight.
 

Sir Napsalot

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I bet he carries his camera to record the harassment he quite rightly receives.

I looked up an article on this dickhead and others that have become active ever since Trump and the racist GOP right gave cover for their activism:
Jimmy was a nazi long before Trump- I've been here 30 years

I have a really nice OG Analytical T-shirt that I can't wear now

They were the best testing lab in the area btw
 

Fogdog

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free speech is guaranteed in the constitution. no one says you have to listen to them. if you suppress one groups right to free speech, whats to stop other people from suppressing your right?
let them have their rallies. just don't go to them. when no one shows up, no one cheers, no one listens to their shit, who are they hurting?
themselves.
they second they break a law of any kind, hit them with the worst penalties you can. add the hate crime sentencing into it if at all possible. let them fight each other in prison. till they die.

as to "my fears" i'd say they're no where close to be overblown. tRUMP is trying to take free speech away from people he doesn't like....let's not do it to ourselves, for him
Agree. There are still limits on that speech and the neo-Nazis created the precedent that gave the courts the nod to deny their marches in the interest of public safety.

Showing up to stop that protest is as much free speech as protesting. Totally agree that throwing bricks a neo Nazi cars and trucks is illegal. so is painting swastikas on houses, burning Mosques and assaulting people especially assaulting people because they hold different religious beliefs.
 

Fogdog

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Jimmy was a nazi long before Trump- I've been here 30 years

I have a really nice OG Analytical T-shirt that I can't wear now

They were the best testing lab in the area btw
Yeah, it's too bad she wanted to murder black children. Or that she said so publicly. People have the right to do business with people who are not neo-Nazis too.
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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just so you understand, i'm not trying to defend these people or anything they stand for, just some times the umbrella of freedom covers the turds as well as the diamonds, if you take away the umbrella from the turds, some of the diamonds are are going to suffer, as well.
you get a hunting season declared, and i'll join you.
 

Fogdog

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just so you understand, i'm not trying to defend these people or anything they stand for, just some times the umbrella of freedom covers the turds as well as the diamonds, if you take away the umbrella from the turds, some of the diamonds are are going to suffer, as well.
you get a hunting season declared, and i'll join you.
I get it, and I respect where you are coming from. I also understand the main point which is freedom of speech is a right that is not to be infringed upon by government unless it interferes with a higher right. That is what the ACLU was saying in its defense of neo-Nazi applications for protests.

Racists, bigots and misogynists are free to speak their hatred and the US government can't interfere. If that were all they wanted -- to speak their mind I'd have no issue either. As shown by events last year, they aren't interested in peaceful assembly and peaceful redress of a wrong visited upon them by society. They crossed a line and my question to you is, do we sit back and let them murder and beat their way into power? Because that is what they say they will do and their actions show that they aren't kidding around.
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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no, freedom of speech is just that, not the right to do anything else. there is no constitutional protection for violent crimes.
anytime an organization uses violence to achieve it's means, they become terrorists, in my opinion, and i have no pity and no quarter for terrorists.
 

Fogdog

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no, freedom of speech is just that, not the right to do anything else. there is no constitutional protection for violent crimes.
anytime an organization uses violence to achieve it's means, they become terrorists, in my opinion, and i have no pity and no quarter for terrorists.
Well then, if the government won't/can't act, then antifa is stepping into the void. They are the ones who put their lives on the line to stop Nazis from rampaging in Charlottesville, Berkeley and Portland Oregon. I've participated in counter-demonstrations in Portland. I'm not antifa but I stand with them. We have the alt right movement on the back foot.

Violent fascists/white supremacists/KKK/neo-Nazis are like weeds. You have to harshly suppress them or they take over. They don't give up easily and their seeds sprout so you have to do it again and again.
 
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