Need help from someone who knows about breeding.

rhino1111

Well-Known Member
okay so i had a small op this year indoor by windowsill in the hopes of making seeds for outdoors next year. unfortunately (never thoughtd id be saying this) they are all female so i cant breed. what i did was im intentionally hermieing them.

only 1 is showing signs of hermie. can i take that pollen and pollenate a female that hasnt hermied during this stress induced hermie process to make seed? will they be feminized with a higher risk of hermieing? or will they just be plain hermies?

all the seeds ive got from self pollinated plants r stable females. but im thinkin of using female pollen on another female so iunno.

what will be the outcome here??
 

Pipe Dream

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Like u said, female seeds with a high probability of being hermaphrodites. Your best bet is to find a plant that won't hermi naturally and than apply collodial silver to make it herm. That's how most of the breeders do it although if they choose candidates that resist herming that is up for debate.
 

rhino1111

Well-Known Member
Like u said, female seeds with a high probability of being hermaphrodites. Your best bet is to find a plant that won't hermi naturally and than apply collodial silver to make it herm. That's how most of the breeders do it although if they choose candidates that resist herming that is up for debate.
it didnt hermie naturally. its stress induced. the genetics of these plants are relatively stable. the 1 kind very stable. the other kind is so-so. the very stable kind which i know wont herm will be the female candidate. im hoping that its stability will be passed onto the children. remember the pollen donor isnt a natural hermie. its stress induced due to intentional light interuption during dark cycle.

with that being said i think the ratio of the children hermieing being maybe closer to 50-50?

these seeds will be grown in their own area. its more of a test to see if this breeding method will work to produce stable females. if stable strains are used. i heard something about this breeding method. the females that dont herm during stress inducing are the "true females" and pollen off a female that has hermied is used on the "true female" to produce stable female seeds?

anyone heard of this^?


and thanks for the input Pipe Dream.
 

Kush konasieur

New Member
okay so i had a small op this year indoor by windowsill in the hopes of making seeds for outdoors next year. unfortunately (never thoughtd id be saying this) they are all female so i cant breed. what i did was im intentionally hermieing them.

only 1 is showing signs of hermie. can i take that pollen and pollenate a female that hasnt hermied during this stress induced hermie process to make seed? will they be feminized with a higher risk of hermieing? or will they just be plain hermies?

all the seeds ive got from self pollinated plants r stable females. but im thinkin of using female pollen on another female so iunno.

what will be the outcome here??
This is how breeders make their fem seeds.Stress a fem and get her pollen to go on the fems to get fem seeds.Or you can just let that female pollinate herself and have s1 seeds of that strain.
 

rhino1111

Well-Known Member
This is how breeders make their fem seeds.Stress a fem and get her pollen to go on the fems to get fem seeds.Or you can just let that female pollinate herself and have s1 seeds of that strain.
kk i mentioned something about hearing this breeding method just above. thanks for verifying for me. this is reassuring that im not just wasting my time.

thanks for your input. i cant wait to try these seeds out next summer. hopefully i made a killer outdoor strain. the one strain is a slow flower, potent plant. the other is just a fast growing, resistant, regular potency, and very stable plant. im hoping to create something faster growing and a bit more potent but not comprimise stability.
 

Kush konasieur

New Member
kk i mentioned something about hearing this breeding method just above. thanks for verifying for me. this is reassuring that im not just wasting my time.

thanks for your input. i cant wait to try these seeds out next summer. hopefully i made a killer outdoor strain. the one strain is a slow flower, potent plant. the other is just a fast growing, resistant, regular potency, and very stable plant. im hoping to create something faster growing and a bit more potent but not comprimise stability.
Well you would have to grow out alot because yopu will get mixed phenos of the 2.1 leaning toward the slow flower and 1 leaning toward the fast flower and then you wil get a mix of both potent,fast flower and resistant and stable plant.Whenever you do your own creations you are never waisting your time.
No problem for the info bud its all good.
 

clift709

Member
From Soma:

Creating feminized seeds is an art, there are a few different methods of application. I have written about some of my different methods of making seeds in previous HIGH TIMES articles. I have use gibberellic acid, light stress, ph stress, and fertilizer stress to force my plants to make seeds. All these methods are harsh on the plants, and some like the gibbrellic acid, are not organic. In my search for cleaner more earth-friendly ways of working with the cannabis plant, I have found a new way to make feminized seeds.

Feminized seeds occur as a result of stress, other than genetics. All cannabis plants can and will make male flowers under stress. Certain strains like a higher PH, some like a lower one. Some like a lot of food, some like a lot less. There is quite a lot of variety in marijuana genetics, and you can’t treat every plant the same way.

It takes many harvests before you really get to know a particular strain. Just like getting to know human friends, it takes time. I have grown strains for a decade and am truly getting to know every nuance the different plants exhibit. I can recognize them from a distance. I must say that I get a lot of help from my friends, both in making seeds and learning new and better ways of working with this sacred plant.

I named this new method “Rodelization” after a friend who helped me realize and make use of this way of creating female seeds. After growing crop after crop of the same plant in the same conditions, I noticed that if I flowered the plants 10-14 days longer than usual, they would develop male “bananas”. A male banana is a very slight male flower on a female marijuana plant that is formed because of stress. Usually they do not let out any pollen early enough to make seeds, but they sometimes do. They are a built in safety factor so in case of sever conditions, the plant can make sure that the species is furthered.

To me a male banana is quite a beautiful thing. It has the potential of making all female seeds. Many growers out there have male banana phobia. They see one and have heart palpitations, they want to cut down the entire crop or at least take tweezers and pluck the little yellow emerging devices out. I call them “Emergency Devices” because they emerge at times of stress.

In the Rodelization method, the male banana is very valuable. After growing your female plant 10-14 days longer than usual, hang them up to dry, then carefully take them off the drying lines and inspect for bananas. Each and every banana should be removed and placed in a small bag labeled very accurately. These sealed bags can be placed in the fridge for one to two months and still remain potent.

For the second phase you need to already have a crop that’s already 2 ½ weeks into flowering. Take your sealed bag of pollen out of the fridge, and proceed to impregnate your new crop of females. To do this, you must first match the female plant and the pollen from the same strain in the previous crop. Shut down all the fans in the grow room. Then take a very fine paint brush, dip it in the bag of pollen, and paint it on the female flower. Do this to each different strain you have growing together. I have done it with ten different kinds in the same room with great success.

I use the lower flowers to make seeds, leaving the top colas seedless for smoking. This method takes time(two crops), but is completely organic and lets you have great quality smoke at the same time you make your female seeds. If you’re one of those growers that has never grown seeds for fear of not having something good to smoke, you will love this method.

You can also use this pollen to make new female crosses by cross pollinating. The older females with the bananas can be brought into the room with the younger, un-pollinated females when they are three weeks into flowering. Turn all of the circulation fans on high, and the little bits of pollen will proceed to make it around the room. Do this for several days. Six to seven weeks later you will have ripe 100% female seeds; not nearly as many as a male plant would make, but enough to start over somewhere else with the same genetics.

As a farmer who has been forced to move his genetics far away from where they started, I know very well the value of seeds. My friend Adam from THSeeds in Amsterdam has a motto that I love to borrow these days: “Drop seeds not bombs”.
 
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