New advanced led 5w veg light

SupraSPL

SupraSPL

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For reference I veg in the same space with 30Watts. I am surprised they are running pure blue especially with that much power density.
 
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earthling420

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SupraSPL said:
For reference I veg in the same space with 30Watts. I am surprised they are running pure blue especially with that much power density.
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what in the hell? im an idiot. Why are you surprised? Are other color spectrums needed during veg, or is blue enough?
 
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earthling420

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hyroot said:
you want full spectrum. all colors. so all pigments will absorb light. I think supra meant 300 watts also
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ohh, I wasn't sure if the blue would be enough, cause I know the plants take in more blue light in veg. Now I know, always learning :) and whew, I was going back, like wait, 30??? lol wow
 
hyroot

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earthling420 said:
ohh, I wasn't sure if the blue would be enough, cause I know the plants take in more blue light in veg. Now I know, always learning :) and whew, I was going back, like wait, 30??? lol wow
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Think about the sun. All the plants that grow naturally without any help.. The sun is the same spectrum year round. It never changes.. You want an equal amount in veg and flower. maybe a little extra 660 deep red in flower. The whole mh during veg and hps during flower is all marketing hype to make people buy 2 lights instead of one.
 
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earthling420

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hyroot said:
Think about the sun. All the plants that grow naturally without any help.. The sun is the same spectrum year round. It never changes.. You want an equal amount in veg and flower. maybe a little extra 660 deep red in flower. The whole mh during veg and hps during flower is all marketing hype to make people buy 2 lights instead of one.
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Right right, and of course I fell for it ha The sun example is perfect. Well, I think I will probably get a 220w solarflare full spectrum then. Thanks hyroot, I'm finally getting answers haha
 
gk skunky

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None of CLW lights are full spectrum. Neither solar flare or solar storm. I have a friend running solarstorm 800s with lumi gros 6-what the hell ever they are and 1K HPS. Honestly for the money I'd go apache or a51 for flower.

Though for your question at hand. How many plants? How long will you be vegging, will you be doing a perpetual type thing where you have plants ready to go when the flowering ones are chopped, and how big do you want the plants to be from veg going into flower. Those 3 things will better help us all guide you. Currently I'm running XGS 190 for flower and 17W bullshit wal-mart great value 17W PAR38 5000K for veg. Those PAR38s are doing their job fine. Though I've got a very small mom/clone cab that's 2x1x4(so 2' wide, 1' deep, and 4' high) and the single 17W is doing fine though I will just be maintaining bonsai moms and have clones rooted vegged and ready to go once the others are out. You could get by no problem with anywhere from 2-4 of those, depending on your growth needs, if you aren't trying to grow trees which I highly doubt you are.
 
SupraSPL

SupraSPL

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Amazingly, it was not a typo, 30W does the job for me in a 2'X 2' (top bin LEDs running soft). I have a small veg box 18" X 16". It was using 2W successfully and I recently updated it to 4W. I also have a 2' X 4' veg area that is currently using only 50W of outdated LEDs and the plants get several feet tall. When it comes to vegging, LED can do amazing things.

 

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earthling420

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gk skunky said:
None of CLW lights are full spectrum. Neither solar flare or solar storm. I have a friend running solarstorm 800s with lumi gros 6-what the hell ever they are and 1K HPS. Honestly for the money I'd go apache or a51 for flower.

Though for your question at hand. How many plants? How long will you be vegging, will you be doing a perpetual type thing where you have plants ready to go when the flowering ones are chopped, and how big do you want the plants to be from veg going into flower. Those 3 things will better help us all guide you. Currently I'm running XGS 190 for flower and 17W bullshit wal-mart great value 17W PAR38 5000K for veg. Those PAR38s are doing their job fine. Though I've got a very small mom/clone cab that's 2x1x4(so 2' wide, 1' deep, and 4' high) and the single 17W is doing fine though I will just be maintaining bonsai moms and have clones rooted vegged and ready to go once the others are out. You could get by no problem with anywhere from 2-4 of those, depending on your growth needs, if you aren't trying to grow trees which I highly doubt you are.
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ok im following, just curious, why those 2? Not trying debate, just trying to learn :)
and there is 3 plants in a 4'x2'x7 (wxdxh) vegging until about 2' depending on how they grow, one is an auto as well, so can't control that too much. I was planning on doing a perpetual type thing yes. I will veg in a 2.5'x2x6. There will be 2 mothers in there along with clones rooting and vegging just like yours. Haha Are you using CFL bulbs or Led? I've seen walmart led bulbs lol I believe it works. Lol mini trees ;)
 
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earthling420

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SupraSPL said:
Amazingly, it was not a typo, 30W does the job for me in a 2'X 2' (top bin LEDs running soft). I have a small veg box 18" X 16". It was using 2W successfully and I recently updated it to 4W. I also have a 2' X 4' veg area that is currently using only 50W of outdated LEDs and the plants get several feet tall. When it comes to vegging, LED can do amazing things.

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My mind is blown. Props to you Supra. That's some nice vegging. So when you say it "does the job" Im assuming more light would help? How much light would you like to have? Besides sunlight lol
 
SupraSPL

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Tnx E420. I do believe more light would veg them up faster and bigger, but in my case that would create a problem. I use a flip flop system (2 flowering rooms) and a perpetual cycle, so I need a batch fully vegged up about once a month. Each batch spends 2 weeks as cuttings, 4 weeks in small pots, 4 weeks in medium pots and 4 weeks in their final size pots, then they go into 12/12 for 8-9 weeks. So as you can see they are in no hurry and if I veg too fast they get too tall for my space (~6.5 feet). So I use just enough power to get them to the correct size in the correct amount of time. When everything goes right they finish flowering at about 4 feet tall.

So if I cranked up the power I could have less batches in rotation, reducing overall plant count. But the downside is I would have less varieties to rotate and test. In my experience patients LOVE variety :joint:
 
PetFlora

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The company name is deceiving. Their lights to date are from 'advanced'

You can veg quite a few small potted plants under 30w of high quality leds

I would not veg with an all blue panel. MJ benefits from multispectrum: red promotes root development

hyroot said:
you want full spectrum. all colors. so all pigments will absorb light. I think supra meant 300 watts also
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hyroot

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SupraSPL said:
Tnx E420. I do believe more light would veg them up faster and bigger, but in my case that would create a problem. I use a flip flop system (2 flowering rooms) and a perpetual cycle, so I need a batch fully vegged up about once a month. Each batch spends 2 weeks as cuttings, 4 weeks in small pots, 4 weeks in medium pots and 4 weeks in their final size pots, then they go into 12/12 for 8-9 weeks. So as you can see they are in no hurry and if I veg too fast they get too tall for my space (~6.5 feet). So I use just enough power to get them to the correct size in the correct amount of time. When everything goes right they finish flowering at about 4 feet tall.

So if I cranked up the power I could have less batches in rotation, reducing overall plant count. But the downside is I would have less varieties to rotate and test. In my experience patients LOVE variety :joint:
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so you veg for 3 months ? you should be pulling huge yields then
 
SupraSPL

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Sorry for the book but I am very interested in this issue and I think about it all the time. How to increase yields without compromising nug quality?

So I speed up or slow down the veg process depending on which cuttings I want to run and depending on the behavior of the plant (sativa/indica). If I pot them up on time and get them under the brighter light I can fast track them. If I let them linger in small pots I can put the brakes on which increases how many varieties I have in rotation. So when it comes down to it, they are getting vegged an equivalent of 2 months. They end up 2.5-3 foot tall bushes including the bucket and I like the trunk to be about the size of a dime.

Another easy way to veg them up fast is to take large clones.

So if it was as simple as vegging them up larger to get a higher yield I would do it, but there are complications due to limited space and limited light. When they get too big I lose control of the canopy and vertical height. Even with 600HPS the lower canopy that is shaded out is just larf anyway. My experience with huge bushes is that I have to clear out a ton of underbrush that would become larf, so vegging them up huge just wastes energy and creates more work. To make matters worse, the plant will have used up all the nutrient in the soil for vegging and it will require a lot of ferts to be watered in (maybe a top dressing would help). The majority of the roots are now surrounded by depleted soil.

So my strategy has been to give them their final potting up 4 weeks before the flip so the roots have time to almost fill the buckets, but not to deplete all the nutes during vegging. That also allows me to get a nice fade at the end of flowering which improves nug quality. If I am forced to water in a lot of organic ferts during flowering I get foxtailing and white pistils at the end. So I am trying to figure out how to balance all this and get my yields rising. I have been increasing the strength of my soil and watering in ferts (fish hydrolysate and molasses) toward the end of vegging even though they don't need it yet.
 
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earthling420

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SupraSPL said:
Sorry for the book but I am very interested in this issue and I think about it all the time. How to increase yields without compromising nug quality?

So I speed up or slow down the veg process depending on which cuttings I want to run and depending on the behavior of the plant (sativa/indica). If I pot them up on time and get them under the brighter light I can fast track them. If I let them linger in small pots I can put the brakes on which increases how many varieties I have in rotation. So when it comes down to it, they are getting vegged an equivalent of 2 months. They end up 2.5-3 foot tall bushes including the bucket and I like the trunk to be about the size of a dime.

Another easy way to veg them up fast is to take large clones.

So if it was as simple as vegging them up larger to get a higher yield I would do it, but there are complications due to limited space and limited light. When they get too big I lose control of the canopy and vertical height. Even with 600HPS the lower canopy that is shaded out is just larf anyway. My experience with huge bushes is that I have to clear out a ton of underbrush that would become larf, so vegging them up huge just wastes energy and creates more work. To make matters worse, the plant will have used up all the nutrient in the soil for vegging and it will require a lot of ferts to be watered in (maybe a top dressing would help). The majority of the roots are now surrounded by depleted soil.

So my strategy has been to give them their final potting up 4 weeks before the flip so the roots have time to almost fill the buckets, but not to deplete all the nutes during vegging. That also allows me to get a nice fade at the end of flowering which improves nug quality. If I am forced to water in a lot of organic ferts during flowering I get foxtailing and white pistils at the end. So I am trying to figure out how to balance all this and get my yields rising. I have been increasing the strength of my soil and watering in ferts (fish hydrolysate and molasses) toward the end of vegging even though they don't need it yet.
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Holy sh** totally forgot about this thread! My bad Supra. I don't mind the long posts, more to learn :) that is very intriguing topic. I see what you're talking about, unfortunately I dont have too much input, as I've only read, not applied. Good tips though, im gonna have to do some tinkering with my perpetual setup as well while learning my 2 strains. Im not worried about the auto I have, I just threw it in for fun and learning. I too have thought if it would be worth growing them taller, but worried about the lower areas, for I dont have any side lighting set up, and im not sure how well the leds will penetrate the canopy yet. I will be getting more into it as I go, I like to do the best I can with just about everything.

That's a good strat. In that case I should transplant mine now! haha I have heard majority say the fade is good, and minority say it's better to keep em fed til the end?? The fading makes more sense though. What is foxtailing and white pistils mean? I like your idea of giving nutes for flower before flower, but I haven't read much on nutes during or right before flower.
 
Icemud420

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I'm really curious, and would love to hear you LED guru's thoughts on this...

How does the veg panel have Cree XT-E chips in it, and have a peak at 434nm...? the royal blue is the only XTE chip I am aware of in blue, and BIN between 450-462.5nm... So how do they get a peak at 434nm with Cree XT-E chips? I know that color can shift slightly depending on the drive of the chip, but that much? What are you guys thoughts?
 
GCMDH

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This is the 5W led chip in the market , 2 pcs 3W Led chips packaged together . Its actual wattage is 3W around . You believe something someone wrote on the internet ???
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gk skunky

gk skunky

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GCMDH said:
This is the 5W led chip in the market , 2 pcs 3W Led chips packaged together . Its actual wattage is 3W around . You believe something someone wrote on the internet ???
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Ughhh what's this have to do with this thread? Those aren't XTEs. XTEs are not constructed anything like those. Looks like whoever you're believing is far off base in regards to real CREE 5W XTE chips.
 
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