Noob third time grow: Indoor, Organic, 400watt and cfl

Hi RU members, I've just started my third time grow. First of all I wanna tell you guys that my English is not so good so forgive me if I can not exactly say what I want to say

My first time grow had a lot of mistakes and the result was : huge yield but bad weed.
My second grow had mistakes too which led to normal weed with little yield.

Now for the third time grow I want to use organic method. For a lot of reasons I cant access to good seed. I've got some random bag seeds and they've germinated and it's their second day in the soil. For seedling I've used only jungle soil and water. With a 400watt halide and three 30watt cfls over them.

So this is more of a "Question and Answer" than a normal journal. Any comment or idea is welcomed. I'll keep updating this thread and I NEED your advices

As for the first pic :



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Day 3 : Still they have not sprout from soil.
It took 3-4 days for germination!
I planted them 1cm deep in soil. and It's moist all the time with enough light.
Hope they sprout soon...

first off metal halides are generally used in vegitation the spectrum is good for that . lower spectrum better for bloom such as hps. second off if your growing bag seeds unless they came from some dank ass buds is only gonna produce bag seed weed. during your bloom cycle add more clfs low spectrum 2700 to 3700k i blelieve is good.

jason1976 said:

first off metal halides are generally used in vegitation the spectrum is good for that . lower spectrum better for bloom such as hps. second off if your growing bag seeds unless they came from some dank ass buds is only gonna produce bag seed weed. during your bloom cycle add more clfs low spectrum 2700 to 3700k i blelieve is good.

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I disagree, good growers can make brick weed seed into top shelf erb with the right treatment, there is a recent thread on here to substantiate my claim since I dont have pictures of bagseed grows Ive have done myself (Grew some out years ago and actually have 5 in a paper towel right now since Im not 100% satisfied with the strain Im growing right now) . Also, to the OP, That MH might be a bit over kill until you see some "true leaves" at the very least you should put it about 3' above your pots as intensity is sure to kill seedlings.

Genetics play a major role, however I think most herb comes from decent genes and that is why it gets planted and grown out in enough bulk to become "bricks of weed". The reason the herb is not A grade is because it wasn't cared for properly. That means your bag seed has the potential to be truly quality buds. Good luck BongBang!

Thanks a lot jason1976 , Oo S0uP oO and Doobey Hauser for sharing the info and your advices.
So I will turn off the Halide and add more cfls.

It is promising to hear that it's possible to harvest good weed from random bag seeds if it's grown properly.

Waiting to see those sexy buds come out of the soil...

Umm I don't know what are these round things on the soil, can anyone tell what are they?
https://www.rollitup.org/attachments/grow-journals/2528114d1361050175-barneys-farm-lsd-400w-waterfarm-img_0460.jpg

I would appreciate if you answer to my silly question in the previous post

Here is the first signs of life
Day 3 (yesterday) :

bongbang said:

I would appreciate if you answer to my silly question in the previous post

Here is the first signs of life
Day 3 (yesterday) :
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Those are Hydroton or clay pebbles used in hydroponics instead of soil.

Day 5 :

It's very slow!!!!

Oo S0uP oO said:

Those are Hydroton or clay pebbles used in hydroponics instead of soil.

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Yeah what he said, expanded clay. It holds moisture while also promoting high o2 levels. I have used it in the bottom 2 inches of containers to help them drain better, and have heard of it being used as a kind of mulch to keep heat and moisture in the soil.

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Day7:

Only 2 of 10 seeds have sprouted out of the soil!
Fuck this shit, I'm germinating more seed now.

Germinate them first. Take a ziplock bag and a paper towel, moisten the paper towel, place the seeds on it and fold it over, stick the moist paper towel in the bag, leave the bag partially open and let it sit in a dark warm place for 3 days. Take the guess work out. This should technically be a requirement for bagseed because you never truly know which seeds are good. Even the ones that look good don't always sprout.

Yea, bagseed is not bad at all. The only downside of it though, is that because you don't know what strain it is you don't really know how much of what to give the plant and have to learn along the way, which could lead to serious problems. And if the bagseed came from different strains, then each plant will grow differently and require different levels of nute, light, water, and heat. But for somebody who just wants to grow some weed to smoke, no worries. Just take a more generalized approach to the grow. Use general plant food and a comfortable environment and you'll be ok.

Tested a bagseed plant I'm growing last night. Shit hit real nice. Real smooth. Still not quite ready for harvest, but the test bud I smoked made me extremely happy given that the plant was the only female out of 12 plants and had gone through a lot of stress due to me trying to accommodate the majority. So if I fucked up this bad with a bagseed plant and still got really good bud, you should have no worries, Brah.

Thanks Brotelho, I've germinated them first with the same method.The seeds were old and I guess that's the reason.
I agree that bagseeds can also produce good weed if treated well and I'll do my best

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the "edit" button from my first post has disappeared! So I can't add the daily images to my first post?

Day9:

ok i didnt say it was bad to grow bag seed. what i said was dont expect any thing more than bag seed weed. i have grown bag seeds in hydro and the bud was great but it wasnt kandy kush, or northern lights, or skunk. it was bag seed weed. not bad but not the best either.

jason1976 said:

ok i didnt say it was bad to grow bag seed. what i said was dont expect any thing more than bag seed weed. i have grown bag seeds in hydro and the bud was great but it wasnt kandy kush, or northern lights, or skunk. it was bag seed weed. not bad but not the best either.

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This makes NO sense... ALL strains are derived from a handful of original land race strains to begin with right? Through natural and unnatural selection strains have gotten more specific and refined over untold generations but... regardless of where those seeds came from, they are still a product of the same natural and unnatural selection as the seeds you and I willingly pay for. Unless this man somehow got a bag of weed that has grown and reproduced untouched in unfavorable and detrimental environmental conditions that would somehow alter the plants potential THC, CBD, and Terpen content, I see no reason why if grown with an able hand they wouldnt have the same potential to produce top shelf erb. Certain traits, such as low yield, hermaphroditic tendencies, and such can be weeded out by a talented breeder over time, but I dont believe your gonna somehow find bagseed capable of ONLY producing 10% THC or something. Grow some brickweed seeds out in a PERFECT environment I GUARANTEE you will be surprised! Only thing is the crapshoot of what your plant is going to want, but who listens to EXACTLY what the breeder description says anyways right? We all learn to read our plants along the way... Hes just hiking without a map on this one. -S0uP

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Oo S0uP oO said:

This makes NO sense... ALL strains are derived from a handful of original land race strains to begin with right? Through natural and unnatural selection strains have gotten more specific and refined over untold generations but... regardless of where those seeds came from, they are still a product of the same natural and unnatural selection as the seeds you and I willingly pay for. Unless this man somehow got a bag of weed that has grown and reproduced untouched in unfavorable and detrimental environmental conditions that would somehow alter the plants potential THC, CBD, and Terpen content, I see no reason why if grown with an able hand they wouldnt have the same potential to produce top shelf erb... Hes just hiking without a map on this one. -S0uP

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Agreed. I have a group of friends I know that have shared/passed around a strain dubbed 'Herschel Walker' that is said to have come from brickweed bagseed. 50+ seeds were started, #34 turned out to be the best of 'em all and that's why he named it HW. I knew two guys who grew this, but caused it to intersex(hermie) due heat they said. They then sold the seeds from that grow to someone I met down the road. One day this new friend and I are smoking and talking plants (genetics, mediums, newt companies, ect.) and he mentions he is growing a strain named 'Herschel Walker or something like that' we have a good laugh when we find out the connection, but then I break it to him... "Dude I don't know if you wanna grow those seeds. I know from the seller that they came off a hermie." I explain that they are more likely to self-pollinate again and he should probably kill em all now. He then explains he's been growing the strain for 4-5 cycles and has never had a seed come from the clones he makes of his first HW seeds. At this point I'm so high I'm having trouble taking it all in, and then he hits me with "that's what we just smoked!" I will never doubt again the potential of viable seeds no matter where they 'come' from.

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