NoTillPhil's 2018 Backyard Tree Mission

Goldrunfarms

Goldrunfarms

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Awesome thread i have a similar no till thread going this year. I hope you can have the clones transferred with no stress/problems. I have found from personal experience small clones under 6" put out june 1st perform much better than older bigger plants. No science in my opinion just experience.
 
NoTillPhil

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Goldrunfarms said:
Awesome thread i have a similar no till thread going this year. I hope you can have the clones transferred with no stress/problems. I have found from personal experience small clones under 6" put out june 1st perform much better than older bigger plants. No science in my opinion
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These are my oldest starts ever and your not the first to tell me I jumped the gun. I do have two of my six that are more like 8 week transplants. So we are going to get a good visual side by side on the difference in growth.

If you can start to early this will be the year I learn that lol.
They are about four weeks older than any of my previous outdoor transplants.

What indoor light schedule do you run with your starts? Could your problem with older plants come from going backwards on the light schedule?

These have been at 15/ 9
 
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NoTillPhil said:
These are my oldest starts ever and your not the first to tell me I jumped the gun. I do have two of my six that are more like 8 week transplants. So we are going to get a good visual side by side on the difference in growth.

If you can start to early this will be the year I learn that lol.
They are about four weeks older than any of my previous outdoor transplants.

What indoor light schedule do you run with your starts? Could your problem with older plants come from going backwards on the light schedule?

These have been at 15/ 9
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Yes it could be light schedule as i ran 16/8. But it was probably due to not as healthy root system. 90% of what i grow outside is from seeds. You cant beat the vigor of a healthy seedling. My yeild off seedlings too clones is through the roof.
 
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Agreed on seeds vs clones. I only have a couple clones that are strictly back ups. Everything else is seed. Hoping the smart pots beat back any root issues. Vigor hasn't let up yet so I'm hoping two more weeks is ok.

I have found that going backwards on light schedule with a fully mature plant is problematic.
 
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NoTillPhil

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Wishing I planned the light schedule to coincide with May 15 instead of June 1st.

We have a 10 day forecast of upper 70s lower 80s with nights all over 42F. If I knew this much of May would be ideal I'd have taken chances on planting earlier. If I were to plant them now, I'd be taking plants that are on the brink of flowering and cutting their light schedule by a half hour. My money is on, they would bug out and start to flower for a couple weeks and end up looking monster cropped.

So I'm stuck waiting despite good weather........

On the bright side I do still have some fencing to get done.
 
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I got the fence in today. In other words..... it's on.

It seems I very possibly started them a couple weeks to early. I was warned and believed I had it under control but said earlier in this thread, if you can start to early this would be the year I find out. Live, grow and and learn.

It's looking like I'm going to run two of the bigger plants but the other two have started to flower. I think I let their nute supply run to low in the 10 gallon smart pots. They slowed a bit and I didn't think much of it because they were already huge. Then they started to look worrisome last week maybe 10 days ago but kept my fingers crossed. Now two are just to hairy and full on bud sites on most branches. Two of them are holding in veg fine. While I think it was the low nutrient supply that truly sent them over the edge their size tells me I could have shaved four weeks off and still had some tree starts.

Undecided if I should just stick them under a light inside or see if I can get then going again and strip the bottoms.

I knew I'd learn something this year and I'm sure this won't be the last lesson.

On the bright side past experience taught me to have back ups. They are about a foot tall.

So line up is..

3 Orange Skunk from seed back up
1 Space Queen clone back up
1 Mammoth from original bunch, lol large to transplant
1 Death Valley Kush. Same as above.

Pics tomorrow when I get to planting.
 
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too larry

too larry

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NoTillPhil said:
I got the fence in today. In other words..... it's on.

It seems I very possibly started them a couple weeks to early. I was warned and believed I had it under control but said earlier in this thread, if you can start to early this would be the year I find out. Live, grow and and learn.

It's looking like I'm going to run two of the bigger plants but the other two have started to flower. I think I let their nute supply run to low in the 10 gallon smart pots. They slowed a bit and I didn't think much of it because they were already huge. Then they started to look worrisome last week maybe 10 days ago but kept my fingers crossed. Now two are just to hairy and full on bud sites on most branches. Two of them are holding in veg fine. While I think it was the low nutrient supply that truly sent them over the edge their size tells me I could have shaved four weeks off and still had some tree starts.

Undecided if I should just stick them under a light inside or see if I can get then going again and strip the bottoms.

I knew I'd learn something this year and I'm sure this won't be the last lesson.

On the bright side past experience taught me to have back ups. They are about a foot tall.

So line up is..

3 Orange Skunk from seed back up
1 Space Queen clone back up
1 Mammoth from original bunch, lol large to transplant
1 Death Valley Kush. Same as above.

Pics tomorrow when I get to planting.
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3 of the 18 plants I have are trying to early flower. But they are just now reaching sexual maturity. The trigger point for flower varies by strain, but also by different plant of the same strain. If you can put a light on them for 2 hours at midnight they will go back into veg.
 
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If I do the lights on in mid dark cycle can I count on them staying in veg? Is this something you have done before to save early flowering girls?

Sure would like a cure. Stress herms are another concern going back and forth on light cycle when I sit here considering it.

Thanks.

too larry said:
3 of the 18 plants I have are trying to early flower. But they are just now reaching sexual maturity. The trigger point for flower varies by strain, but also by different plant of the same strain. If you can put a light on them for 2 hours at midnight they will go back into veg.
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too larry

too larry

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NoTillPhil said:
If I do the lights on in mid dark cycle can I count on them staying in veg? Is this something you have done before to save early flowering girls?

Sure would like a cure. Stress herms are another concern going back and forth on light cycle when I sit here considering it.

Thanks.
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It is the length of the dark period, not the light, that determines the flower trigger. Longer nights makes them flower, so when you break the night up into two shorter nights, it fools them into thinking it is summertime. Known as the Gas Lantern Routine. Folks in the tropics have been doing it forever.

LED lights on a string is what most people use. It doesn't take a lot of light for the plant to register it as daylight.
 
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