Now legal. Wut 'bout landlord trouble?

nfhiggs said:
No, not really. It only takes a warrant if the police intend to use what's inside for evidence. Lack of a warrant make it inadmissible as evidence. As a property owner you should know that you DO have the right to find out if something illegal or dangerous is on your property. Warrants have nothing to do with it.
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And yeah, the tenant can bring civil suit against you for it. They may win, but most likely will not IF something fishy was going on.

People can sue for whatever the hell they can think of, but winning is another matter entirely.
 
nfhiggs said:
No, not really. It only takes a warrant if the police intend to use what's inside for evidence. Lack of a warrant make it inadmissible as evidence. As a property owner you should know that you DO have the right to find out if something illegal or dangerous is on your property. Warrants have nothing to do with it.
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no. it doesn't matter what they intend to use it for it's illegal for them to do but they might do it.
 
whitebb2727 said:
It would take a warrant. We are in the United States.
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realy? so if i was not legal as i am now. or even now. with ducting coming out and negitive pressure and fans going? i guess i just say its veggies or clothes or better yet keep my mouth shut. cool. as it should be. how hard would it be for a cop to get a warrant for a suspected grow or suspicious box ? i imagine the box would be difficult but the other garden tent or gun box it would be ... lawyer question right?
 
esh dov ets said:
realy? so if i was not legal as i am now. or even now. with ducting coming out and negitive pressure and fans going? i guess i just say its veggies or clothes or better yet keep my mouth shut. cool. as it should be. how hard would it be for a cop to get a warrant for a suspected grow or suspicious box ? i imagine the box would be difficult but the other garden tent or gun box it would be ... lawyer question right?
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I don't know about the duct and everything hanging out. The way I got mine setup you cant tell. It does make noise but I can shut it down and seal it up.

I own my place but its illegal. Gotta be safe.
 
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nfhiggs said:
No, not really. It only takes a warrant if the police intend to use what's inside for evidence. Lack of a warrant make it inadmissible as evidence. As a property owner you should know that you DO have the right to find out if something illegal or dangerous is on your property. Warrants have nothing to do with it.
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Wrong dude.

If I have a suspicion I can not make a tentant open up thier personal property. Neither can the police.

If taco Mac did that to.someone and the police came out, the tentant fell for it and opened it.

I would have to tell the landlord and the police to fuck off and go get a warrant.
 
Why do you guys think being a landlord let's you violate peoples rights or give police permission to violate them?

You don't. I know it's your place but the people renting have rights also. Its thier home. They are paying you to.live there.

You don't get to break laws because of suspicion.

If any you guys are doing that you need to stop before you get your ass sued.
 
Hey, you can call 911 and make up a story and say you heard a fight next door and a loud bang, but didn't know what it was. People have been killed by the police over that little trick. Doesn't make it right. Doesn't make it legal. Does work.

Still repugnant to call the cops because someone wouldn't let you look through their stuff.

There is a law you can be charged under (criminal) for stunts where you use the police as a weapon against others.
 
esh dov ets said:
realy? so if i was not legal as i am now. or even now. with ducting coming out and negitive pressure and fans going? i guess i just say its veggies or clothes or better yet keep my mouth shut. cool. as it should be. how hard would it be for a cop to get a warrant for a suspected grow or suspicious box ? i imagine the box would be difficult but the other garden tent or gun box it would be ... lawyer question right?
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If you're growing illegally you'd be a fool to give the police a reason to be inside your house. Police in the house, ducting, lights, scales, money, smell it probably wouldn't be too difficult to get a warrant. If you're dumb enough to have shit in plain sight and allow police into your home you're going to jail. It might not happen that night, but it will happen eventually. Police or landlords it doesn't matter they just can't walk into your house and search, listen to phone calls, and they can't use FLIR without warrants. When you break big laws leave the little ones alone. hypothetically speaking not you personally
 
knock-knock: hello
popo: I have a few questions for you
you: I'm not discussing anything today, am I being detained or am I free to go
popo: anything other than you are free to go
you: I will follow all lawful orders, but I'm going to remain silent until my lawyer is present, and I don't consent to any level of search
popo: anything, really, anything
you: nothing, really, nothing

rinse lather repeat
 
Entry in the absence of a statutory procedure.

A landlord has no inherent right to enter his tenant’s dwelling unit. The essence of the lease is that it transfers the right of occupancy from the landlord to the tenant. This right of occupancy is what the tenant pays for when he pays his rent. In connection with this right is an implied or explicit covenant of quiet enjoyment of the premises, which binds the landlord to leave the tenant to hold the premises in peace for the term for which the premises are let to him.

In the absence of a statute, which most states have, permitting the landlord a right to enter under specified circumstances, the parties may contract to confer this right on the landlord as a condition of tenancy. Keep in mind, also, that there may be rules pertaining to a landlord’s right to enter the dwelling unit related to rent control, if the landlord’s property is covered by it.

For the sake of retention of one’s tenants and the avoidance of strife during tenancy, the keys to exercise of the right to entry are as follows. 1. Enter as infrequently as possible. 2. Always give ample notice and, if possible, allow rescheduling of the entry at least once to accommodate the tenant. 3. Always enter with a clearly defined objective in mind, and notify the tenant of it unless there is a strong reason not to do so.

A tenant must recognize that the landlord has entrusted a serious portion of his net worth to him for use as his residence. Even if there are no obvious repairs, it is important for a landlord to view his property from time to time, say, twice a year, perhaps to do occasional routine maintenance that might not be obvious, or even just to ensure that there are no small problems that threaten to become large ones if not tended to early on. The covenant of quiet enjoyment is meant to protect a tenant’s right to quiet enjoyment of the benefit of the rental agreement, not to enforce a landlord’s neglect of his property
 
I'd like to point out that when it comes to the 4th amendment, the protections afforded to your home where you reside are much stronger than the protections afforded to an external storage unit or a vehicle that you don't live in. I'm not really up to date on this but there is a good chance that the cops searching TacoMac's tennant's storage locker discussed previously was totally legit even without the tenants permission.

Of course, the discovery of enough explosives to take out a city block would require calling the bomb disposal unit at a minimum and probably cordoning off the block at risk. That would be big news and we'd probably be able to find articles about it online. If only @TacoMac hadn't taken his ball and gone home...
 
Observe & Report said:
I'd like to point out that when it comes to the 4th amendment, the protections afforded to your home where you reside are much stronger than the protections afforded to an external storage unit or a vehicle that you don't live in. I'm not really up to date on this but there is a good chance that the cops searching TacoMac's tennant's storage locker discussed previously was totally legit even without the tenants permission.

Of course, the discovery of enough explosives to take out a city block would require calling the bomb disposal unit at a minimum and probably cordoning off the block at risk. That would be big news and we'd probably be able to find articles about it online. If only @TacoMac hadn't taken his ball and gone home...
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And the guy running off at the mention of a search, is a huge red flag for the police - that constitutes probable cause to hold everyone and search the locker.

The thing about probable cause is that is NOT a really difficult metric to reach - it can be as little as the cop saying "I smelled marijuana". Can you prove that he didn't?
 
nfhiggs said:
The thing about probable cause is that is NOT a really difficult metric to reach - it can be as little as the cop saying "I smelled marijuana". Can you prove that he didn't?
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And thanks to the people that crafted the constitutional amendments "legalizing" cannabis and the people that voted for "legalization" without bothering to find out what specific type of legalization was actually on the ballot, this trick will continue to work for cops in "legal" states for the forseeable future.
 
Observe & Report said:
Of course, the discovery of enough explosives to take out a city block would require calling the bomb disposal unit at a minimum and probably cordoning off the block at risk. That would be big news and we'd probably be able to find articles about it online. If only @TacoMac hadn't taken his ball and gone home...
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That story was BS. Yeah, they're dragging explosives back and forth all noisily in the middle of the night. Makes perfect sense.
 
Johnny Lawrence said:
That story was BS. Yeah, they're dragging explosives back and forth all noisily in the middle of the night. Makes perfect sense.
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You'd be surprised what stupid people will do. One episode of "cops" should aptly demonstrate that. Remember, 50% of the population, by definition is "below average". Never underestimate the stupidity of the average person, much less the "below average".
 
Observe & Report said:
And thanks to the people that crafted the constitutional amendments "legalizing" cannabis and the people that voted for "legalization" without bothering to find out what specific type of legalization was actually on the ballot, this trick will continue to work for cops in "legal" states for the forseeable future.
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Any legalizaion measures need to be scrutinized. alway check the aclu and norml.org and read it and form your own opinion. Glad your on to some of the tricks.
and to quote my self.
"rescheduling with out some legalization will pave the way for big pharma to control the industry. Straight legalization will lead to big tobacco taking over. Medical for the country with rescheduling at the same time will allow for big cannabis to grow and stay diverse and be the leader with the pharmaceutical industry making advancements and products as well."
 
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