Nute help!!!

dtowndabber

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Hey guys I'm new here and working out all the details before I start my first grow. So heres where I'm at so far: NUTES!!!

I know everyone is going to have a matter of opinion on which nutes I should use, so lets just say I'm using your favorite brand and we are growing hydroponically together.

What I'm wondering(i've been doing breeder research on the strain I'm choosing) is how to mix the nutes differently every few weeks. Maybe I'm not wording this right, lol but help! I'm trying to!

So if your nutrients are say 1-2-2 and in 2 weeks you want to change it to 2-1-1. how do you do this?
 

hotrodharley

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You always start a trip at the end? Nutes? Good God. Concentrate on your medium very first as that will dictate all else. Soil or hydro. Then get all the stuff together - minus the nutes because you won't need them until plants are up! Work on your lighting and air issues and you have them. Work on your grow area and sealing all light for flowering etc.

You guys make far too much out of this nutrient business. Good nutes can't make up for a shitty grower or an inexperienced one.
 

Krondizzel

New Member
You're talking about your ratios.

I run a 3 part general hydroponics flora series.

In veg, obviously you'll run more "gro" than "bloom"

so, veg = 3/2/1 grow, micro, bloom
transition = 3/2/2
bloom = 1/2/3

Hope that helps, if not, ask away, I will get into more detail if you need me to.
 

dtowndabber

Well-Known Member
You always start a trip at the end? Nutes? Good God. Concentrate on your medium very first as that will dictate all else. Soil or hydro. Then get all the stuff together - minus the nutes because you won't need them until plants are up! Work on your lighting and air issues and you have them. Work on your grow area and sealing all light for flowering etc.

You guys make far too much out of this nutrient business. Good nutes can't make up for a shitty grower or an inexperienced one.
Lol Rough Day?

I have lighting, air, and medium all worked out. My plan is to play with nutrient levels, ph etc and dialing in my equipment so as to not FUCK UP my grow. Nothing wrong with wanting to know as much as you can before starting. All you "experienced" growers talk about Jumping in feet first. Thats how you drown people!

Do some research, get some support, do some more research and go in head strong! When a problem arrises you will have more knowledge readily available to seek the answers in a more timely manner.

Excuse me for not wanting to grow inferior plants, for not wanting to perpetuate the cycle of all these idiots growing crap, getting busted and or whatever else to make the cannabis community look worse....

/end rant
 

dtowndabber

Well-Known Member
You're talking about your ratios.

I run a 3 part general hydroponics flora series.

In veg, obviously you'll run more "gro" than "bloom"

so, veg = 3/2/1 grow, micro, bloom
transition = 3/2/2
bloom = 1/2/3

Hope that helps, if not, ask away, I will get into more detail if you need me to.
Thanks Kron. It helps. if you have time PM me and I'll explain more in depth my question.
 

hotrodharley

Well-Known Member
Lol Rough Day?

I have lighting, air, and medium all worked out. My plan is to play with nutrient levels, ph etc and dialing in my equipment so as to not FUCK UP my grow. Nothing wrong with wanting to know as much as you can before starting. All you "experienced" growers talk about Jumping in feet first. Thats how you drown people!

Do some research, get some support, do some more research and go in head strong! When a problem arrises you will have more knowledge readily available to seek the answers in a more timely manner.

Excuse me for not wanting to grow inferior plants, for not wanting to perpetuate the cycle of all these idiots growing crap, getting busted and or whatever else to make the cannabis community look worse....

/end rant
Then plant the fuckers first. Obvious you know zero. Go ahead. RIU thrives on ninnies who go step-by-step.
 

hotrodharley

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This guy has some super-fast seeds for fast growing plants. He must have his nutrient schedule for all weeks done before germinating. wait for his posts -"help! My babies are screwed". Love these sensitive people.
 

RetiredMatthebrute

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Hey guys I'm new here and working out all the details before I start my first grow. So heres where I'm at so far: NUTES!!!

I know everyone is going to have a matter of opinion on which nutes I should use, so lets just say I'm using your favorite brand and we are growing hydroponically together.

What I'm wondering(i've been doing breeder research on the strain I'm choosing) is how to mix the nutes differently every few weeks. Maybe I'm not wording this right, lol but help! I'm trying to!

So if your nutrients are say 1-2-2 and in 2 weeks you want to change it to 2-1-1. how do you do this?
the chemical makeup of a nutrient solution will never change no matter how much or little you add. so a 2-1-2 nutrient is always going to be 2-1-2.

most nutrient companies sell both mixes. One for vegatative stage and one for bloom stage. if your growing hydro i think the fox farm trio has great reviews, its easy to use and all the instructions are right on the package.

essentially what you want to do is start out your seedlings in a verry weak solution, something like 200 ppm, then each week increase the PPM about 100. so week one when seedling pops above the rockwool and you place it in your system you will want a 200 ppm solution, week 2 you should start seeing the first set of true leaves and your roots should be growing through your medium and into your hydro area (growing out of the net pot) thenyou should increase the ppm to 300. week 3 you should be seeing significant growth as the roots have grown into the hydroponic solution and are growing at reasonably rapid rates, possibly 4th node already growing. up the nutes to 400ppm. you will neeed to watch the plants, light yellpow colors means nitrogen deficienct, raise the PPM...really really dark leaves and a glossy appearance means toxicity, keep the nutes the same for an additional week unless burn occurs then you want to lower the PPM. this is all the veg nutes.

once your ready for flower you will want to keep the PPM the same on week 1 of flower as it was in the last week of veg. mix 1/2 and 1/2 veg formula and bloom formula, the plants are going through preflower stretch and they need a fair amount of nitrogen. do this 12/ and 1/2 mixture untill the strething stops then just go 100% bloom nutes untill the plant is done. increase the PPM regularly but not more than every 4 days so you can see the plants reactions to the previous increase.

if you start to see signs of toxicity you know that you have reached the max ppm your plants genetics like. back it up around 200 ppm and stick with that for the duration of the grow. this should be around 800-1400 ppm depending on strain. (just a rough figure)

im sure you know all this already. to be honest it would help if you told us more information like medium? cocoa or clay pellet? nutrient company you are using? and hydroponic system you are using. this information allows us to give more detailed feedback for your given circumstances.

make sure you invest in a decent PH meter and PPM meter, some PH up and down and check your rez daily.
 

RetiredMatthebrute

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oh just a disclaimer. i am starting my first DWC as of last weekend i germinated my seed. right now it looks like this

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i think im doing alright as of right now. waiting for roots to start growing into the hydroton.

my PPM is around 450 to start, prob a little too high and i may actually adjust it today down to around 300. also when you get your meters make sure you buy the solutions to calibrate them.
 

hotrodharley

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I think your PPM is far too high to start, Matt. Kron will weigh in and he knows far more than I do on DWC. I start mine between 100-150.
 

Krondizzel

New Member
I think your PPM is far too high to start, Matt. Kron will weigh in and he knows far more than I do on DWC. I start mine between 100-150.
Well, as I tell everyone, PPM depends on root base, environment, plant size, and plant condition. PPM is not a set in stone number. EVER. Starting out.. yeah, 100 or so.. dead on. You're right Harley.
 

Krondizzel

New Member
PPM meters you want to make sure you buy one that has a manual 4/10 calibration. Hanna makes a good one. Bluelab makes the Tri-meter you want though.
 

Krondizzel

New Member
I think your PPM is far too high to start, Matt. Kron will weigh in and he knows far more than I do on DWC. I start mine between 100-150.
I've run:

Passive and Active.
NFT, DWC, EBBFLO, and Top drip.

I prefer the recirculating top drip because I can control my PH through a controller, like you would with an NFT setup.

I've run 5 and 18 gallon bins. 18 is great for plant size but the plant takes much longer in veg to produce 18g worth or roots. 5g buckets is my sweet spot.
 

dtowndabber

Well-Known Member
oh just a disclaimer. i am starting my first DWC as of last weekend i germinated my seed. right now it looks like this

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i think im doing alright as of right now. waiting for roots to start growing into the hydroton.

my PPM is around 450 to start, prob a little too high and i may actually adjust it today down to around 300. also when you get your meters make sure you buy the solutions to calibrate them.
I;m not an expert but everything I've read would indicate that Hotrod is accurate. TOO high for such a small plant
 

hotrodharley

Well-Known Member
I've run:

Passive and Active.
NFT, DWC, EBBFLO, and Top drip.

I prefer the recirculating top drip because I can control my PH through a controller, like you would with an NFT setup.

I've run 5 and 18 gallon bins. 18 is great for plant size but the plant takes much longer in veg to produce 18g worth or roots. 5g buckets is my sweet spot.
Yeah my daughter's fiance is finding out on those 18-gallon Roughneck bins. His Blue Widow is healthy but s-l-o-w compared to WL White Skunk (White Widow X Skunk #1) I planted after his was already up and growing. Mine in 5 gallons. That thing is a monster this morning.
 

Krondizzel

New Member
The 18g is nice because you can get a 6' plant with a single 1000w light. BUT, your veg time is MUCH longer. in a 5g, you're lookin at 1-2 weeks, in a 18, 3-4 weeks. That's just for root development, before the foliage begins to go crazy.

The 18g is awesome BUT a 6' plant almost becomes unmanageable. the 5g will grow 4-5' no problem and you'll have a lot better time dealing with them.
 
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