OK then. Biden 2020.
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hanimmal
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Biden is starting to bring the heat with a economic plan.
https://apnews.com/445168c13f468a4cebc1a644ca7b8432
https://apnews.com/445168c13f468a4cebc1a644ca7b8432
hanimmal
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Fogdog
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whoa
Trump has Biden right where he wants him. Fell right into his trap. Everybody knows polls are wrong, so, a massive advantage in a poll for Biden really means Trump wins easily.
So simple even a Republican can do it. .
hanimmal
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DIY-HP-LED
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Ya might even see a bit of a cultural shift here that will last longer than election cycles, great traumatic events can sometimes do that, but they need to be ripe for change. Getting stopped by mother nature brings you around to science and reason pretty quick, if ya got a brain. The people in Florida and Texas are watching the local news, that is where the threat is, not Portland, or even much to Trump's goon squad, those that will are gonna be pissed by the iron fist of big guberment.
It's dead even in texas and even the senate republican is only a few points ahead of the democrat, this is gonna get worse in Texas and Florida, the only way to check it at this point is to lock down. Don't worry about masks, they won't be going out at all.
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hanimmal
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You could just take the couple minutes it would take to find that for yourself instead of seemingly just assuming that he doesn't have very well laid out plans for pretty much every major issue facing us that will more than take up the next 4 years time.
They have these links to a lot of the things he has taken a stance on.
https://joebiden.com/joes-vision/
And who told you that the Democrats voted for the guy (overwhelmingly) who was promising all the 'free' shit? Because Biden won and there is plenty to get done.
As far as Harris goes, she is the VP, not the President, all the trolling about Biden's health is as stupid now as it was when the Russians were pushing the same shit about Hillary's health.
CannaOnerStar
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I dont get where you think that im assuming that she is the president lol. I said that she is vp and her stance doesent matter. Which is opposite of what you read..
Yea biden said some nice things, im not denying that and if you assume that i am denying it, you are way way way way off with your judgemtns and understading of what im saying. Where is the free education and schools? I hear people want those things and most of who dont, dont want them because they have been fed stupid lies about them, just to make sure that they dont want it and more money can be funneled through insurance companies. Which by the way if you have not figured it out, want profit from it. Why have the middle man in it? It makes no sense and only means that not everyone gets it, unless the government pays insurances for everyone, in which case it doesent mae any sense to have that insurance company taking money in between. Also if the government will jsut start paying for poor peoples insurances. Well why would the insurance companies not raise the prices? Look at what sort of deals they made in the past with these corporate donors of theirs and go figure out what it would look like. Oh wait you dont have to, you already tried to overly expensive obamacare and what ever that other program was called, which was equally overly expensive.
Look at those who donated most money to biden and dnc during biden thing and you will see who biden will serve as #1 priority over people. Im sure he would not fuck you guys in the ass as roughly as trump has and likely will, but he fuck you in the ass, he just might sweet talk a bit more and be more gentle with you. I doubt biden went to collect money from voters only like those who are in it for real, but i have not checked his donor list.
Fogdog
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Vote Republicans out.
CannaOnerStar
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Yea its most likely the best idea. However you should also try to get rid of the other criminals as well. You wont get any change if you just keep the same old DNC elite in charge. It will be the same old same old. Look at how obama handled the protesters at standing rock. Or did you forget about it already?
Obama had an imago that he would be even less likely to do shit like that than even biden(who also doesent have the imago that he would do it, but obama seemed even sweeter), but thats only the imago. Actions speak louder than words, unless ofc you bury your head in the sand and only listen to the propaganda you would like to hear.
CannaOnerStar
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People go demand more from biden instead of just being happy that someone is not trump..
Biden knows that its a tough call and if he has to promise stuff to get more votes, he will be heavily pressured to do so(if he even wants to win in the first place). Maybe then he might actually do a bit more good and not just talk about stuff that is barely better than trump
Biden knows that its a tough call and if he has to promise stuff to get more votes, he will be heavily pressured to do so(if he even wants to win in the first place). Maybe then he might actually do a bit more good and not just talk about stuff that is barely better than trump
hanimmal
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I am sorry you are right, I jumped ahead to the obvious troll.
I will do just that, all your little shitty jabs will have to be looked past because you are just trying to work people up.
You get that those insurance companies that get demonized we actually benefit from them using all those individual insurance payments to invest and pay in times of need. And instead of those millions of people who work in the insurance industry being government workers, they work in private sector. At least post-Obamacare, pre they could kick people off anytime they got sick, so people trying to get the cheapest insurance would get burnt quite often when they most needed it.
And for free education do you not mean the k-12 education, or many federal grants and whatnot. I think I remember Biden saying something about community colleges, because his wife I believe is a professor at one, check that link if you are actually curious though. I am sure you can find a lot of things you agree with him on policy.
I can't make out a actual point to this part to comment. Do you mean the premium payments? Because that is the benefit of insurance, small payments made regularly so that when you need to use it you can access a large sum needed to pay for the expensive medical treatment.
Obamacare has kept the costs of insurance from increasing far faster than it has. Pre-Obamacare was a nightmare if you actually needed insurance, people would just go bankrupt.
Biden didn't have shit for donors until he won the Democratic nomination for president. He went 50 years without cashing in on his political career, you can even see his tax returns. Why do you think he would change now?
UncleBuck
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You’re doing an absolutely shitty job of trying to discourage Biden voters
I’d call you a cuck but that would imply you’ve lost your virginity, russian boy
CannaOnerStar
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Dude, you pay for the insurance companies all the time, you dont pay them only when you need them. Why the heck do you even want a system that doesent cover everyone equally to begin with? If you try to do everything through insurances, it just doesent make any sense.
Instead the government could go to phizer and these other drug companies directly and ask this question; "who gives the cheapest drugs that do the exact same thing or do we need to look abroad for drugs?". And if some drug would be too expensive, they could just tell them that they are endangering the people by trying to make unreasonable profits from a drug they own and could force the company to pay huge fines and take away their patents unless they dropped the prices RIGHT NOW!!!!!
Do you think that the drug prices would go automagically down? Or do you think that the prices have already been negotiated as low as possible? Or do you think that even if the government really really wanted as cheap drugs as possible, they still could not get as good deals as insurance companies giving money to private clinic? Do you realise that many of those people who own large shares of these drug companies, also own large parts of these private hospital companies and also large parts of the insurance companies and also are the people who give money to politicians, so that they would keep up this scam going?
I dont know hat k-12 education is. But i think that education should be free even on university level and students living expenses(including rent, food, electricity, water if not included in rent, medical bills etc and enough to pay for basic stuff like phone, new clothes and internet), should be paid by government for a reasonable time of studying.
You know i never had any sort of insurance myself. There is no need to get any, unless you want to insure some stuff in your home like if it burns down or something, or if you have a car, then insurance for it is required. Which i understand completely, it makes sense in that context. Not in the context of healthcare, which should be provided by government at very affordable prices for all and the bills paid by government for those who dont have any incomes, no complex bureaucracies or shit, just send a pic of the bill to government institution that takes care of these things and its paid, no questions asked.
For example. I had a toothache that i thought would require taking care of immediately. This was during the beginnings of covid where everything had already gotten closed. So there was no room in government dentists, as they were closed and they only bought services from private dental companies if someone cant wait until the covid thing was over(they also do this normally if there are no room in public sector). So i ended up getting an appointment to a private dental clinic that was only 2 days away. The bill was around 85€ for fixing one cavity, reshaping one tooth that they removed the nerve from canal some years ago and also did a quick check up on other teeth. This 85€ would had been the same price than if i had went to government dentist. But the thing is that i did not even have to pay this bill. I was on the covid leave at the time, meaning i got the same benefits as unemployed people, meaning that government paid the bill.
If i had been a someone who makes 8 grand a month, that dentist bill would had still only been 85€. Sure there is a larger part from income taxes going to healthcosts, but its not more than insurances would cost. And as a bonus even if you dont make much money, or dont have any income, you still get to get healthcare, you dont need to worry about having some insurance, so that you would be taken care of if something happens to you. Ofc you can get an insurance here also or use private hospitals etc. but that is not required. Sure there are problems in the public sector and the way they handle it around here is not perfect either, but its still million times better than not having a public healthcare system.
Its completely absurd from my perspective that not every country capable of working in similar fashion to what i just explained dont do it also. USA plenty of means to do this and could easily pull it off, there is nothing stopping it except lying politicians and their propaganda.
Yes it helped many a tons, but it was stupid expensive and it still was not good.
If you got a joint that is covered by dog shit. Sure its better if you scrape some of it off and maybe add some thing that makes it taste better, but personally i would rather roll a new one.
Dunno, maybe its his time to do as he is being told. I havent looked much what he has done in the past, but im looking at what he is saying now. Sure he is less of a threat than trump, especially in the short term, but this biden vs trump is not the real issue. The real issue is that yo uare being scammed by 2 party system. They both play the same game, so that they can take leads in control. The fact that DNC wanted to make biden their nominee should already tell you that biden is not good for the people. Sure better than trump maybe, but an enemy of the enemy is not always your friend you know.. On top of that, i think the whole democrats vs republicans have show is just a show. Hillary and trump and really good friends and the elite that also is behind hillary and which hillary is part of, is now behind biden.
Like i said, if biden wanted to win and wanted to do whats right for the people and what people want, he would had picked bernie as his VP and paraded all over the country how they will together make the country best place, or at least good. But he did not even tho it would had ensured him winning trump easy. You know why? Because they want to keepthe elite control in DNC and they dont want bernie in.
Im glad bernie is trying to infiltrate DNC with some other progressives and destroy the system from the inside, but to be honest, i think bernie should had gone 3rd party and flicked a finger to both DNC and republicans, going all at them and exposing those fuckers. But on the other hand, its likely that they threatened bernie to back up hillary and all that. It would not be the first time from the clintons..
CannaOnerStar
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Im still not your mommy. Either you are really fucking stupid, have some mental disorders or are a russian(or chinese) troll yourself. Which ever it is i dont really care, but like i said, go to your mommy instead if you are feeling bad.