okay this doesn't make since ..

cincity420

cincity420

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If dna selfed a og kush and got og 18 from it , when they selfed og 18 wouldn't that be exactly like selfing a og kush . I don't see how the og 18 seeds could possibly all come out just like that plant if all the og seeds didn't come out all the same .
 
65 views and nobody has any input on this ? I'm thinking I need to find a new site, its like if you don't have a full rep bar people just ignore any post you make. Maybe I need to start acting like a girl I'm sure then this thread would be thirteen pages long .
 
Be patient, especially when your question is unclear.

What do you mean by selfed? They cloned an og? Caused an og to herm and then crossed the female pollen with the original female? Just crossed a og male with an og female?

Say I buy 50 OG seeds. Even if it is a stable strain each of the 50 plants will be slightly different. Say I pick out my two favorite and cross them - the end result will again all be different from each other but more similar to the two parents than the other 48 original plants. Now say I do this a bunch more...they are all still OG but they are slightly different than the original 50 seeds I purchased. To differentiate this a number is placed after the "og" name.

You can name anything btw. Guess what Larry Og is...It's just OG. Happened that one certain plant was a bit better so someone named it - genetically its just one more OG, its brothers and sisters were og, og, og, og, but that one plant happened to get a name. Crazy how caught up people get on names.
 
Og kush 18 is pheno from fem og kush seeds , they grew out 40 plants and picked number 18 as the best and selfed it . Now how is it when selfing an og kush they got multiple phenos bit if they self a og 18 that's the only pheno they get ?
 
I would guess they they took pollen from a female OG Kush, [forced her to produce pollen] and then pollinated a different female OG Kush to produce seeds. Grew the seeds out, picked #18 as the best, forced her [#18] to produce pollen and then self-pollinated her with it to produce more seeds under the label OG Kush 18.

Edit to add: don't know the strain really, just guessing.
 
Did they say they got different phenos or that one was just healthier than the rest? You can have 50 plants of the same strain, same pheno, and yet some will be better/more robust than the rest - of which you want to use to make more seeds. Did they say that it is a single pheno strain?

So round one has phenos A, B, C and round two can have phenos D, E, F. They each have 3 phenos but the three are still different from each other. - another possibility.
 
News flash. Breeders lie about genetics in order to make sales. Not stating this is the case in this specific situation, just something always worth bearing in mind.
 
That's what I'm asking , I'm not sure how they would be able to get og 18 to consistently produce that pheno out of every seed .
 
tip top toker said:
News flash. Breeders lie about genetics in order to make sales. Not stating this is the case in this specific situation, just something always worth bearing in mind.
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Amen to this. Although regardless of the lineage I bet it's nice. DNA has never let me down. Their Chocolope is by far my all time fav smoke.
 
I mean unless it consistently produced the number 18 pheno then essentially you are just buying og kush seeds and not some special phenotype .
 
WolfZen said:
I would guess they they took pollen from a female OG Kush, [forced her to produce pollen] and then pollinated a different female OG Kush to produce seeds. Grew the seeds out, picked #18 as the best, forced her [#18] to produce pollen and then self-pollinated her with it to produce more seeds under the label OG Kush 18.
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The female forced to create bananas and pollen would not be used to make seeds. The plant would be stressed. There would be a crop of clones of her, plants that were not stressed, that would be pollinated to make seeds.
 
cincity420 said:
I mean unless it consistently produced the number 18 pheno then essentially you are just buying og kush seeds and not some special phenotype .
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There will always be a change in genetics from generation to generation. Say I have OG Kush with 3 phenos; 1, 2 and 3. If I take OGK1 and self it the seeds may have 3 phenos but they will all be more reminiscent of pheno 1 than 2 or 3. So OGK1 might produce OGK1a, OGK1b, OGK1c. Now if you self OGK2 you get OGK2a, OGK2b, OGK2c... So although you aren't guaranteed a particular pheno you are guaranteed one of two or three phenos more reminiscent of the original (#18 ) than other possible og genetics. OGK1a is more like OGK1 than OGK2. And OGK2a is more like OGK2 than OGK3...
 
Brick Top said:
The female forced to create bananas and pollen would not be used to make seeds. The plant would be stressed. There would be a crop of clones of her, plants that were not stressed, that would be pollinated to make seeds.
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Could you explain where feminized seeds come from?
 
Just checked, and only feminized seeds are available for OG Kush #18. Which would mean that they did produce the seeds through pollen taken from a female #18.

Not sure what the other poster meant regarding a crop of clones. Even if a crop of clones were taken they'd have to be pollinated from a #18 female in order to produce the feminized seeds for sale (just like any feminized seeds for sale).
 
WolfZen said:
Just checked, and only feminized seeds are available for OG Kush #18. Which would mean that they did produce the seeds through pollen taken from a female #18.

Not sure what the other poster meant regarding a crop of clones. Even if a crop of clones were taken they'd have to be pollinated from a #18 female in order to produce the feminized seeds for sale (just like any feminized seeds for sale).
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I think what he meant is that feminized pollen was taken from stressed female plants and used to pollinate different non-stressed female clones. You generally do not let a stressed female self-pollinate herself which is what another poster stated.
 
Gastanker said:
I think what he meant is that feminized pollen was taken from stressed female plants and used to pollinate different non-stressed female clones. You generally do not let a stressed female self-pollinate herself which is what another poster stated.
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But I already stated:

WolfZen said:
I would guess they they took pollen from a female OG Kush, [forced her to produce pollen] and then pollinated a different female OG Kush to produce seeds.
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This is the breeder/seller description:

We selected The #18 out of the feminized OG Kush seeds we first released. The #18 was so good in many ways we had to re-feminize her!
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I can't see how they could have really done it any other way than what they state...
 
Originally Posted by Brick Top

The female forced to create bananas and pollen would not be used to make seeds. The plant would be stressed. There would be a crop of clones of her, plants that were not stressed, that would be pollinated to make seeds.
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WolfZen said:
Could you explain where feminized seeds come from?
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Sure. A female plant or plants will have clones taken. The original female plant or plants will be forced to create bananas using colloidal silver or silver thiosulfate or gibberellic Acid (GA3) or Rodelization. The pollen from the male bananas will then be used to pollinate the crop of clones.

There is a great deal of confusion among the uninformed about feminized seeds and hermaphrodites. Many wrongly assume that a hermaphrodite pollinating itself is virtually the same thing as making feminized seeds, just with a different means being the cause for the bananas and pollen.

But that is not true. A female plant that turns, be it due to light stress or any other type of stress or the use of colloidal silver or silver thiosulfate or gibberellic Acid (GA3) or Rodelization, is still a stressed plant and one that would have a tendency of passing on the unwanted hermie trait to the seeds it would produce. The way to reduce that likelihood is to use the pollen on stress-free females.

Is there anything else you would like to know, like why that orange stuff forms on the top of chili, or something?
 
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