Mr. Chance
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Im not quite sure that LED lights are the primary factor for the skunk being lost. There are lots of old-school growers up in Humboldt and all over the country that haven't changed their outdoor growing tactics for decades yet the skunk is still MIA. Please don't misunderstand me I agree with you 100% that you need the full spectrum UV light in order for the plants to create maximum terpene production. That is for sure. There is no doubt that outdoor plants thrive better than indoor. And I also agree that old school HPS and MH produce higher quality and stinkier terpene smells than LED. However I believe that it was the DEA that really killed skunk all the growers started to get busted when CAMP came through there was a decade when the government really started cracking down hard and I think most growers simply started cross breeding fruity strains cuz they were sweeter like candy and they didn't get you busted immediately by the German Shepherd drug dogs like the older skunk strains would.
UpstateRecGrower
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Idk, I've grown with UV lights and didn't notice any difference in terps among probably 20+ strains, I don't even turn them on anymore..
Mr. Chance
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Well perhaps you are a killer grower and have your nutrients dialed perfect because I have experienced problems. I have a really powerful LED board the HLG Scorpion Diablo and if I push it hard in bloom I will often experience Calcium and Magnesium and other deficiencies pop up. Lower power LEDs and outdoor I never experienced deficiency issues. The higher the output of the LED the higher the likelihood of potential deficiency issues IMO. I added two UV reptile bulbs and am supplementing extra CalMag. I am checking my PH constantly now and the problems are beginning to correct themselves now. LEDs can be little tricky bitches I run same exact cuts outside same exact soil same exact nutrients yet no deficiency rust spots show up. its definitely the LEDs.
UpstateRecGrower
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I run the highest amount of Ca possible, I keep Mg somewhat high. Ive ran Solacure Super B's for over a year, harvest once a month so about 12 runs under them, didn't notice anything different compared to after using them or before.
Edit: if you're experiencing multiple deficiencies when pushing them harder I would think the overall EC might need a boost. Most people don't use much Ca or Mg so my belief is that is why those deficiencies will show first.
Agreed i think lighting has nothing to do with it
I think the skunk was bred too much to change its terpene profile, between this and outdoor crops that got cross pollinated with unknown genetics probably also played a part. The old school skunks are still out there, they are just so much harder to find these days, which is really sad. A classic like that should be a lot easier to obtain.
budtoker221
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What kind of chemicals do you think the big commercial grows were using in the 90s? Eagle 20? IBA hormone all the way thru flower?
Has GH changed the ingredients in their 3 part since then?
Perhaps they were using a specific type of hydro nutrients?
Has GH changed the ingredients in their 3 part since then?
Perhaps they were using a specific type of hydro nutrients?
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My Island Sweet Skunk I have no hope of it being a real skunky strain, it has a fruity tone to it already.. It smells great, but for sure not that skunk spray. I haven't smoked true skunk spray weed since back in the late 90s to early 2000s, after this the OG fad started and the skunks just faded away.. One day I will find her again.
Mellow old School
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It might be me, but mate, Sweet Skunk is sweet, not so weird hence the name givin to the strain.
Have a good weekend people...
Im well aware of the lineage of Island Sweet Skunk.. There is also pheno hunting, not every plant will be the same, her parent lines are 85 Skunk1 and Grapefruit, I was looking more for the skunk then the grapefruit. All part of growing tho so Im good with her so far, Ill keep looking until I find one.
budtoker221
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“Super Skunk or what ever it's called theses days, was prime breeding stock. This will be in a lot of the new varieties today. I once did an analysis on sales statistics. Mine and Sensi's. Super Skunk is the number one variety sold by volume of seeds. NL5xHzC was the number one income producing variety. SS was cheaper.
It was AfgT (ML) that put some super into the skunk. SK1 had bud structure and caylyx to leaf ratio. The best thing about SK1 is the lack of leaf in the bud. Pull off a few fan leaves and your done. The trouble is, most skunks are bland and uninspiring. They are also the first plants in your grow room to show problems. I often used to use one as a canary in the mine. Spider mites love 'em. But SK1 is unparalleled for improving bud structure.
AfgT had a sister, AfgS. This was a sweeter version than the T. It was, however AfgSxSk1 that produced the strongest specimen. This one plant AfgSxSk1 was awe inspiring. It tasted like a Hash Plant with real depth an quality. Strong, strong, strong! I had crossed this plant back to Sk1 and then to SS. This is where I'd be looking to resurrect the best of Maple leaf. In general, plants with AfgS in it's make up should be crossed with AfgT line plants. Sooner or later, throw backs will pop up. As I've said before, I believe, bases on similarity of types and smells, that the Maple Leaf strain is the Afghan behind the original skunks.
I wonder if Shanti has used lines containing AfgS?”
^^^^quote from Nevil over at the MNS forum.
It was AfgT (ML) that put some super into the skunk. SK1 had bud structure and caylyx to leaf ratio. The best thing about SK1 is the lack of leaf in the bud. Pull off a few fan leaves and your done. The trouble is, most skunks are bland and uninspiring. They are also the first plants in your grow room to show problems. I often used to use one as a canary in the mine. Spider mites love 'em. But SK1 is unparalleled for improving bud structure.
AfgT had a sister, AfgS. This was a sweeter version than the T. It was, however AfgSxSk1 that produced the strongest specimen. This one plant AfgSxSk1 was awe inspiring. It tasted like a Hash Plant with real depth an quality. Strong, strong, strong! I had crossed this plant back to Sk1 and then to SS. This is where I'd be looking to resurrect the best of Maple leaf. In general, plants with AfgS in it's make up should be crossed with AfgT line plants. Sooner or later, throw backs will pop up. As I've said before, I believe, bases on similarity of types and smells, that the Maple Leaf strain is the Afghan behind the original skunks.
I wonder if Shanti has used lines containing AfgS?”
^^^^quote from Nevil over at the MNS forum.
Afghan T / "Devil"
Hi all! Was wondering if anyone can tell me...is there afghan T genes in the strain "devil"? What mns strains have afghan T bred into them?
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budtoker221
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Another quote from Nevil referencing the Afghan T :
“The Maple Leaf came from a guy known to me as Jim Ortega. We traded seeds for a while. Not only did he supply me with Maple Leaf, but also Garlic Bud and Kush 4. The cannabis smoking world owes him a lot.
The Maple Leaf line provided me with a plant that I labeled Afghan T. This plant is the mother of Super/Ultra Skunk and also crossed well with HzC.
Kush 4, I crossed with NL2(which had the same Kush smell) and this Kush Hybrid is the foundation of todays Kush lines.
Garlic bud has also made it's presence felt and is part of todays super yielders.
Let me say one more thing about ML AfgT. This plant had exactly the same smell as Sams best SK1 but more so. It is the true Skunk archetype. I do not believe for one N.Y. minute that Afghani#1 is behind the SK1, which IMO gives credence to the Mendecino Joe story about SK1.
The world owes you a big Thank You Jim!
Let me be the first to say that I appreciate the work that you have done.”
“The Maple Leaf came from a guy known to me as Jim Ortega. We traded seeds for a while. Not only did he supply me with Maple Leaf, but also Garlic Bud and Kush 4. The cannabis smoking world owes him a lot.
The Maple Leaf line provided me with a plant that I labeled Afghan T. This plant is the mother of Super/Ultra Skunk and also crossed well with HzC.
Kush 4, I crossed with NL2(which had the same Kush smell) and this Kush Hybrid is the foundation of todays Kush lines.
Garlic bud has also made it's presence felt and is part of todays super yielders.
Let me say one more thing about ML AfgT. This plant had exactly the same smell as Sams best SK1 but more so. It is the true Skunk archetype. I do not believe for one N.Y. minute that Afghani#1 is behind the SK1, which IMO gives credence to the Mendecino Joe story about SK1.
The world owes you a big Thank You Jim!
Let me be the first to say that I appreciate the work that you have done.”
questions for Nevil on afghani and kush lines (the other grail!)
I've seen a mixed bag of reveiws also...but as you say Ortega....most folks dont go for pure inbred Affis. as a breeding tool,it looks stellar. If any of you have seen Rolentory's Skunk Mag and forums...Rolan likes it...alot,both pure as head stash and in breeding.
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oldtymemusic
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no....no.... no! lol. the same thing has been said about blueberry and bb bushes.
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oldtymemusic
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my dad and his buddies were using peters and m.g. on their skunk in the 80s-90s. wasnt no hi speed stuff around town then.
VincenzioVonHook
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Try alladin's skunk from khalifa genetics. Basically a stabilised skunk #1 from the 70s/80s.
25% Afghan, 25% Thai and 50% South American.
25% Afghan, 25% Thai and 50% South American.
Bakersfield
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I just spent the last 5 months down in Arkansas.
I hadn't been around a dead skunk in almost 20 years and forgot what they smelled like.
I can honestly say that the Chemdawg genetics when grown in coco coir does smell very much like a dead skunk on the road.
I hadn't been around a dead skunk in almost 20 years and forgot what they smelled like.
I can honestly say that the Chemdawg genetics when grown in coco coir does smell very much like a dead skunk on the road.