Old School Skunk, who's found it???

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smokerjimbob

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jimihendrix1 said:
Ive been smoking since 1967, grew my 1st plant in 1972. Started trying to grow lopng flowering landrace sativas, with SHO - 8ft Fluroescent bulbs, in 75, with very limited success. Then, around 77-78, they started advertising a 1000w Metal Halide buld, that the Navy used for growing veggies, in their subs, when they go no contact for months at a time. They supplement their diets, with frest grown veggies.
The bulb was so fragile, they wouldnt guarantee it would survive shipping. So no warranty. about 6 months after that, someone came out with the Supernova 1000w Halide, and was rugged enough to survive shipping.

We had the real deal skunk where I am. North East, Ky, as far back as 1977. First I ever saw, my buddy got it from Meigs County, Ohio, which was known as the Humboldt County, of the East.
My buddy older buddy ( RIP ) played in a band, that opened for Joe Walsh, in Charleston Wva, in 1972, and he met a guy nicknamed "Noodles" who we now know, was a legendary grower in Meigs.
He is the creator of Meigs county Gold, which is Skj#2 x Acapulco Gold. And I have no idea which version of Sk2.
Meigs Gold, was Willie Nelsons favorite weed, in the 70s-80s, and used to come to Noodles farm, in Racine.
noodles gave my buddy the first Indica, we had ever heard of. This was in 1973. And growers for sure did know, to kill males.
But my buddy called it Beach Ball, because it grew like a round bush. No more than 6ft tall, and would get 7 feet wide, if given enough sun, water, and started early in the season. It dried to a deep brick red, and would choke you to death,.

In 1978, Noodles gave my buddy the first Skunk, we ever heard of. My buddy grew it until 1984, when an alleged friend, ratted him out, and both strains were lost. The Skunk my buddy had, was Sativa Dominant, and had long, medium sized colas, and would get 10 feet tall, if given the chance.
And while I dont know if Noodles told him the truth, he told my buddy, the Skunk he had, was a cross of South Indian Kerela, and an unnamed Indica. AND, this Indica he had, was Narrow Leaf, and not Afghanica/Broad Leaf.
Noodles would be 80 years old, and started collecting seeds, in the 60s.
He passed in 2020, in Huntington Wva, at St Marys Med Center. I found my buddy passed 2 years, this Oct 31.
COPA Genetics, is working with some of Noodles Genetics, and were said to be given to COPA by Noodles Nephew, who is friends with Noodles Nephew, and they hunt, together.
Noodles real name was William Keith Hayes. He is legend, in Appalachia.
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Real skunk?
 
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conor c

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It dont help to identify it cos the leaves with Afghans dont mean so much in the respect that in one variety you can have both wide or thin in the same strain alot of there stuff varies that way not the classic fat leaf indica people select towards dont get me wrong some lines are more towards the stereotype afghanica but most have a fair amount of variation
 
jimihendrix1

jimihendrix1

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smokerjimbob said:
Real skunk?
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Yes. Skunk/Skunk.
Others, are Skunk, in name only.
And being from Kentucky, I know exactly, what a Skunk, smells like.

The stuff my buddy had, never once threw any broad leaf plants, in 11 years of growing it. Lebanese, and some others are also narrow leaf. Most today, are hybridized.

Also the NL5 x Haze-Hashplant/Sk1, was all Narrow Leaf, and never saw one broad leaf plant. Every lant was like a clone of the next one. In almost 7 years, I never saw one bad plant. It was a given, every female, would be potent, and it was dominant, in every cross we ever made.

In the late 60s, when weed was legal in Nepal, and all the hippies were smoking up all the local stuff, the King of Nepal, declared a state of emergency, because of the shortage, and imported Broad Leaf cultivars, from Afghanistan, and they said, they always considered Broad Leaf, to be Inferior vs Narrow Leaf. Thats also one of the beginnings of diluting the old, original narrow leaf gene pools, in Nepal. Though, I also know some of the Afghan, is narrow leaf. Or can have both. I saw both narrow, and HUGE, on MAZAR. Some plants got 10 feet tall, others, 3ft. Both Narrow, and broad leaf.
 
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Sativied

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conor c said:
It dont help to identify it cos the leaves with Afghans dont mean so much in the respect that in one variety you can have both wide or thin in the same strain alot of there stuff varies that way not the classic fat leaf indica people select towards dont get me wrong some lines are more towards the stereotype afghanica but most have a fair amount of variation
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Aside from that, one trait is at best linked to 10% of the rest. Given that it has 10 pairs of chromosomes. Seeing narrow vs/and broad can give an indication it's not pure, but especially after more than a few generations or hybridizing it's hardly any indication on traits that matter most to the end product.
 
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conor c

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Sativied said:
Aside from that, one trait is at best linked to 10% of the rest. Given that it has 10 pairs of chromosomes. Seeing narrow vs/and broad can give an indication it's not pure, but especially after more than a few generations or hybridizing it's hardly any indication on traits that matter most to the end product.
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Well they are hybrids wld x nld most of the northern afghans are so there really afghan turkestani you wanna be technical they just been inbred and with enough numbers in the right area for long enough to be there own thing
 
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smokerjimbob

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jimihendrix1 said:
Yes. Skunk/Skunk.
Others, are Skunk, in name only.
And being from Kentucky, I know exactly, what a Skunk, smells like.

The stuff my buddy had, never once threw any broad leaf plants, in 11 years of growing it. Lebanese, and some others are also narrow leaf. Most today, are hybridized.

Also the NL5 x Haze-Hashplant/Sk1, was all Narrow Leaf, and never saw one broad leaf plant. Every lant was like a clone of the next one. In almost 7 years, I never saw one bad plant. It was a given, every female, would be potent, and it was dominant, in every cross we ever made.

In the late 60s, when weed was legal in Nepal, and all the hippies were smoking up all the local stuff, the King of Nepal, declared a state of emergency, because of the shortage, and imported Broad Leaf cultivars, from Afghanistan, and they said, they always considered Broad Leaf, to be Inferior vs Narrow Leaf. Thats also one of the beginnings of diluting the old, original narrow leaf gene pools, in Nepal. Though, I also know some of the Afghan, is narrow leaf. Or can have both. I saw both narrow, and HUGE, on MAZAR. Some plants got 10 feet tall, others, 3ft. Both Narrow, and broad leaf.
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I almost pulled the trigger on that one. Put it in the cart and went to buy but decided to do a search for Meig Seeds just in case.

Interestingly enough RIU has a tread on Meigs Gold and the consensus seems to be that Meigs Gold died out. They all went to jail or passed away apparently.

https://www.rollitup.org/t/meigs-county-gold.510581/
 
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DreadyBob

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smokerjimbob said:
I almost pulled the trigger on that one. Put it in the cart and went to buy but decided to do a search for Meig Seeds just in case.

Interestingly enough RIU has a tread on Meigs Gold and the consensus seems to be that Meigs Gold died out. They all went to jail or passed away apparently.

https://www.rollitup.org/t/meigs-county-gold.510581/
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That's my night time reading done
jimihendrix1 said:
Noodles Son, is a member here, though he almost never comes here.
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seems as though he posted in the thread mentioned above. Fascinating reading by the way. How all the dots get connected after all this time, how many stories on these forums could be turned into films or books.
Madjags story has to be the most interesting to me.
 
Slowpoke Rodriguez

Slowpoke Rodriguez

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Anyone who has traveled around north America knows that all skunks(the animal )smell differently depending on their region and subspecies.
And some are so lightweight that there is no way people can smell roadkill carion from a dead skunk. Maybe a bigass hognose .
However small Southern California skunks are pure spray with No burnt rubber like midwest skunks.
Now apply that variable to everyones perception of what Skunkbud smelled like......
This poor dead horse has been beaten on for so long
 
ChocoKush

ChocoKush

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Slowpoke Rodriguez said:
Anyone who has traveled around north America knows that all skunks(the animal )smell differently depending on their region and subspecies.
And some are so lightweight that there is no way people can smell roadkill carion from a dead skunk. Maybe a bigass hognose .
However small Southern California skunks are pure spray with No burnt rubber like midwest skunks.
Now apply that variable to everyones perception of what Skunkbud smelled like......
This poor dead horse has been beaten on for so long
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if the usa didn't have skunks here then the term would not even be use for cannabis here.
 
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smokerjimbob

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To me most of the kind weed from back in the day smelled like skunk. Unless it was purple kush, most green, kind bud smelled either 1) skunky or 2) piny. Of course this was all black market weed. Likely sold by either underground growers or some guys basement. All these guys I can't find anymore or went out of business. Haven't bought weed in a plastic baggy in more than 20 years.

Contrast that to today's commercial weed. It comes in a big ass glass jar and it all smells either spicy, fruity, root beery or like moth balls.
 
80skunk

80skunk

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80skunk said:
Have U ever smoked Univ. Washington x black hash ,,,its great ,, Shoe sent them to me to try , purple zebra x 84 humboldt skunk , I'm trying to get them outside this time ,
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Its UW black hash x g13 headie farms good one , I'm looking thru my seeds now.
 
Funkentelechy

Funkentelechy

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Slowpoke Rodriguez said:
Anyone who has traveled around north America knows that all skunks(the animal )smell differently depending on their region and subspecies.
And some are so lightweight that there is no way people can smell roadkill carion from a dead skunk. Maybe a bigass hognose .
However small Southern California skunks are pure spray with No burnt rubber like midwest skunks.
Now apply that variable to everyones perception of what Skunkbud smelled like......
This poor dead horse has been beaten on for so long
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I agree. There will never be a consensus on what is true old school skunk, there were many strains called skunk back in the day and they all were the "real" one to each individual smoker/grower. we can't even agree on what skunk smells like as it varies regionally. Still, I love the discussion because it always involves origin stories of what I consider to be the golden age of cannabis breeding. It won't be long before all of the people involved are gone and those stories can't be told firsthand.
We're all standing on the shoulders of giants and I am so grateful for the fruits of their passions.
 
Tolerance Break

Tolerance Break

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jimihendrix1 said:
I had that catalog. And notice is says Sweet Taste. I bought the Afghani #1, and the Sk1. I wish I could find some good genes of the old Afghani #1. Its aka M10. Ive read more bad reports than good on the Sensi Version.
He was talking about the Sk1, being grown, and stabilized since 1975. Not Skunk, in general.
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Can't speak to the quality or authenticity, but AKBB just started listing M10 in his seed list.
 
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