Organic vs. hydro... another rant.

Observe & Report said:

Monsanto doesn't own or manufacture either Miracle Grow or General Hydroponics. Replying "I'd rather not" when someone suggests you look at something that might contradict your closely held beliefs is practically the definition of ignorance.

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funny you mention ignorance while saying a completely erroneous statement.
miracle grow is scotts, scotts is monsantos business partner.
i said i'd rather not because i refuse to give Monsanto money.
Try not to be extra stupid next time, these are public forums and you just make yourself look bad.

Observe & Report said:

Monsanto doesn't own or manufacture either Miracle Grow or General Hydroponics. Replying "I'd rather not" when someone suggests you look at something that might contradict your closely held beliefs is practically the definition of ignorance.

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https://www.thestreet.com/story/13157813/1/monsanto-and-scotts-miracle-gro-expand-long-standing-partnership.html

http://www.gardencentermag.com/article/monsanto-scotts-miracle-gro-deal/

i'd say "partnership" would entail something huh?

You don't have a problem with Monsanto?
You do know they do some reaaaaal fucked up shit right?
especially in third world countries..
but it's ok, cuz you can use their products to grow pot..
numbnuts

OMRI is a sham, what the fuck good is it when you have a carbon footprint the size of texas cause the product you just bought was 80% plus water. If you're gonna do hydro and dont have capacity to make your own organic nutes you should use solid salts (responsibly, minimal dtw) imo. This industry sucks from an envirnmental and health and safety perspective, sad.

SSGrower said:

. This industry sucks from an environmental and health and safety perspective, sad.

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VERY true my man, just the amount of energy wasted from the electricity bills alone..
won't even mention the bottles, people throwing away soil (even i did that, waaaay back in the early 2000s)
the mining of the phosphates, the nutrient rich run-off or dumping of reservoir, etc, etc...
Although cannabis growers typically don't use imidacloprids, those are believed to be contributing or even directly causing the colony collapse disorder with bees..
I don't think people realize the magnitude of what would happen if we lost bees entirely.

only way to truly do it the "clean" way is to either supplement with a bunch of solar panels, or simply just grow outside.
but an outside grow, with a compost "waste" based mix, meaning it's made from others waste, grass clippings and leaves for example, and then incorporate some biochar, and you may damn well actually have a negative carbon footprint on a grow like that

For the record i grow inside, under lights, juuust like ya'all
i wasn't preaching, in fact, sometimes i think too often i'm misinterpreted and easily perceived as being preachy.
Or a prick.
Preachy i'm not
prick i can be.
But only when provoked, i'm a peaceful puppy dog otherwise.

I grow inside and outside. Whatever is feasible and most efficient.
In fact, I'm going to move my grow outdoors very soon. Gotta finish off what's flowering in the tent, then all of my vegging plants will go outside and I can clean up the grow area inside. It'll work out well because I'm pretty sure there are mites on these plants and the natural predators in my backyard will wipe them out. Tons of tiny spiders, and I'm sure there are predatory mites nearby.
Wind and rain also work wonders keeping plants clean & healthy. I'm a little worried about cold temps & PM, but the plants are very healthy and should be fine.

greasemonkeymann said:

funny you mention ignorance while saying a completely erroneous statement.
miracle grow is scotts, scotts is monsantos business partner.
i said i'd rather not because i refuse to give Monsanto money.
Try not to be extra stupid next time, these are public forums and you just make yourself look bad.
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The Shit deepens...with Bayer now owning Monsanto

Bayer the very same outfit that supplied the nazis with gas

...imo //avoid

https://www.rollitup.org/t/bayer-confirms-66bn-monsanto-takeover.920951/#post-12966844

Chunky Stool said:

I grow inside and outside. Whatever is feasible and most efficient.
In fact, I'm going to move my grow outdoors very soon. Gotta finish off what's flowering in the tent, then all of my vegging plants will go outside and I can clean up the grow area inside. It'll work out well because I'm pretty sure there are mites on these plants and the natural predators in my backyard will wipe them out. Tons of tiny spiders, and I'm sure there are predatory mites nearby.
Wind and rain also work wonders keeping plants clean & healthy. I'm a little worried about cold temps & PM, but the plants are very healthy and should be fine.

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speaking from a shitty couple experiences... if your plants are vegging under a typical 18/6, they'll flower when put outside.. almost for sure
what i ended up doing (with mixed results, some strains didn't like it, the girl scout cookie, sugarpunch, and purple paralysis, but vege at a 14/10 or a 15/9
but even still a lot of my strains flowered immediately, shit i even waited for summer solstice to bring em out, and even the friggin longest day of the yr was waaay too much of a night difference, and all but my sativa hybrids flowered.
jack herer, SCbluedream, annnd one other... why cant i remember this one?...
shit...
OH, sour lemon og!
which was a helluva pheno, rest it's soul...

vostok said:

The Shit deepens...with Bayer now owning Monsanto

Bayer the very same outfit that supplied the nazis with gas

...imo //avoid

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bayer of the aforementioned-in-this-thread forbid......
funny how most of the big ass companies are almost incestuous at this point
auto manufacturers are some of the worst...
kia working for ford, ford with mazda, GM and Daimler with damn near everything...
dodge and Mercedes, Nissan with Renault, Mitsubishi and dodge/eagle
only one that i can think of that isn't too bad in that regard is Honda, and Hyundai to a degree, (i hate Korean cars though, they are really shitty... across the board, granted their newer high end stuff is a LOT better, but their engine designs are still shitty..
and Daewoo/kia/Hyundai reaaaaaally shit the bed when they first came to the American market, so it's hard to overcome that

Shit.. sorry for the totally off topic boring car-rant there fellas
coffee is a helluva drug

greasemonkeymann said:

bayer of the aforementioned-in-this-thread forbid......
funny how most of the big ass companies are almost incestuous at this point
auto manufacturers are some of the worst...
kia working for ford, ford with mazda, GM and Daimler with damn near everything...
dodge and Mercedes, Nissan with Renault, Mitsubishi and dodge/eagle
only one that i can think of that isn't too bad in that regard is Honda, and Hyundai to a degree, (i hate Korean cars though, they are really shitty... across the board, granted their newer high end stuff is a LOT better, but their engine designs are still shitty..
and Daewoo/kia/Hyundai reaaaaaally shit the bed when they first came to the American market, so it's hard to overcome that

Shit.. sorry for the totally off topic boring car-rant there fellas
coffee is a helluva drug

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SUBARU i like honda and VW as well.

I went from 74 Lada to 75 Chevy malibu coup'e in one step

try driving that sucker down a 200yo cobblestone hiway ..? lol

ShLUbY said:

SUBARU i like honda and VW as well.

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subarus are great, but they pop head gaskets more than any engine I have ever seen
we joke and call head gaskets and the timing belt as a 100,000 mile service.
especially the sohc h-4, the dohc does it too, but not nearly as bad.
but the 2 cylinders simply doesn't seem to cool as well as an inline 4
only have two on each side and the jackets aren't very big
subarus perform well though, that's for sure.
now as far as VW.... i'm not the guy to ask on this, cuz I fuckin hate them.
no candy coating that at all
they are beautiful cars, but seriously lacking in the engine and tranny dept.
and the design?
fuck me.. you ever hear of a shitty asinine procedure called "service mode"?
just a 2 or 3 hour job on Passats, Audis, and such
you um. need to take off the ENTIRE fuckin bumper in order to even start on anything
lights, bumper, radiator, tranny cooler lines
or my other favorite thing is the fact that they like to use sixteen different fuckin parts for the same damn engines, all microscopically different..
they like to use PLASTIC water pump impellers that like to break off and lodge inside the engine block, and since it's plastic, you can use magnets or anything to draw them out...
I could go on and on
typical german car though, they all are beautiful, they mostly perform well, they all pay attention to the details moreso than Japanese and American cars..
BUT
almost across the board, german cars break down WAY more than normal cars
and justifiably so.
much more complex

greasemonkeymann said:

funny you mention ignorance while saying a completely erroneous statement.
miracle grow is scotts, scotts is monsantos business partner.
i said i'd rather not because i refuse to give Monsanto money.
Try not to be extra stupid next time, these are public forums and you just make yourself look bad.

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greasemonkeymann said:

https://www.thestreet.com/story/13157813/1/monsanto-and-scotts-miracle-gro-expand-long-standing-partnership.html

http://www.gardencentermag.com/article/monsanto-scotts-miracle-gro-deal/

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Did you even read the links you posted? Monsanto doesn't own or manufacture Miracle Grow or any other fertilizer. Monsanto makes seeds and herbicide. Don't buy their herbicide and you'll be OK.

Observe & Report said:

Did you even read the links you posted? Monsanto doesn't own or manufacture Miracle Grow or any other fertilizer. Monsanto makes seeds and herbicide. Don't buy their herbicide and you'll be OK.

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so you seem to have comprehension issues as well?
I seem to have used the word "partnership", theres the original response of mine.

greasemonkeymann said:

funny you mention ignorance while saying a completely erroneous statement.
miracle grow is scotts, scotts is monsantos business partner.
i said i'd rather not because i refuse to give Monsanto money.
Try not to be extra stupid next time, these are public forums and you just make yourself look bad.
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they are "partners"
and I never add links without reading them first, ever.
My whole world is predicated on being concise and thorough.
Weren't you not supposed to be extra stupid this time?
you either haven't done much research on how fucked up Monsanto is, or you are somehow condoning the shit they do.
I will not support any entity that is a business partner/has financial interest in with Monsanto.
Do some research.
read this, and fact-check it if you want

Hyundai and Kia are twins. Corporations are not purists. Short sighted profits have become the only motivation. This cross branding the same damn product is the norm. In my world that might be Merc outboards and Yamaha, Shakespeare, Bass Pro, Pflueger, Browning rods and reels. Or Lew's and Five Gills. Renault engines for Nissan. Honda drive trains in Saturn. Burger King and Schwans and KFC and more out of the same plant.

Flowermate, Boundless and other vapes all designed and made by Smiss.

Corporations are loyal only to their largest holders and possess no emotion or moral values. They are massively intertwined and it is virtually impossible not to interact with them in some way whether we know it or not.

I try to be aware and to live in a conscious and respectful manner but don't obsess either. I am not a Purist but at least I know it.

hillbill said:

Hyundai and Kia are twins. Corporations are not purists. Short sighted profits have become the only motivation. This cross branding the same damn product is the norm. In my world that might be Merc outboards and Yamaha, Shakespeare, Bass Pro, Pflueger, Browning rods and reels. Or Lew's and Five Gills. Renault engines for Nissan. Honda drive trains in Saturn. Burger King and Schwans and KFC and more out of the same plant.

Flowermate, Boundless and other vapes all designed and made by Smiss.

Corporations are loyal only to their largest holders and possess no emotion or moral values. They are massively intertwined and it is virtually impossible not to interact with them in some way whether we know it or not.

I try to be aware and to live in a conscious and respectful manner but don't obsess either. I am not a Purist but at least I know it.

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Sounds like how LEDs are made, almost all are made in the same factory in shenzhen china. They even make "american" leds in their chinese factory (cree makes theirs there and somehow calls them american made....)

http://www.cree.com/news-media/news/article/cree-opens-engineering-center-in-shenzhen-china-to-aid-high-quality-led-luminaire-design

Cree even teaches in mandarin them how to produce their LEDs. Ya know since mandarin is the national language of american and all.....it's the same as buying a ford...made in mexico...but it's american made? Bunch of bs to be honest if you think monsanto isn't in cahoots with these companies you don't know the first thing about american enterprise and big buisness, they would sell their own mothers to get ahead in the world.

Johnny-mariseed said:

Ok, listen...I don't get it. I'm growing "farm-organic" homemade (I'm not going to say the ss word here for fear of confrontation) soil and feed teas and my pest control is 100% organic (minus neem but that's debatable) and I go to the "hydro store" usually to laugh at the prices on the bottles and I. Just. Don't. Get. It. All y'all talking about ph and "tiger bloom Ching" and I'm all like "man if I had to grow hydro... I think I'd quit growing out of frustration, lack of knowledge,terminology and fear of inevitable failure. Which puts me in a bad place as far as I'm concerned. But instead I got high quality, clean, earth friendly medicine for myself. It just seems like y'all wanna do shit the hard way and for what? More weight and less quality. (oops, here it comes! Let me just say it befor you do, "dude, theres no proof" or this one...."dude, there IS proof hydros as good/better then organics....blah blah blah.". You know what your trading your quality for weight and you have zero respect for the earth and in turn life in general and it's selfish and greedy and for that.... I'm out boys. Give me a good reason to switch that will benefit someone or something other then me. I'm all ears.... and some mouth.

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I do both and you are just rambling lol.You shouldn't try and pick debates that will cause fights. Since you are talking about organics do you know about Korean natural farming?

Johnny-mariseed said:

Ok, listen...I don't get it. I'm growing "farm-organic" homemade (I'm not going to say the ss word here for fear of confrontation) soil and feed teas and my pest control is 100% organic (minus neem but that's debatable) and I go to the "hydro store" usually to laugh at the prices on the bottles and I. Just. Don't. Get. It. All y'all talking about ph and "tiger bloom Ching" and I'm all like "man if I had to grow hydro... I think I'd quit growing out of frustration, lack of knowledge,terminology and fear of inevitable failure. Which puts me in a bad place as far as I'm concerned. But instead I got high quality, clean, earth friendly medicine for myself. It just seems like y'all wanna do shit the hard way and for what? More weight and less quality. (oops, here it comes! Let me just say it befor you do, "dude, theres no proof" or this one...."dude, there IS proof hydros as good/better then organics....blah blah blah.". You know what your trading your quality for weight and you have zero respect for the earth and in turn life in general and it's selfish and greedy and for that.... I'm out boys. Give me a good reason to switch that will benefit someone or something other then me. I'm all ears.... and some mouth.

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Hey Johnny usually don't say much but what the hell , your post is pretty much all mouth and no knowledge or experience of what your talking about , your post is blah blah about something you don't know. As you know you can grow different ways in soil , methods etc. well the same goes for hydro, from reading this whole forum I'd say 90% or more of the people on here don't have clue what really hydro is all about, if your doing it right there is no way in hell you go to any hydro store to buy any of that shit and talk to the guys that don't have a clue. really hydro is way easier then soil . cleaner and is as cheap as soil , and quality is as good or better then any soil . so what I'd say is before you shoot your face off about something your clearly don't know and understand educate yourself first.

It's a gray area because there's overlap.
Technically soil-less is hydro, which includes coco.
I've also grown "semi-organic" and had surprisingly good results. Started in organic soil, and rather than top dress & supplement with nutrient teas, I slowly transitioned to synthetic nutes. Pretty sure the plants got bigger than they would have if I had stayed organic because pot size would have become a limiting factor.
For me, the only way to really master something is experiment & observe.

No rant. Hydro works, organics and no till work also. If anyone is growing for themselves the proper method is whatever makes them happy. I always am nearly all organic and I enjoy the hell out of it. Others seem to have great results from hydro and seemingly enjoy it also. No need to make a religion out of growing herb.

Grow and forage every input everything you can!