Organic vs synthetic

I will also add that I prefer organic for both taste and terps as well. Potency might realistically be stronger with synthetics since you can push the plant harder? Not scientific answer but a valid guess.
I honestly don’t even care about potency. Most cannabis today is too strong, IMHO. So many people seem to only care about THC%, lately, and it’s becoming common for dispensaries to pay testing labs to falsify their % because of that. I watched a video about this the other day and a lab tech was saying he gets calls from dispensaries who are “shopping” labs so they can find ones that will put bogus percentages on flower lab results.
 
Products like alfalfa pellets, diatamaceous earth, malt barley, dandelion (free), chicken poop fert, egg shells, banana peels, Epsom salt, molasses, wheat bran, rice hulls, on and on. Much of this stuff is right under our noses and comes in bulk as natural sources.

Word that stuff is all good stuff. I thought you were advocating for dry non organic chemical fertilizers sorry about that!
 
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Your choosing the wrong dry fert's. You can buy it in bulk in ag feed stores, craft brewing stores, turf care suppliers, even go to the community gardens they have a surplus of compost. I'm talking like $15 to $40 for a 40 to 50 lb sack.

yeah my grow is indoors and im using the down to earth dry amendment ferts for now which are pretty pricey. all I got left right now is their 4-4-4 mix and my autos are starting to flower.

since I had no flower ferts left and we are on lockdown I picked up some miracle grow organic 7-6-9 because those were the only bloom P-K valued ferts I could find.

I’m actually gonna run an experiment with this stuff...i know it’s high in nitrogen but in the specs list it says most of the nitrogen isn’t water Soluble. So I’m gonna separate my plants into sections to experiment

Half my plants I’m gonna feed a tea that consists of the miracle grow bubbled with EWC and molasses for 24-48 hrs....

the other half I’m just gonna start by feeding 1TBPS of the granular pieces directly in the soil. Then we will see which half does better and if this stuff works well or not. If it works well then hey I’ll be cheap and stick with it until I run out. I know a lot of you don’t support MG but it’s all I had around that will support flower cycle. The MG also says reapply every 4-6 weeks which is great because it follows my current amendment schedule of every 4 weeks. I think the tea will work but for some weird reason I just have a feeling like adding the pellets directly will give me crazy good results.

getting more comfortable with organic gardening is great. And also helpful if you want to start a real garden in your yard.
getting more comfortable with organic gardening is great. And also helpful if you want to start a real garden in your yard.
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LOL! Like I said, I could be imagining things. The main reason I decided to try organic was because I have a septic system, and my house is surrounded by protected wetlands, so I'd rather not dump a ton of salt based nutrients into the ground. It was also surprisingly cheaper for me to go organic. The guy who convinced me to switch over told me not to expect bigger yeilds, but said I would probably notice a difference in the smell and taste. He told me to think of organic growing to be more of the "craft beer" side of cannabis growing.

I've seen this debate go back and forth here many times and on every other forum I've been on the last 11 years.

I've also read enough actual science about this to know that if it's meds you want then hydro or organic will do the same as far as quality there.

Organics will give you more nuances for that 'wine snob' appeal but if its lots more meds a lot faster you want then hydro is the path to that. Unless you are one of the few primo organic growers that can grow like a wizard. I'm not that guy.

I'm talking about indoor here. Not the monster trees you can get living in places like Califoria etc.

I'm done with debating topics like this, lights, nutes etc. Been there, done that, bought the T-shirt! ;)

Each to their own and debating shit like this is never ending if you let it be.

Good luck and good growing!

:peace:
 
What u guys think?

It's Miracle Grow, Monsanto, Hawthorne and Bayer all rolled up into one. Only has a few of the needed micro nutes but should work ok in the garden where those missing nutrients can likely be found.

I don't have much but I do have some principles and just won't support scumbag companies. GH is part of the same family too. I don't shop Walmart either.

That's what this guy thinks anyways.

:peace:
 
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It's Miracle Grow, Monsanto, Hawthorne and Bayer all rolled up into one. Only has a few of the needed micro nutes but should work ok in the garden where those missing nutrients can likely be found.

I don't have much but I do have some principles and just won't support scumbag companies. GH is part of the same family too. I don't shop Walmart either.

That's what this guy thinks anyways.

:peace:
I mean yes I get it. My city is on lockdown and I didn’t have access to anything else that fit the needs and I’m not just gonna let my plants die so there’s that...
 
LOL! Like I said, I could be imagining things. The main reason I decided to try organic was because I have a septic system, and my house is surrounded by protected wetlands, so I'd rather not dump a ton of salt based nutrients into the ground. It was also surprisingly cheaper for me to go organic. The guy who convinced me to switch over told me not to expect bigger yeilds, but said I would probably notice a difference in the smell and taste. He told me to think of organic growing to be more of the "craft beer" side of cannabis growing.

The craft beer remark is dead on. I call it wine snob syndrome and have no use for snobs of any kind.

I too am on a septic system and on an acreage. Believe you me you don't want lots of nutes in the tank but the bacteria, yeasts and fungi in the tank would love some. As to the wetlands they would eat it up and beg for more! Spread it around your garden like I do or pour it on your compost pile for extra goodness.

I do my whole DWC grows without ever changing nutes sometimes so very little to dispose of. One change after the stretch to switch to Lucas Formula style feeding but that's the most I ever bother with.

Weekly changes especially early on are for suckers. Use RO and monitor ppm then feed according to the stage of growth to give tehm what they want at the time they need it. Not for rookies so much but I'm way past rookie stage. :)

:peace:
 
I've seen this debate go back and forth here many times and on every other forum I've been on the last 11 years.

I've also read enough actual science about this to know that if it's meds you want then hydro or organic will do the same as far as quality there.

Organics will give you more nuances for that 'wine snob' appeal but if its lots more meds a lot faster you want then hydro is the path to that. Unless you are one of the few primo organic growers that can grow like a wizard. I'm not that guy.

I'm talking about indoor here. Not the monster trees you can get living in places like Califoria etc.

I'm done with debating topics like this, lights, nutes etc. Been there, done that, bought the T-shirt! ;)

Each to their own and debating shit like this is never ending if you let it be.

Good luck and good growing!

:peace:
Yeah, I can’t stand when people argue about which is better. I don’t care what other people grow in. I’ve grown with salt based nutrients since I started, am trying organic with my next batch, and will decide which I like better (for myself) based on quality, cost, and simplicity.
 
The problem with that is that its not sustainable long term. All those chelated chemicals generate a lot of waste products when they are produced. We all need to be concerned about the entire ecosystem of agriculture at this point in time.

I guess all the dying bat populations caused by guano harvesters carrying white nose fungus from cave to cave is sustainable eh? Destroyed seabird habitat by the same greedy, uncaring bastards OK with you too?

They're not chelated 'chemicals' they are chelated mineral salts.
 
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I don’t see how people find organic harder. It’s literally set it and forget it
nah bro you gotta buy a 5 part, 5 bottle nutrient line! its the bestest! comes in a cool box and everything

lol

but seriously, my guess is that most people dont wanna bother with things like amending and cooking soils, mixing teas/slurries, topressing, etc....i personally will never go back to synths but ive seen folks like renfro pull massive harvests of fire like that so i cant knock it.
 
nah bro you gotta buy a 5 part, 5 bottle nutrient line! its the bestest! comes in a cool box and everything

lol

but seriously, my guess is that most people dont wanna bother with things like amending and cooking soils, mixing teas/slurries, topressing, etc....i personally will never go back to synths but ive seen folks like renfro pull massive harvests of fire like that so i cant knock it.
You can grow great weed with a 1 part nutrient line like maxibloom or floranova bloom. My tap water is good and I don't bother phing anymore. Promix, tap water and maxibloom mixed in a res once a week, couldn't be simpler.
 
WOW. I am not going to take it personally, I know we are all under a lot of stress. Sorry that I mistakenly typed 'chemical' instead of 'salts'. The rest of my post stands. Hope we can have an intelligent conversation about this going forward.

Actually I have just recently (this past fall) become well aware of the ecological impact of bat guano, as well as seabird guano removals. I have friends in Jamaica who recently had a local cave completely stripped with heavy machinery, and now there is no guano for locals to use. Not to mention there is concern about guano in agriculture being a vector for Coronavirus. This study was from 2017! > https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6521082. I have also realized that peat is being removed at unsustainable rate, and we should look for alternatives. Manure based composts also support the animal agriculture industry, which like it or not is most likely the source of the reason the entire world is currently under lockdown. Many vegetarians and vegans would also be upset to know that their vegetables were grown in soil that used bloodmeal and bonemeal, most likely from pigs. All that said, I will still argue that true biodynamic organics that are sustainably harvested are better for the environment than traditional agro fertilizers and the ecological damage they are known to cause.

100% honesty I am still using products containing guanos, manure, and peat (FFOF soil / Bus Blend / Roots Organics liquid nutes) in my current grow but only because of the fact that I had purchased a bunch last year, and don't want to waste them. I have one or two more cycles left and then I intend to never buy them again, and have started recycling all of the old soil into flower beds out front.

I just spent $200 on a bunch of ingredients to build my own veganic supersoil, and trying to be as mindful of the all of the above as I can. Peat, Coco, DTE Vegan mix, BAS pinto bean compost, organic EWC, myco and Recharge. I am using some peat for now since i still have a whole bale, but plan to phase it out once it is finished. Having to ship the BAS from Colorado doesn't seem too environmentally friendly so I spent last weekend emailing a bunch of organic bean farms in Socal trying to find a source closer.

I have also tried to build the most efficient lights that I could, and use as little electricity as possible in my entire grow.

I have become very passionate about making sure that my grow is not causing ecological damage. That is one of the first negative things mentioned nowadays about cannabis farming now that they can't make up lies about it damaging health and making you crazy. I read that specifically was mentioned as a reason for keeping the personal grow plant limit to 6 plants in California (which is dumb imho since plant/canopy size is relative to veg time and I could do a 64 plant sog in same space someone else grows 4 monsters).

The bigger reason is that not only am I growing for my own personal needs, but I also have a 15 y/o son who suffer's from Crohn's Disease. Herb is the difference between him living in excruciating pain at times, or being able to cope and make it through a day. He has been in and out of the hospital for 6 years and has had major surgery. Unfortunately he also has to be on immunosuppressive drugs that leave him with a weakened immune system. Since I grow in our house, part of what set me down this current path is that I realized that guano, as well as blood meal and bonemeal are all pathogen vectors, and I want to be sure that I am not going to make him sick while trying to grow medicine to make him feel better. As well, I want to teach him basic growing principles that are sustainable and something that he can do on his own even if I am not around one day.
I hope that you can understand what is driving my decision making, and respect it for what it is. Blessings.
I think it's unsustainable to not use manure, bone meal and blood meal. Americans love meat, there will always be byproducts from the meat industry. It's good that we are using everything we can from the animals we slaughter.
 
nah bro you gotta buy a 5 part, 5 bottle nutrient line! its the bestest! comes in a cool box and everything

lol

but seriously, my guess is that most people dont wanna bother with things like amending and cooking soils, mixing teas/slurries, topressing, etc....i personally will never go back to synths but ive seen folks like renfro pull massive harvests of fire like that so i cant knock it.

amending really isn’t all that difficult and making teas are optional lol. I used to use synthetic but honestly organic is easier than mixing up solutions every other watering. I just simply water with PHed tap water and amend/top dress once a month.
 
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