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DIY-HP-LED

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Herd immunity can't work with covid, it can take years for this pandemic to work it's way through the population and it is endemic now. Vaccines will most likely be rolled into future annual flu shots. Even though antibodies wane with time the immune system has nonetheless been "trained" to respond to this pathogen and the second round might not be as bad as the first or last as long, but don't count on it.
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Studies show long-term COVID-19 immune response

The durability of the immune response to SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19 is critical for understanding community outbreaks and serologic testing data, and to predict the longevity of vaccine protection. Two new studies demonstrate how severity of disease is predictive of longer-lasting antibody production and detail how immunity wanes over time but may exist for up to 7 months.

Severe disease and longer-lasting immune response
A UK study in Nature Microbiology today examined 65 individuals with polymerase chain reaction (PCR)-confirmed SARS-CoV-2 infection and 31 seropositive healthcare workers (HCWs).

The study authors sampled patients—with symptoms ranging from asymptomatic to critical—for antibody responses in serum collected up to 94 days after symptom onset using enzyme-linked immunoassay.

More than 95% of patients showed seroconversion—the presence of detectable SARS-CoV-2 antibodies—and neutralizing antibodies in samples 8 days after symptom onset, but the magnitude of the neutralizing antibody response appears to depend on disease severity, with lower peak antibody levels in individuals exhibiting milder disease.

The researchers found that SARS-CoV-2 antibody response is typical of other acute viral infections, with an initial peak antibody response followed by declining levels. Immunoglobulin (Ig) A and IgM antibodies approached baseline levels in some patients by 60 days after symptom onset, with IgG remaining high in most patients up to 94 days after onset.

In some individuals with low initial levels of peak neutralizing antibodies (mean infectious dose [ID50], 100 to 300), antibodies were undetectable after 50 days, while some patients with high initial levels (ID50, 1,000 to 3,500) maintained neutralizing antibodies for more than 60 days after initial symptoms.

"In some individuals, SARS-CoV-2 infection generates only a transient neutralizing antibody response that rapidly wanes," the authors suggest. In contrast, antibody levels in patients with high initial levels (ID50 > 4,000) declined but remained in the 1,000 to 3,500 range through the end of the study period.

Antibodies up to 7 months after infection
Similar findings emerged from a Portuguese study last week in the European Journal of Immunology that examined antibody levels in more than 500 hospitalized patients, healthcare workers, and volunteers who had recovered from COVID-19. The researchers found that 90% of SARS-CoV-2–positive individuals had detectable antibodies from 40 days up to 7 months post-infection, with higher levels in patients with more severe disease.
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DIY-HP-LED

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Covid can make ya stupid and many Trumpers don't have far to go, Donald was lucky with antibodies or he might be drooling, provided he survived. A future Alzheimer's pandemic?
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COVID's cognitive costs? Some patients' brains may age 10 years

LONDON (Reuters) - People recovering from COVID-19 may suffer significant brain function impacts, with the worst cases of the infection linked to mental decline equivalent to the brain ageing by 10 years, researchers warned on Tuesday.

A non-peer-reviewed study of more than 84,000 people, led by Adam Hampshire, a doctor at Imperial College London, found that in some severe cases, coronavirus infection is linked to substantial cognitive deficits for months.

“Our analyses ... align with the view that there are chronic cognitive consequences of having COVID-19,” the researchers wrote in a report of their findings. “People who had recovered, including those no longer reporting symptoms, exhibited significant cognitive deficits.”

Cognitive tests measure how well the brain performs tasks –- such as remembering words or joining dots on a puzzle. Such tests are widely used to assess brain performance in diseases like Alzheimer’s, and can also help doctors assess temporary brain impairments.

Hampshire’s team analysed results from 84,285 people who completed a study called the Great British Intelligence Test. The findings, which have yet to be reviewed by other experts, were published online on the MedRxiv website.

The cognitive deficits were “of substantial effect size”, particularly among people who had been hospitalised with COVID-19, the researchers said, with the worst cases showing impacts “equivalent to the average 10-year decline in global performance between the ages of 20 to 70”.

Scientists not directly involved with the study, however, said its results should be viewed with some caution.

“The cognitive function of the participants was not known pre-COVID, and the results also do not reflect long-term recovery - so any effects on cognition may be short term,” said Joanna Wardlaw, a professor of applied neuroimaging at Edinburgh University.

Derek Hill, a professor of medical imaging science at University College London, also noted that the study’s findings could not be entirely reliable, since they did not compare before and after scores, and involved a large number of people who self-reported having had COVID-19, who had no positive test.

“Overall (this is) an intriguing but inconclusive piece of research into the effect of COVID on the brain,” Hill said.

“As researchers seek to better understand the long term impact of COVID, it will be important to further investigate the extent to which cognition is impacted in the weeks and months after the infection, and whether permanent damage to brain function results in some people.”
 

schuylaar

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None of the other corona viruses have long lasting immunity in humans, why would this one be the exception? I think this has been known by the scientists and downplayed.


well in the body it presents like a cold or flu in which there is no immunity and why we get flu shots but we're always behind because this years flu shot has last years flu.
 

schuylaar

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Herd immunity can't work with covid, it can take years for this pandemic to work it's way through the population and it is endemic now. Vaccines will most likely be rolled into future annual flu shots. Even though antibodies wane with time the immune system has nonetheless been "trained" to respond to this pathogen and the second round might not be as bad as the first or last as long, but don't count on it.
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Studies show long-term COVID-19 immune response

The durability of the immune response to SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19 is critical for understanding community outbreaks and serologic testing data, and to predict the longevity of vaccine protection. Two new studies demonstrate how severity of disease is predictive of longer-lasting antibody production and detail how immunity wanes over time but may exist for up to 7 months.

Severe disease and longer-lasting immune response
A UK study in Nature Microbiology today examined 65 individuals with polymerase chain reaction (PCR)-confirmed SARS-CoV-2 infection and 31 seropositive healthcare workers (HCWs).

The study authors sampled patients—with symptoms ranging from asymptomatic to critical—for antibody responses in serum collected up to 94 days after symptom onset using enzyme-linked immunoassay.

More than 95% of patients showed seroconversion—the presence of detectable SARS-CoV-2 antibodies—and neutralizing antibodies in samples 8 days after symptom onset, but the magnitude of the neutralizing antibody response appears to depend on disease severity, with lower peak antibody levels in individuals exhibiting milder disease.

The researchers found that SARS-CoV-2 antibody response is typical of other acute viral infections, with an initial peak antibody response followed by declining levels. Immunoglobulin (Ig) A and IgM antibodies approached baseline levels in some patients by 60 days after symptom onset, with IgG remaining high in most patients up to 94 days after onset.

In some individuals with low initial levels of peak neutralizing antibodies (mean infectious dose [ID50], 100 to 300), antibodies were undetectable after 50 days, while some patients with high initial levels (ID50, 1,000 to 3,500) maintained neutralizing antibodies for more than 60 days after initial symptoms.

"In some individuals, SARS-CoV-2 infection generates only a transient neutralizing antibody response that rapidly wanes," the authors suggest. In contrast, antibody levels in patients with high initial levels (ID50 > 4,000) declined but remained in the 1,000 to 3,500 range through the end of the study period.

Antibodies up to 7 months after infection
Similar findings emerged from a Portuguese study last week in the European Journal of Immunology that examined antibody levels in more than 500 hospitalized patients, healthcare workers, and volunteers who had recovered from COVID-19. The researchers found that 90% of SARS-CoV-2–positive individuals had detectable antibodies from 40 days up to 7 months post-infection, with higher levels in patients with more severe disease.
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for all practical purposes it would be like saying herd immunity for a cold or flu..
 

DIY-HP-LED

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The USA has a population 8.7 times larger than Canada and if Trump had done as well on covid as Trudeau, America would have 87,000 deaths and not 226,000. Our response was about average for a western industrialized nation, nothing special and could be improved upon. Trump owns almost 140,000 deaths so far, if you discount the 87,000 who might have died with any competent administration running the response.
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Canada marks 10,000 deaths from COVID-19

Canada has surpassed 10,000 deaths from COVID-19 since the pandemic began. But behind that number there's much loss, some lessons learned and fears of worse to come.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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The Full Story of Trump and COVID-19 | NowThis

THE FULL STORY OF TRUMP & COVID: More than 7 million Americans have suffered from COVID-19, including Pres. Trump. Emmy winner Jeffrey Wright narrates the documentary detailing how four years of Trump's actions brought America to this moment (warning: distressing images).
 

VILEPLUME

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The USA has a population 8.7 times larger than Canada and if Trump had done as well on covid as Trudeau, America would have 87,000 deaths and not 226,000. Our response was about average for a western industrialized nation, nothing special and could be improved upon. Trump owns almost 140,000 deaths so far, if you discount the 87,000 who might have died with any competent administration running the response.
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Canada marks 10,000 deaths from COVID-19

Canada has surpassed 10,000 deaths from COVID-19 since the pandemic began. But behind that number there's much loss, some lessons learned and fears of worse to come.
Most of that is the French and their stupid anti-mask protests. They are like the MAGAs of Canada.
 

CloudHidden

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Covid can make ya stupid and many Trumpers don't have far to go, Donald was lucky with antibodies or he might be drooling, provided he survived. A future Alzheimer's pandemic?
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COVID's cognitive costs? Some patients' brains may age 10 years

LONDON (Reuters) - People recovering from COVID-19 may suffer significant brain function impacts, with the worst cases of the infection linked to mental decline equivalent to the brain ageing by 10 years, researchers warned on Tuesday.

A non-peer-reviewed study of more than 84,000 people, led by Adam Hampshire, a doctor at Imperial College London, found that in some severe cases, coronavirus infection is linked to substantial cognitive deficits for months.

“Our analyses ... align with the view that there are chronic cognitive consequences of having COVID-19,” the researchers wrote in a report of their findings. “People who had recovered, including those no longer reporting symptoms, exhibited significant cognitive deficits.”

Cognitive tests measure how well the brain performs tasks –- such as remembering words or joining dots on a puzzle. Such tests are widely used to assess brain performance in diseases like Alzheimer’s, and can also help doctors assess temporary brain impairments.

Hampshire’s team analysed results from 84,285 people who completed a study called the Great British Intelligence Test. The findings, which have yet to be reviewed by other experts, were published online on the MedRxiv website.

The cognitive deficits were “of substantial effect size”, particularly among people who had been hospitalised with COVID-19, the researchers said, with the worst cases showing impacts “equivalent to the average 10-year decline in global performance between the ages of 20 to 70”.

Scientists not directly involved with the study, however, said its results should be viewed with some caution.

“The cognitive function of the participants was not known pre-COVID, and the results also do not reflect long-term recovery - so any effects on cognition may be short term,” said Joanna Wardlaw, a professor of applied neuroimaging at Edinburgh University.

Derek Hill, a professor of medical imaging science at University College London, also noted that the study’s findings could not be entirely reliable, since they did not compare before and after scores, and involved a large number of people who self-reported having had COVID-19, who had no positive test.

“Overall (this is) an intriguing but inconclusive piece of research into the effect of COVID on the brain,” Hill said.

“As researchers seek to better understand the long term impact of COVID, it will be important to further investigate the extent to which cognition is impacted in the weeks and months after the infection, and whether permanent damage to brain function results in some people.”
Now wait. I don't think you're considering the possible upside. It trump's brain "ages" 10 years then he'll at least start acting like a 12 year old.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Most of that is the French and their stupid anti-mask protests. They are like the MAGAs of Canada.
Shortly after the second world war, while referring to De Gaul, Churchill remarked, " The cross of Loraine was the heaviest cross I had to bear"! Interestingly it's a double cross... :lol:

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VILEPLUME

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Frenchmen have always been notorious to deal with, though De Gaul was an extra special asshole. He pissed off FDR so much he wanted to do the fucker in, but Churchill saved his ass! We gotta live next door to these fuckers Franklin!
Next? I lived with them for 2 years. I also use to live in China and I felt more welcome by the people there than any day in Quebec.
 

VILEPLUME

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Frenchmen have always been notorious to deal with, though De Gaul was an extra special asshole. He pissed off FDR so much he wanted to do the fucker in, but Churchill saved his ass! We gotta live next door to these fuckers Franklin!
Even the Muslims hate the French.

 
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