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DIY-HP-LED

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Things looking well again in NL despite liftiing restrictions and the “test for access” fiasco. Apart from an increased vax willingness ( over 90% now) we’re almost back at where we were a month ago. R effectively dropped from record high 3 to 0.7. Number of areas with little to no infections is increasing again. Deaths haven’t increased for 6 weeks despite the rise in infections (most infections still under 40). Experts not sure on why infectiions drop so fast, they expected far worst a few weeks ago. No masks, barely any social distancing and after a few mini nations NL is the most densely populated area in Europe. For the past 3 weeks, despite many dancing youngsters getting infected, it has been as if there’s no dangerous virus floating around. The last bump in infections looks like the final spasms of a virus that no longer has enough potential vulnerable hosts to have an R rate above 1. If we do not get a new major wave within 8 weeks or a new worse variant we‘re looking at a fairly normal future. Vax willingness is already high enough, but with good results to back it up it will be a lot more normal to get yearly booster shots,

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Here's how we compare, but I imagine the delta wave is a few weeks ahead of us over there. This is the total population, including kids.

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West Virginia's governor was so disturbed by information on the Delta variant that he said he wanted to 'pee and throw up'

  • WV Gov. Jim Justice said the thought of the Delta variant spreading makes him want to "pee and throw up."
  • West Virginia in recent weeks has been seeing a spike in confirmed cases of the coronavirus.
  • Earlier this week, however, Justice declined to enforce a mask mandate in the state.
The rise of the Delta variant in West Virginia and the fear of inadequately containing it makes West Virginia's governor uneasy.

During a coronavirus briefing on Thursday, Gov. Jim Justice said the thought of the Delta variant rising in the state makes him want to "pee and throw up." according to West Virginia Metro News.

He said he felt disturbed when his top health officials briefed him on the virus in West Virginia. When he met with the state's COVID-19 coordinator and the head of state's governmental response team, he asked to be excused from their meeting to make a trip to the bathroom.

"Because the information is not pleasing that's coming to you," he said around one hour and 22 minutes into the livestreamed briefing. "It's tough stuff."

West Virginia in recent weeks has been seeing a spike in confirmed cases of the coronavirus, which officials attributed to the Delta variant.

New guidance from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention that urges vaccinated people to now wear face coverings indoors. Earlier this week, Justice refused to enforce a mask mandate in the state, but said he would remain "open-minded" about requirements amid ongoing conversations with experts.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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How common are double lung transplants for death bed Covid patients?
I've read news stories about it and about covid survivors needing it to live, just the younger ones would be candidates I imagine.

 

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How common are double lung transplants for death bed Covid patients?

Sunday, April 11, 2021
Approximately 40 lung transplants have been performed for COVID-19 patients globally, a procedure that is considered high-risk with life-long medications necessary to prevent organ rejection.

Double-Lung Transplants Rise After Covid ‘Honeycombs’ Organs - Bloomberg

Double-Lung Transplants Rise After Covid ‘Honeycombs’ Organs
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Jason Gale
June 17, 2021
  • Virus triggers rise in life-saving surgeries: Cleveland Clinic
  • Lungs can resemble honeycomb after virus damage, inflammation
 
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We had one woman in March who had a double lung transplant, but after she was first released from the hospital. She no longer had covid, but had to be hospitalized again cause her lungs were too damaged. Seems anything but common but that could be largely due to the low supply of donor lungs.
 

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We might all get infected by Delta, the vaccinated with better outcomes, the unvaccinated and the ones vaccinated with low immune system response rolling the die. It may be time to take off the masks, jump into the pool and everybody get wet. Sure, some may not make it to the surface but it might be like taking off a band aid. You want to do it slow or fast. Mind you, being vaccinated it is easier for me to say.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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We might all get infected by Delta, the vaccinated with better outcomes, the unvaccinated and the ones vaccinated with low immune system response rolling the die. It may be time to take off the masks, jump into the pool and everybody get wet. Sure, some may not make it to the surface but it might be like taking off a band aid. You want to do it slow or fast. Mind you, being vaccinated it is easier for me to say.
The point behind masks is to slow the contagion so hospitals don't get overwhelmed, for the vaxxed ironically it's become the "Wu Flu" with about the same mortality rate, for the vulnerable and vax resistant it has become a death lottery and inevitable. I believe 80% of the fully mRNA vaxxed don't get covid or get asymptomatic cases, around 20% get the "Wu Flu" and of those a miniscule number are hospitalized, much less die.

There are still plenty of targets of opportunity for delta, kids among them, we are not fully rolled out on our vaccinations in Canada and plenty of people need a second dose. Delta has also driven up the rate of first dose vaccinations in the past couple of weeks. We can get to an 85% vaccination rate among the eligible in Canada, even without employer mandates that will also be coming when the vaccines are out of EUA.

We just need a bit more time to pull it off and without masks and NPIs the infection rate will be exponential, as we have seen in the red states. Right now it's mostly about overwhelming the healthcare system and slowing down the spread of delta as best we can. Even kids could be given the vaccine by fall or year end, but at the rate delta is moving through society I figure most folks in the states will have been exposed in a couple of months, it will be much longer with masks and NPIs and give us time to vax to the max at least.
 

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We might all get infected by Delta, the vaccinated with better outcomes, the unvaccinated and the ones vaccinated with low immune system response rolling the die. It may be time to take off the masks, jump into the pool and everybody get wet. Sure, some may not make it to the surface but it might be like taking off a band aid. You want to do it slow or fast. Mind you, being vaccinated it is easier for me to say.
I hope to fuck this was you being sarcastic again.
 

hanimmal

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We might all get infected by Delta, the vaccinated with better outcomes, the unvaccinated and the ones vaccinated with low immune system response rolling the die. It may be time to take off the masks, jump into the pool and everybody get wet. Sure, some may not make it to the surface but it might be like taking off a band aid. You want to do it slow or fast. Mind you, being vaccinated it is easier for me to say.
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I am leaning towards sad truth though unfortunately.
 

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Alabama Is Now Fighting A Two-Front War, Says Doctor

Dr. Michael Saag of the University of Alabama joins Morning Joe to discuss infection and hospitalization rates along with vaccination rates in his state and the fight against misinformation about the coronavirus vaccine.
 

printer

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The point behind masks is to slow the contagion so hospitals don't get overwhelmed, for the vaxxed ironically it's become the "Wu Flu" with about the same mortality rate, for the vulnerable and vax resistant it has become a death lottery and inevitable. I believe 80% of the fully mRNA vaxxed don't get covid or get asymptomatic cases, around 20% get the "Wu Flu" and of those a miniscule number are hospitalized, much less die.

There are still plenty of targets of opportunity for delta, kids among them, we are not fully rolled out on our vaccinations in Canada and plenty of people need a second dose. Delta has also driven up the rate of first dose vaccinations in the past couple of weeks. We can get to an 85% vaccination rate among the eligible in Canada, even without employer mandates that will also be coming when the vaccines are out of EUA.

We just need a bit more time to pull it off and without masks and NPIs the infection rate will be exponential, as we have seen in the red states. Right now it's mostly about overwhelming the healthcare system and slowing down the spread of delta as best we can. Even kids could be given the vaccine by fall or year end, but at the rate delta is moving through society I figure most folks in the states will have been exposed in a couple of months, it will be much longer with masks and NPIs and give us time to vax to the max at least.
Yeah I know, I have spent a few years in the hospital. But the delayed procedures that the virus is causing might be as great a loss as if we get it over quick. I would just rather have everyone vaccinated. Not sure about kids under 12 though. Most have an immune system that could shrug it off.
I hope to fuck this was you being sarcastic again.
No, may be the sad truth. Ask me again in a year.
 

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Rise In Vaccinations In States Hardest Hit By Coronavirus

The states that have been hardest hit by the coronavirus are now seeing a dramatic rise in vaccinations. The Morning Joe panel has the latest reports.
 

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I am leaning towards sad truth though unfortunately.
I take issue with the idea of demasking. The one thing the scenario (and I am assuming that @printer is being serious) does not figure in is that wearing masks is still keeping us from cratering the health care system locally or regionally. We could look like India if the good citizens among us give in to mask fatigue. I worry about Epsilon changing the game for the worse. This bug is a fast-moving target, and every gunner knows you have to lead it.Even without Epsilon we'd certainly be adding to the creaking load our health pros are already enduring. Tjhat's not being very neighborly.

I wear mine even though I have both Pfizer. It protects against symptomatic illness, but it is almost useless at slowing the rapid transmission. I'll reevualuate after the booster comes through and has been largely deployed.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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I wear mine even though I have both Pfizer. It protects against symptomatic illness, but it is almost useless at slowing the rapid transmission. I'll reevualuate after the booster comes through and has been largely deployed.
I believe masks protect you and others, even surgical masks work fine at slowing this down, an N95 is very effective and has protected healthcare workers for months. Some vaxxed people get delta, but many do not and a vaccine plus a good mask should help reduce the spread until you can get vaxxed to the max.
 
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