Pandemic 2020

mooray said:

I'm all for personal accountability, but all these people are really guilty of is being afraid and dumb. Sad for them, but really fuck the predators that exploit it, whom are probably vaccinated.

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the truth is out there, practically everywhere you look...you have to make an effort at ignoring it....i have no sympathy for anyone...ANYONE who isn't vaccinated now, without a valid, real MEDICAL reason...if you choose to listen to joe rogan over Anthony Fauci...fuck you...if you chose to listen to steve bannon at all, fuck you...you say it's the predators that are exploiting the stupid, i say it's the stupid empowering the predators....
but the predators are killing off their base, which coincidentally is the same base as trump, and the republicunts, and the white hate nation...so soon enough, there won't be enough of them left to do any real damage, especially after most of their leadership is in maximum security, doing hard time till they're doddering old men

Roger A. Shrubber said:

the truth is out there, practically everywhere you look...you have to make an effort at ignoring it....i have no sympathy for anyone...ANYONE who isn't vaccinated now, without a valid, real MEDICAL reason...if you choose to listen to joe rogan over Anthony Fauci...fuck you...if you chose to listen to steve bannon at all, fuck you...you say it's the predators that are exploiting the stupid, i say it's the stupid empowering the predators....
but the predators are killing off their base, which coincidentally is the same base as trump, and the republicunts, and the white hate nation...so soon enough, there won't be enough of them left to do any real damage, especially after most of their leadership is in maximum security, doing hard time till they're doddering old men

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But think of how deep they're in at this point. Think about how much of yourself that you'd have to accept as wrong/stupid/whatever, in additional to the group betrayal aspect. That's some hardcore self-preserving psychology that a person would have to overcome all on their own. That just doesn't happen.

captainmorgan said:

I've never said it was the end of mankind, just that this is going to kill and maim a lot more people than they are saying but you keep clinging to your herd immunity that will never happen. And not all viruses get milder over time, covid-19 has gotten worse with every major variant until omicron.

Debunking the idea viruses always evolve to become less virulent

The concept can be traced back to a theory from the late 1800s.

abcnews.go.com

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Once it has attained a stable highly contagious variant, be that more or less virulent, it creates a bar that other variants must pass, it has to be more contagious to spread. Omicron 2 is the most contagious variant so far and nature selects these things based on contagiousness, not virulence, that is a crap shoot, but contagiousness is selected for by natural forces. So any covid variant worse than O2 will have to be more contagious and that is a high bar, since O2 is probably as, or more contagious than measles.

In any case there is not much we can do about it in the short term, other than mitigate the effects as much as we can with vaccines and eventually antiviral pills and new antibodies. Wearing a mask and not becoming a victim would be helpful too, since the hospitals are swamped. Opening up is contingent on the state of the hospitals and right now they are fucked with everything in short supply.

mooray said:

But think of how deep they're in at this point. Think about how much of yourself that you'd have to accept as wrong/stupid/whatever, in additional to the group betrayal aspect. That's some hardcore self-preserving psychology that a person would have to overcome all on their own. That just doesn't happen.

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yeah, and that's why i have so little sympathy for them, they're already a lost cause, and i write lost causes off and move on to causes that can still be realized

captainmorgan said:

Are the economies around the world nearing collapse? Are health care systems around the globe nearing collapse? Are governments worried about citizens turning on them?

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For some european countries clearly a combi of all of the above, but the last one actually seems to be a key factor. While it's just a small loud minority who's protesting, an increasing majority is constantly complaining about the measures. Since the alternatives are far left or far right, the politicians and parties currently in power are willing to go far to please the populace.

mooray said:

I'm all for personal accountability, but all these people are really guilty of is being afraid and dumb. Sad for them, but really fuck the predators that exploit it, whom are probably vaccinated.

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I feel sorry for the older folks especially. My aunt is in her late 80's and when she asked her doctor, he would only tell her it was up to her. He couldn't recommend or not recommend the shot. So if she dies from this, the doctor is partly to blame in my opinion.

DIY-HP-LED said:

NYC sees rapid decline in Covid-19 cases. Here are the latest figures.

The city's positivity rate Saturday was 4.83 percent, the lowest of any region in the state.

www.politico.com

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But BA2 was only detected there a few days ago, the merry-go-round only stops to let more passengers on.

DIY-HP-LED said:

NYC sees rapid decline in Covid-19 cases. Here are the latest figures.

The city's positivity rate Saturday was 4.83 percent, the lowest of any region in the state.

www.politico.com

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4.8%? Used to be around 12% most waves in NL, now it it's over 50% in NL. 61% last saturday. That includes many who test routinely even when they have no symptoms.

From that article: "You’ll hear a lot about living with Covid in the weeks ahead. But living with Covid cannot mean ignoring that too many continue to die from this virus,”

But then how many is too many. In NL with current daily deaths (less than 5) it'll be less than the flu. Similar vax rate as NYC. If we can get a similar rapid decline too...

Not looking anything like that right now though, we got a new record, over 112K positives on a single day, weekly average 68K. Record was 12K in pre-omicron waves. Hospitalizations still low, though as expected slightly increasing. ICU admissions still very low but no longer declining either. 200 people in ICU, compared to 1400 max during first wave.

Sativied said:

4.8%? Used to be around 12% most waves in NL, now it it's over 50% in NL. 61% last saturday. That includes many who test routinely even when they have no symptoms.

From that article: "You’ll hear a lot about living with Covid in the weeks ahead. But living with Covid cannot mean ignoring that too many continue to die from this virus,”

But then how many is too many. In NL with current daily deaths (less than 5) it'll be less than the flu. Similar vax rate as NYC. If we can get a similar rapid decline too...

Not looking anything like that right now though, we got a new record, over 112K positives on a single day, weekly average 68K. Record was 12K in pre-omicron waves. Hospitalizations still low, though as expected slightly increasing. ICU admissions still very low but no longer declining either. 200 people in ICU, compared to 1400 max during first wave.

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I don't expect a steady linear decline, but oscillations trending lower over time. As this continues and becomes endemic, hospitalizations and deaths will be the metric used by public health officials and the media. Lot's of things will change the game moving forward, including improved and oral vaccines, more antiviral pharmaceuticals and better broad spectrum antibodies. Many heath experts and officials are hoping to ride out of the pandemic on omicron and vaxxed immunity, it's not like we have much of a choice.

Omicron outcompetes omicron, official data

Risk assessment for SARS-CoV-2 variant: VUI-22JAN-01 (BA.2)

Don't let all the dead bodies fool you,it's mild.

Roger A. Shrubber said:

the truth is out there, practically everywhere you look...you have to make an effort at ignoring it....i have no sympathy for anyone...ANYONE who isn't vaccinated now, without a valid, real MEDICAL reason...if you choose to listen to joe rogan over Anthony Fauci...fuck you...if you chose to listen to steve bannon at all, fuck you...you say it's the predators that are exploiting the stupid, i say it's the stupid empowering the predators....
but the predators are killing off their base, which coincidentally is the same base as trump, and the republicunts, and the white hate nation...so soon enough, there won't be enough of them left to do any real damage, especially after most of their leadership is in maximum security, doing hard time till they're doddering old men

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Trump has put pardons for all 1/6 Insurrectionists on the table.

a friend just came back from Texas, she's moving back for the grandkids and has had Covid at least 2x; the cough? you don't want to know about it. she told me that no one is wearing a mask; i was watching some SoFla news see what's happening on my old turf. No ones wearing masks there either.

i'm never giving up my mask even after they say it's done..once you hear that cough? it's like jumping into a cold pond

bullet points:

- Global level rates of infections topping 120 million per day
- The transmissibility of the omicron variant is so high that rates of infection are not affected by many factors that had been important during earlier surges. Typical time between first detection of the variant in a country or locale and peak infection rates is about 22 days. Doesn't matter where, South Africa, US, India, UK.
- Worldwide the surge will peak and decline by Feb or March.
- Two outlier nations that have zero Covid policies are failing. New Zealand has already seen community cases of omicron infection and the Governor has said they will not lock down. A surge in Covid cases is just a week or two away.. China's lockdown policy, they believe, will fail. They expect peak in case rate to occur by late Feb to mid-March.
- They are expecting a next variant to emerge that will cause a new surge in infection. No idea whether it will cause more sickness or not. Either are possible.
- Anti-viral drugs have not been incorporated into their modeling. He expects they will make a difference in a good way but it's not clear in this article what that means.

Fogdog said:

IHME COVID-19 insights blog | Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation

IHME director and lead modeler Dr. Christopher J.L. Murray shares insights from our latest COVID-19 model run.

www.healthdata.org

bullet points:

- Global level rates of infections topping 120 million per day
- The transmissibility of the omicron variant is so high that rates of infection are not affected by many factors that had been important during earlier surges. Typical time between first detection of the variant in a country or locale and peak infection rates is about 22 days. Doesn't matter where, South Africa, US, India, UK.
- Worldwide the surge will peak and decline by Feb or March.
- Two outlier nations that have zero Covid policies are failing. New Zealand has already seen community cases of omicron infection and the Governor has said they will not lock down. A surge in Covid cases is just a week or two away.. China's lockdown policy, they believe, will fail. They expect peak in case rate to occur by late Feb to mid-March.
- They are expecting a next variant to emerge that will cause a new surge in infection. No idea whether it will cause more sickness or not. Either are possible.
- Anti-viral drugs have not been incorporated into their modeling. He expects they will make a difference in a good way but it's not clear in this article what that means.

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perfect! i had it at mid-march.

but then the babies are crying..what do they fucking not understand?


we have 1M infections daily; we're going to get right on this^^^^and 'move away from the pandemic'.



perhaps if your fat, blubbery unvaxxed asses would stop clogging our hospitals?

captainmorgan said:

Don't let all the dead bodies fool you,it's mild.


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'we need to move away from the pandemic'.

schuylaar said:

perfect! i had it at mid-march.

but then the babies are crying..what do they fucking not understand?

Governors say they told Biden US needs to 'move away from the pandemic' at White House meeting

A bipartisan group of governors told President Joe Biden that the country needs to "move away from the pandemic," Arkansas Gov. Asa Hutchinson said at the White House Monday.

www.cnn.com

we have 1M infections daily; we're going to get right on this^^^^

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What Dr. Murray said about this: As we look beyond the current Omicron wave, COVID will become a recurrent disease that can be managed by health systems, like other infectious diseases such as flu.

Regarding my actions when flu season approaches, I get the annual flu shot and forget about it unless I or somebody near me get sick. I don't wear a mask, I don't avoid crowds, I work out at health club, I don't ask people to get tested before we get together for dinner, I go out to restaurants every now and then. In other words, I don't pay much attention to the flu season other than get vaccinated.

I think Dr Murray is saying we are heading toward that paradigm some time this spring.

DIY-HP-LED said:

Once it has attained a stable highly contagious variant, be that more or less virulent, it creates a bar that other variants must pass, it has to be more contagious to spread. Omicron 2 is the most contagious variant so far and nature selects these things based on contagiousness, not virulence, that is a crap shoot, but contagiousness is selected for by natural forces. So any covid variant worse than O2 will have to be more contagious and that is a high bar, since O2 is probably as, or more contagious than measles.

In any case there is not much we can do about it in the short term, other than mitigate the effects as much as we can with vaccines and eventually antiviral pills and new antibodies. Wearing a mask and not becoming a victim would be helpful too, since the hospitals are swamped. Opening up is contingent on the state of the hospitals and right now they are fucked with everything in short supply.

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there's a second version of Omicron?