Pandemic 2020

Fogdog said:

Morgan,

What does that have to do with you?

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This thing will not end unless EVERYONE works together, you don't actually believe these deplorables will see the light and start helping. So if mass suicide by morons helps bring this to a end, I'm all for it. We've squandered the first two years, lets hope it can still be turned around. I'm old and in questionable heath so I've already come to terms with dying and am ready, but I won't be pushed into my grave by a moron.

captainmorgan said:

This thing will not end unless EVERYONE works together, you don't actually believe these deplorables will see the light and start helping. So if mass suicide by morons helps bring this to a end, I'm all for it. We've squandered the first two years, lets hope it can still be turned around. I'm old and in questionable heath so I've already come to terms with dying and am ready, but I won't be pushed into my grave by a moron.

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If we were 100% vaccinated, we'd still be getting infected with Omicron 1 & 2. We'd have far fewer cases of Covid but people will still be getting sick from the infection. Professionals in healthcare industry -- people trained and tested at wearing face masks -- almost all have been infected. Anybody working with the public, especially grocery stores, are either already infected or will be soon. In the past two weeks, 8 family members have come down with it. We went almost two years with nobody getting it and then this.

It's no longer a matter that a person did "something wrong" and got it. Everybody is going to eventually. I'm not saying we should just roll over and open our legs, but the paradigm shifted when Delta and then Omicron arrived. I don't know what the next variant will be like but willing to bet it's going to be as transmissible as Omicron or worse.

This doesn't even account for what's going on offshore. Vaccines are for wealthy nations. The poor ones are left to deal with it on their own and guess what? Omicron came from one of those regions. It came to the US and in less than a month, it kicked our collective asses.

I am not disagreeing with you regarding the risks. I'm just saying that the times have changed and the tune you are singing is out of touch. Take care. Do what you need to do. I think you've said before that you have underlying health issues that may make you more vulnerable. So, please, do what you need to do. This thing is endemic or will be soon. Can't blame others for that. It's life.

We'll see who's out of touch, the scientists I've been following are saying this "let it rip" strategy is political and is a disaster.

captainmorgan said:

We'll see who's out of touch, the scientists I've been following are saying this "let it rip" strategy is political and is a disaster.

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Who knows what the future holds? But that's not the thread of our discussion. It's about hating on people suffering or dying from Covid. That tune is out of touch.

Fogdog said:

Who knows what the future holds? But that's not the thread of our discussion. It's about hating on people suffering or dying from Covid. That tune is out of touch.

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How would you feel if Donald Trump died of Covid?

Dr.Amber Trichome said:

How would you feel if Donald Trump died of Covid?

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good point.

I'll get off my high horse now.

Dr.Amber Trichome said:

How would you feel if Donald Trump died of Covid?

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I would not be happy. Him and Elvis will live on together. Forever.

So they know it damages the brain but a post-it note will fix it.

What I’ve seen is the some people that are antivax are not masking up and not social distancing. It is those people that deserve scorn and ridicule. If you decide not to vax then great, your choice, but still take all of the precautions needed to protect others. The spreading of bullshit lies and conspiracies about the covid is deplorable.

Finally a good use of Vax deniers; strip their organs. Win/Win....
Kidney successfully transplanted from donor who died of COVID-19 after scientists tested tissue for virus

Kidney successfully transplanted from donor who died of COVID-19 after scientists tested tissue for virus

It may still be possible to safely use organs from donors with COVID-19, according to a new report on the successful transplantation of a kidney into a new patient from a person who had died of COVID-19 complications.

www.ctvnews.ca

Someone I knew and a friend of mine died a few hours ago from Covid. I was under the lady's car taking out the starter in the garage and she came out and said "He's gone".

I'm still processing things.

Makes my petty issues meaningless.

I will say one thing. Any anti-vax, covid is fake, idiots better keep their crap to themselves if they come around me or there will be problems. I'm 100% done being nice with these morons.

xtsho said:

Someone I knew and a friend of mine died a few hours ago from Covid. I was under the lady's car taking out the starter in the garage and she came out and said "He's gone".

I'm still processing things.

Makes my petty issues meaningless.

I will say one thing. Any anti-vax, covid is fake, idiots better keep their crap to themselves if they come around me or there will be problems. I'm 100% done being nice with these morons.

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I am sorry to read that your friend died, was he vaccinated?

Sister's father in law got really bad last night, and they had him taken to the hospital. At first he refused to call for help, but when Sister's old man got down there and saw how bad he was, he over ruled his dad's objections. They are talking about bringing Hospice in if he doesn't bounce back pretty quick.

My aunt is having a hard time, but still at home.

zeddd said:

I am sorry to read that your friend died, was he vaccinated?

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Not fully.

Fogdog said:

good point.

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You're a gentleman. Reductio ad absurdum fallacies are never good points though.

Sativied said:

You're a gentleman. Reductio ad absurdum fallacies are never good points though.

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Absurd is a good description of the politics going on in the US right now. Vaccination status has become a tribal badge. I would feel relief if Trump hacked up some blood clots and died from Covid. It's not rational. Trumps fascist faction threatens lives in many ways. The fight or flight response toward threats is embedded in this discussion.

It might be different in Europe. I'm guessing

Fogdog said:

Why I'm not yet willing to go back to normal life:

The one shoe that I'm waiting to see drop is better information regarding longer term effects that take place after infection. Seems that it will be a few months before that becomes available. I've seen conflicting information regarding the protective value of vaccines from sequelae or long covid.

I'm curious if you have better information on the subject than I do. I'd very much like to go back to normal but not without better intelligence on the longer term risks.

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wait and see approach on something we've got no experience with is prudent.

it was announced yesterday that when Denver's Pandemic rules expire the Governor is not renewing. the NGA was at the WH wants us 'to move away from the Pandemic'..so when will the fatties get their shots?


and STOP spreading the plague. Omicron is not the same..who ever heard of having to get a booster in six months after having two doses..which is why the fatties are putting us at risk.

this bullshit about 'bleedover' is just that.

England estimates that 1.68% of the entire population has long covid, this number will continue to rise.

Fogdog said:

Absurd is a good description of the politics going on in the US right now. Vaccination status has become a tribal badge. I would feel relief if Trump hacked up some blood clots and died from Covid. It's not rational. Trumps fascist faction threatens lives in many ways. The fight or flight response toward threats is embedded in this discussion.

It might be different in Europe. I'm guessing

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The main difference, in this part of europe anyway, is the ratio. Between anti-vax and sane people. Between far right and the rest. There's the same overlap though. Far right politicians claiming absurd nonsense about vaccinations.

He got 6 months in prison. I'm guessing that would be different in the US.

Far right fascist threatening dems with "tribunals".

Although the smoking gun is missing, they clearly have ties with Russia

They (the far right party) proclaimed today they are pro-life. Irrational far right populism became a US export product. Because Spain, Poland, Ireland, Morocco and other countries didn't/don't allow abortions, we sent abortion ships and parked them at their coasts so women there could be helped. That's how by far most here feel about abortion rights. That's how absurd far right is being right now. They basically parrot nonsense from conservative americans on social media. It's laughable. We have a low tolerance for irrational bs in NL, especially the part actually called Holland, but most countries in Europe have similar Trump wannabees feeding the same flawed human beings.

Your comments about a different tune has been something of public debate here recently. Whether the sane portion of society is keeping a door open for the nutters to return to earth. Instead of pushing them further away and declaring them subhuman. The ratio difference makes that an entirely different discussion here. I have no idea how I'd handle a situation where seemingly the other half are batshit crazy anti-vax fascists, but I'm sure it would only motivate me more to demand from others they stay rational and reasonable. It's really the only thing that can get us through this era of information, need to vax people against bs and give them a daily booster shot.

The recuctio ad absurdum was Dr's implication you cannot suggest people should not hate on people suffering or dying from covid and still wish the most horrible covid experience on Trump. That's like saying you can't hate on a lack of gun control cause a gun can kill hitler.