perennial cannabis

I know people breed for taste flavor, height, weight. I want to breed for a cold hardy perennial plant. Has anyone tried this? I'm going to unbury my outdoor girls after harvest and dig up the crown of the plant and a smaller cut of her root mass, bag all of it and place it in the fridge, to keep it fresh from drying out. I will try to reveg next spring or maybe even indoors a couple weeks later. Im am doing this with a handful of strains. IF ANY of the plant crowns stay green enough in the fridge I might have a shot. Then of course the breeding begins. Am I crazy or has this been done? the obvious goal it to eventually get a plant that can winter over with some mulch on the crown outdoors and then wakes it self up in the spring with out help from me, aside from some possible mild root trimming. It would be awesome to plant them and then never plant again. It also might take me 15 years to accomplish lol. but shit as long as im not dead ill have time. peace guys, im off to work.

Definately interesting. Remember that most plants that are thought of as 'annual' are only thought of as such because that's the easiest way to grow it given the climate in a particular place.
Not sure about the fridge idea though. Maybe better keeping them indoors in as high a temp as possible.
The main problem I see is that when it comes to harvest, it's the nature of cannabis that the leaves die from the bottom upwards so you may not end up with enough leaves to start the new seasons growth. Also, I would imagine that each season would end up with a larger, leggier plant.
Good luck though.

The fridge locks the plant up into a dormancy state, as it does with most rhizomes and even the obvious fruits and veggies we eat everyday. However, I was more so mentioning the fridge as a way to see if the plant can tolerate a "winter" under a more controlled circumstance. Leaving it in the heat might cause rot, which is something I would like to avoid. As for leggy-ness its basically a reveg and they dont really get leggy. I was going to see if I could do this WITHOUT leaves on it, and have the rootstock wake up and push out new growth, making it a perennial. Im wondering which dominant, sativa or indica , would be a better candidate. Although not every idea is a good one..Some people have the room from a nice perennial addition to their garden

Many scientists believe that cannabis was a perennial and just recently in the past 10K-15K years it became an annual. Interesting experiment!

wristychronicles said:

The fridge locks the plant up into a dormancy state, as it does with most rhizomes and even the obvious fruits and veggies we eat everyday. However, I was more so mentioning the fridge as a way to see if the plant can tolerate a "winter" under a more controlled circumstance. Leaving it in the heat might cause rot, which is something I would like to avoid. As for leggy-ness its basically a reveg and they dont really get leggy. I was going to see if I could do this WITHOUT leaves on it, and have the rootstock wake up and push out new growth, making it a perennial. Im wondering which dominant, sativa or indica , would be a better candidate. Although not every idea is a good one..Some people have the room from a nice perennial addition to their garden

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The point is, as far as I'm aware, Cannabis isn't a Rhizomatous plant. It has normal roots and reproduces by seed. You need to be 're-vegging' it, not hoping it will send out an entire new plant from a root-stock. If it did, we would all be doing it. You would be better off treating it as stoloniferous and taking air-layers. Then again, better still to take cuttings whilst in veg...Hang on, we do!
Put simply, it's just not in the plants genetic make-up to reproduce that way. Interesting idea though. I want to grow a bonsai weed plant one day (in perpetual veg) but have yet to find a variety with small enough leaves.

I'm only talking about line breeding for essentially 2 things, cold hardiness, and characteristics that encourage a fast and healthy reveg. Its not in the plants genetic makeup currently, that's not to say it has to stay that way. I mean shit, variegated sativa would be cool would it not? White or gold leaf margins on the fan leaves, genetic mutation is what makes most things unique. Cues have you ever tried micro prop? Once you see 30 clones emerge from a 2 inch piece of foliage it really makes you marvel at what we have to power to accomplish. vape is ready, brb

No, never done micro-prop. Looks like hard work! Air-layered rubber plans and clematis, plus layered and cloned many plants (including trees!) but that's about all.
I suspect that the biggest problem you will have is that thc landrace varieties from the colder coutries tend to be low THC 'hemp'. I guess what you need to do is cross a hemp plant with a high thc plant from the equatorial regions and try and keep the high thc traits of one with the low temp traits of the other.

this would be a genetic coding change and would require gene transfer in a sterile environment, or..... is possible by micro grafting marijuana onto hops rootstock. good luck in a garden though.

great experiment !

I wish this post was a few years older so I could ask you for some updates. It's very interesting and may be just crazy enough to work. And if it does I want a clone!

Good luck!

hey pharma, im glad you're here, you my friend are a badass. I was reading some of your stuff earlier after I posted this, its refreshing and wicked cool. Im a super plant nerd with 7 acres of hops plants at my disposal, I grow them for distribution to micro brewers. I also grow pinot noir and some other really interesting plants...and Cues right on man, Ive taken cuttings from soo many plants to clone out as well as air layered kiwis and anything else that caught my eye that didn't take to rooting as well. Its obsessive once you learn to graft or learn the best plants to roots directly from cuttings. Willows are hands down the easiest clone, figs are pretty quick to clone aswell, Its all about trial and error, and learning from the inevitable mistakes. The more you know, the more ya grow

Cannabis hop would make a hellava ale..

It would just be cannabis, with hops added, and It does not taste good, but is potent.
they are not a hybrid mix of smokable hops., just a graft my friend.

wristychronicles said:

hey pharma, im glad you're here, you my friend are a badass. I was reading some of your stuff earlier after I posted this, its refreshing and wicked cool. Im a super plant nerd with 7 acres of hops plants at my disposal, I grow them for distribution to micro brewers. I also grow pinot noir and some other really interesting highlyplants...and Cues right on man, Ive taken cuttings from soo many plants to clone out as well as air layered kiwis and anything else that caught my eye that didn't take to rooting as well. Its obsessive once you learn to graft or learn the best plants to roots directly from cuttings. Willows are hands down the easiest clone, figs are pretty quick to clone aswell, Its all about trial and error, and learning from the inevitable mistakes. The more you know, the more ya grow

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highly addictive for sure.. I wanna visit the hops farm

cues said:

No, never done micro-prop. Looks like hard work! Air-layered rubber plans and clematis, plus layered and cloned many plants (including trees!) but that's about all.
I suspect that the biggest problem you will have is that thc landrace varieties from the colder coutries tend to be low THC 'hemp'. I guess what you need to do is cross a hemp plant with a high thc plant from the equatorial regions and try and keep the high thc traits of one with the low temp traits of the other.

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......with a Punnets Square, thousands of dollars of lab tests, and years of growing hundreds of species, hybrids. genetics make a perennial plant. mj is programmed to live, produce seeds die. the roots do not winter like a perennial, assuring the die off. Cold hardy marijuana already exists. long hairs have been bringing their plant indoors to re veg, for decades, not technically a perennial, but good nuff for hippies.

now, if you're talkin bout hops with thc..shooodywop bing bang....any of you tissue culture/micropropagate ? in MI ?

Nukebisket said:

Many scientists believe that cannabis was a perennial and just recently in the past 10K-15K years it became an annual. Interesting experiment!

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Hey, thats very interesting. Is there anywhere I can read about that? Like any articles or link? Thank you.

As someone already mentioned, cannabis is not a rhizomes plant it is a seed bearing annual. Perennials all reproduce via the root system, like alliums and bulbs, while annuals reproduce by seed (except trees bushes and a few other exceptions). I love the intent, but I'd focus solely on the cold hardy aspect with strains like NL and matanuska thunder. Cannabis can re veg and I have personally seen cannabis trees from warmer climes that are delicately harvested, although for most people this style is highly impractical. Auto flowers are what we use to handle the short growing seasons in the northwest

Interesting mentioning the hops but I thought this has already been well documented to have been tried and failed many many times.
Hackberry, however, has recently been discovered to be part of the Genus Cannabaceae and I don't know of anyone who has tried grafting to a Hackberry yet. However, if breeding through seeds were possible, I suspect that it would have already occurred in the wild if it was feasible.

cues said:

Interesting mentioning the hops but I thought this has already been well documented to have been tried and failed many many times.
Hackberry, however, has recently been discovered to be part of the Genus Cannabaceae and I don't know of anyone who has tried grafting to a Hackberry yet. However, if breeding through seeds were possible, I suspect that it would have already occurred in the wild if it was feasible.

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you're correct, and tried hard too, just like the 70's guys trying to use heat lamps and blacklights to grow, and failed. Today is a new day though. In vitro culture exactly like this is being done in citizen science labs(closets) all over the world. Only in the last 100 years did science move all the study out of your hands and into the profit machines.

These unions of different genus material are routinely paired, electrically, chemically, and mechanically. Chemical is the only affordable method to me, available, cheap and worked well when I practiced. The reason there is little mention of this is because everyone of these procedures hold patents, and are rented to flower producers, etc. patent infringement can be punished like treason today. Plus, dozens of patents for this exact subject have already been granted, and are jointly owned, by.......
The army has sprouts that bioluminesce in the presence of tnt contituents, I've worked with those sprouts, they are real. There are plants producing human replacement tissue, warfare toxins, many synthetic drugs, and more.

I have seen bioluminescing christmas trees, (soon to be released), (and a bioluminescing mj plant.) with plans of planting along roadsides instead of lights. this shit is real, don't be scared though, our Monsanto has it wrapped up, with the help and financing, of It's government.

Take a look at Morgellons, if you're curious of the impact of their research. They have successfully integrated plant material into the human genome, via GMO and the bacterium and antibiotics used in the pasture. and it is operating now, actually an epidemic.

dont kill the messenger, I dont want to argue, or debate, and google has all the answers, because this is all I know.