Plants are rootbound, need help with transplant. +rep for help

Uk.Cobra said:

O_O 15 fucking gallons of water......

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Yeah, when you flush you're supposed to use 3 gallons of water for every gallon of soil. That's what I've been told anyway by a lot of people.

And I'll tell ya right now, when you have to pH 15 gallons of water 1 gallon at a time, it really sucks. lol

DannyGreenEyes said:

Potassium is one of the major nutes which your plants need, and I think ammonium nitrate is Nitrogen, not sure though.

Mycorrhiza isn't a nute, check it out man, it's the shit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mycorrhiza

It's the same stuff that Fox Farm puts in their stuff (micro organisms), but MYKES is a higher concentrate made for transplanting trees. I wish I took pics of the roots of the clones, you'd freak.

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Thanks for the 411. I'm gonna try it!

guitarzan420 said:

Thanks for the 411. I'm gonna try it!

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Glad I could help, but call the nurseries quick, most close down for the season after X-Mas and it's 4 times more expensive at the grow stores. That qt of MYKES cost me around $13 at the nursery.

DannyGreenEyes said:

Glad I could help, but call the nurseries quick, most close down for the season after X-Mas and it's 4 times more expensive at the grow stores. That qt of MYKES cost me around $13 at the nursery.

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Can it be used as a cloning solution to get quicker roots there?

guitarzan420 said:

Can it be used as a cloning solution to get quicker roots there?

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Yeah, you can use it in soil to root clones for sure.

I recently bought a Rapid Rooter (tree bark plugs) and added some to the water in the tray, but it doesn't seem to work that way.

The next round of clones I'm gonna try to make the holes in the plugs a little bigger and add some right in the hole & see if that works.

Acording to wikipedia it helps the clippings route the energy from the leaves to the root zone quicker.

It also helps with the shock of transplanting.

And for developing roots, it makes them grow bigger faster, helps them colonize better (more roots in the same square inch), & it helps the roots absorb everything faster. So take it easy with the nutes, start slow just like when you started the plant on nutes the first time.

It also clogs the lines in Hydro systems, just found that out today.

DannyGreenEyes said:

Yeah, you can use it in soil to root clones for sure.

I recently bought a Rapid Rooter (tree bark plugs) and added some to the water in the tray, but it doesn't seem to work that way.

The next round of clones I'm gonna try to make the holes in the plugs a little bigger and add some right in the hole & see if that works.

Acording to wikipedia it helps the clippings route the energy from the leaves to the root zone quicker.

It also helps with the shock of transplanting.

And for developing roots, it makes them grow bigger faster, helps them colonize better (more roots in the same square inch), & it helps the roots absorb everything faster. So take it easy with the nutes, start slow just like when you started the plant on nutes the first time.

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Fo Sho!!! Gonna do that fo sho!!!

You could be right after seeing the pics. You are using 5 gallon pots, but looks like they only have about 4 gallons of soil in them. So it is up to you on this one I think. But remember root growth will slow considerably 3 weeks or so into flowering.

guitarzan420 said:

Thanks for the 411. I'm gonna try it!

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Check out Wally World or some of the home improvement stores for 'Organica Growth Stimulator' Its cheap and contains tons of good beneficials, and really cheap this time of year. And remember you can use all of them together. Can never have too many good micros!

cowboylogic said:

You could be right after seeing the pics. You are using 5 gallon pots, but looks like they only have about 4 gallons of soil in them. So it is up to you on this one I think. But remember root growth will slow considerably 3 weeks or so into flowering.

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Thanks, but I'm still 2 weeks away from starting flower so one way or another I'm gonna need a bigger planter.

Found some cheap 10 gallon containers at Lowes ($5.50 ea.) I just have to drill some holes in the bottoms. I think I'm gonna go with them.

That pot had a little less than the others. I think when I mixed it I put in 1 less scoop of Perlite. I kept getting interupted when I was mixing the pots.

Uk.Cobra said:

O_O 15 fucking gallons of water......

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yeah, thats the correct amount for her to use.

I dont think that is root bound at all.
Mycorrhiza is in Promix!! a soillles commercial mix.
I have had out door that veged for two months grow out of one on those.. It was 6 ft tall and i put it in the dirt 2 weeks after flowering... You think that is root bound? no way!
If it is just cut holes in the bottom and let the roots grow into a differnt bucket.

mr.smileyface said:

I dont think that is root bound at all.
Mycorrhiza is in Promix!! a soillles commercial mix.
I have had out door that veged for two months grow out of one on those.. It was 6 ft tall and i put it in the dirt 2 weeks after flowering... You think that is root bound? no way!
If it is just cut holes in the bottom and let the roots grow into a differnt bucket.

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Actually Micorrhiza is a micro organism, a type of root fungus. It helps your roots grow bigger, faster, and it helps them colonize better and absorb more of everything.

To illustrate, I transplanted the first two on 1-6 and the other five on 1-13 and I transferred them from 5gal to 10gal containers. I just took them out to treat them for mites and ripped the newspaper at one of the drain holes, and the roots are already there. Now that's fast!

As you can see in the pics, they weren't really root bound yet, but I wasn't going to wait till they were because I'm not advanced enough to cut the root ball yet. I still have a lot of research to do on it.

I'm sure they'll be root bound in the 10gal containers before I can harvest, but I'm out of room in the walk in closet so they're stuck in the 10gal containers. I'm hoping that after the roots run out of space the plants will redirect that energy to the part of the plant that's above ground, and I'm hoping not to see any bad side effects from being root bound. But only time will tell.

Also, the MYKEs may not have done it alone, I also have them in FF soil that has Mycorrhiza of it's own. I'm not sure if it was the MYKEs or a combination of the FF & the MYKEs. I'll be doing some experimenting on future grows to see. So stay tuned root fans.

My plants are between 21" & 28" even though I've had several problems that slowed the folliage growth, and they've already sucked all the nutes out of the FFHF that I used to transplant into the bigger pots. I just lost a lot of leaves last night to nute deficiencies and I fed them today. There doesn't seem to be anyone I can turn to for advice, so I'm learning how to take care of plants with monster roots. If you try this all I can say is keep an eye on them and feed them when they ask for food. And expect them to ask for a lot of food. lol

By the way, fish emulsion fert is naaaaaaaaaaasty stuff.