please help first grow plants dieing fast!!!

dc4

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my plant is 20 inches long but only 12'' vertical because of my experimental growing techniques , i never heard of or read about , their all mine .
If you haven't heard about them , it just means you aren't informed. Lst-topping-mainlining-supercropping-fimming-scrogging. It's all the techniques that have been perfected troughout the years, so tell me, what new experimental techniques have you found out?
 

jpeg666

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i created the environment that cause my pheno , the stresses i initiated and those that were beyond my control combined into , a plant that givin much different variables would thrive in quite a few of them once climatized . my indoor/outdoor/hybrid growing philosophy i was theorizing about . my plant fit perfectly into that , phenotype = genotype x's envirornment . yes i had nothing to do with development of this type/strain , and yes i got lucky to get a seed that fits into this growing philosophy . my plant stands 12'' tall (with debate) and was looking to yeild in the 3-6 oz range from what i was viewing . without access to information/theweb . i made some minor mistakes arguably . i removed some fan and undergrowth leaves prematurely (trying to combine indoor and outdoor techniques is tricky), but a sudden switch to full outdoor after initiation of flower12/12 on 7-4 around 8-11 entered my plant into a extended flowering mode , which gives me insight into this to some degree , so many of my mistakes/accidental mishaps helped me learn how the plant can be manipulated with light .

so you are wrong when you say i did not create my phenotype dumbass . my plant is 20 inches long but only 12'' vertical because of my experimental growing techniques , i never heard of or read about , their all mine . phenotypes often explains why one strain can grow so excellent under one person and so mediocre under another ... if i knew more about the genotype of my plant , then i might engineer the grow room/area to fit its genotype better . isnt that the point of growing 13 plants in a room/area and picking the 4 best ones that thrive best in that envirornment , artificially selection or phenotyping for your/its envirornment . had those same 13 plants been grown in a different grow area with a different envirornment , possibly 4 other plants would thrive .


let me add , this dudes plant , never really climatized itself to this grow room . i suggest this person read about climatization and phenotypes . he prolly shouldnt start out with something so complicated . unless all you want is to grow bud for the sake of growing bud following other ppls recipes . then start over . we learn more from our mistakes than when everything is peachy . what you learn along the way will give you MJJ growing precepts , so you can experiment with confidence down the road , i recomend you keep it simple in the beginning . OH AND BY CHANGING THE LIGHTS AND NUTES you can save this plant probably . like that other dude said , medium problems . i concure .

You did not "create" the phenos, You merely bred 2 plants that other people spent years perfecting then called the offspring seed your own creative genius pheno....lol.

Kinda like taking two peoples songs and mixing them both into a remix and claiming that your remix was purely all of your own creative genius and you created it! Sure you made it by taking both and combing them but you did nothing more than that. It was "ALL"of someone else's work that you are claiming is your own creation.

When you take their plants and breed them for about 10 generations and pick and choose traits and put a massive amount of time into the work then yes you can call it your own created Pheno
 
If you haven't heard about them , it just means you aren't informed. Lst-topping-mainlining-supercropping-fimming-scrogging. It's all the techniques that have been perfected troughout the years, so tell me, what new experimental techniques have you found out?
in do time . but carefull attention to my pics and angle of sun in relationship to branches should give some clues .
 
You did not "create" the phenos, You merely bred 2 plants that other people spent years perfecting then called the offspring seed your own creative genius pheno....lol.

Kinda like taking two peoples songs and mixing them both into a remix and claiming that your remix was purely all of your own creative genius and you created it! Sure you made it by taking both and combing them but you did nothing more than that. It was "ALL"of someone else's work that you are claiming is your own creation.

When you take their plants and breed them for about 10 generations and pick and choose traits and put a massive amount of time into the work then yes you can call it your own created Pheno
if you dont know what phenotype is , then the conversation is over . cant argue with an idiot . i manipulated the envirornment therefore i cheifly influenced this phenotype . stop confusing genotype with phenotype . my baby would have thrived in many envirornments , a desireable trait if intelligently capitolized on . shes more an outdoor plant (and i know exactly where i think she would thrive), kush related but since savannah-gedeon , looks like shes lost . i dont need to selectively focus my energy to narrow growing conditions , which is what you are talking about , artificially selection to fit a specified growing set of conditions . big fucking deal . besides many of plants disregarded because they dont grow well in those pre-set growroom conditions , might thrive in my future massive grows . its not always the plant sometimes its the envirornment .

but back on point . if what i say is true , then when i/we flood the market with dank cheap crap based on blah blah blah . i'll be looking for/making phenos that thrive in my growing conditions , and free energy(subsidized) is one . compete with that shit . haha . since i give a flying fuck about money , you see how doing shit like this is no big deal right . screwing a lot of ppl who benefit from the retards who got MJJ in its current state of overpriced-psuedolegalization , HIPPIES are bad(in cartman voice) and i can prove it .

Marijuana should be legal in 3 to 5 years . depending .
 

jpeg666

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Well You are somewhat right and I was uneducated about Phenotypic plasticity. I was in the mind set of phenotypes of animals and insects where if you took two of the same bug and or human twins and put them in two radically different places they would still look the same and express the same genetics.

I read up on Phenotypic plasticity, and educated myself on how plants can dramatically change themselves in the environment.

Sorry for the hostility.

I say somewhat right because A phenotype is still an expression of an organisms genes along partly with environment, So Yea you helped bring out a specific pheno in the plants genetics but that would not have been possible without somebody else's hard work and creation of that plants particular gene set from generations of selecting and breeding
 

jpeg666

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DUHHHH...... I LEARNDED A LOT!!!!!!!

Orignal Source: https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=44938 Thanks to Grat3fulh3ad

Phenotype --This is the "outward, physical manifestation" of the organism. These are the physical parts, the sum of the atoms, molecules, macromolecules, cells, structures, metabolism, energy utilization, tissues, organs, reflexes and behaviors; anything that is part of the observable structure, function or behavior of a living organism.

Genotype --This is the "internally coded, inheritable information" carried by all living organisms. This stored information is used as a "blueprint" or set of instructions for building and maintaining a living creature. These instructions are found within almost all cells (the "internal" part), they are written in a coded language (the genetic code), they are copied at the time of cell division or reproduction and are passed from one generation to the next ("inheritable"). These instructions are intimately involved with all aspects of the life of a cell or an organism. They control everything from the formation of protein macromolecules, to the regulation of metabolism and synthesis.

The phenotype of an individual organism is either its total physical appearance and constitution or a specific manifestation of a trait, such as size, eye color, or behavior that varies between individuals. Phenotype is determined to a large extent by genotype, or by the identity of the alleles that an individual carries at one or more positions on the chromosomes. Many phenotypes are determined by multiple genes and influenced by environmental factors. Thus, the identity of one or a few known alleles does not always enable prediction of the phenotype.
Nevertheless, because phenotypes are much easier to observe than genotypes (it doesn't take chemistry or sequencing to determine a person's eye color), classical genetics uses phenotypes to deduce the functions of genes. Breeding experiments can then check these inferences. In this way, early geneticists were able to trace inheritance patterns without any knowledge of molecular biology.

The distinction between phenotype and genotype is fundamental to the understanding of heredity and development of organisms. The genotype of an organism is the class to which that organism belongs as determined by the description of the actual physical material made up of DNA that was passed to the organism by its parents at the organism's conception. For sexually reproducing organisms that physical material consists of the DNA contributed to the fertilized egg by the sperm and egg of its two parents. For asexually reproducing organisms, for example bacteria, the inherited material is a direct copy of the DNA of its parent. The phenotype of an organism is the class to which that organism belongs as determined by the description of the physical and behavioral characteristics of the organism, for example its size and shape, its metabolic activities and its pattern of movement.

It is essential to distinguish the descriptors of the organism, its genotype and phenotype, from the material objects that are being described. The genotype is the descriptor of the genome which is the set of physical DNA molecules inherited from the organism's parents. The phenotype is the descriptor of the phenome, the manifest physical properties of the organism, its physiology, morphology and behavior.

The genotype-phenotype distinction refers to the fact that while genotype and phenotype of an organism are related, they do not necessarily coincide. The genotype of an organism represents its exact genetic makeup, that is, the particular set of genes it possesses. Two organisms whose genes differ at even one locus (position in their genome) are said to have different genotypes. The term "genotype" refers, then, to the full hereditary information of an organism. The phenotype of an organism, on the other hand, represents its actual physical properties, such as height, weight, hair color, and so on. The mapping of a set of genotypes to a set of phenotypes is sometimes referred to as the genotype-phenotype map.

An organism's genotype is the largest influencing factor in the development of its phenotype, but it is not the only one. Even two organisms with identical genotypes normally differ in their phenotypes. One experiences this in everyday life with monozygous (i.e. identical) twins. Identical twins share the same genotype, since their genomes are identical; but they never have the same phenotype, although their phenotypes may be very similar.

This is apparent in the fact that their mothers and close friends can always tell them apart, even though others might not be able to see the subtle differences. Further, identical twins can be distinguished by their fingerprints, which are never completely identical.

The concept of phenotypic plasticity describes the degree to which an organism's phenotype is determined by its genotype. A high level of plasticity means that environmental factors have a strong influence on the particular phenotype that develops. If there is little plasticity, the phenotype of an organism can be reliably predicted from knowledge of the genotype, regardless of environmental peculiarities during development. An example of high plasticity can be observed in larval newts1 when these larvae sense the presence of predators such as dragonflies, they develop larger heads and tails relative to their body size and display darker pigmentation. Larvae with these traits have a higher chance of survival when exposed to the predators, but grow more slowly than other phenotypes.

In contrast to phenotypic plasticity, the concept of genetic canalization addresses the extent to which an organism's phenotype allows conclusions about its genotype. A phenotype is said to be canalized if mutations (changes in the genome) do not noticeably affect the physical properties of the organism. This means that a canalized phenotype may form from a large variety of different genotypes, in which case it is not possible to exactly predict the genotype from knowledge of the phenotype. If canalization is not present, small changes in the genome have an immediate effect on the phenotype that develops.
 
Well You are somewhat right and I was uneducated about Phenotypic plasticity. I was in the mind set of phenotypes of animals and insects where if you took two of the same bug and or human twins and put them in two radically different places they would still look the same and express the same genetics.

I read up on Phenotypic plasticity, and educated myself on how plants can dramatically change themselves in the environment.

Sorry for the hostility.

I say somewhat right because A phenotype is still an expression of an organisms genes along partly with environment, So Yea you helped bring out a specific pheno in the plants genetics but that would not have been possible without somebody else's hard work and creation of that plants particular gene set from generations of selecting and breeding
i too thought that way until challenged somewhere else on phenotype , so now i can start to show pics over in my outdoor grow thread . i do have a question . about a specific plant , at what age does she pass along the conditions which she has become accustomed(sp). is this what they call 2nd generation climatization or something like that . sorry my time at the computer is limited and i am involved in the case that will lead to legalization . i ask because is it too late to breed my plant . as she recently took a beating .

and i did already mention i got lucky to get her . shes a later flowering kush relative . also , if possible to rehab her would it be ok to throw her in a 14plus hour envirornment to extend the flowering to give her time to recover ? if you know or have an opinion . my pics that are not cropped will explain some of my experimental techniques . her current pics not updated since 9 days ago will explain . i have a hard time transferring pics from camera to memory stick .

i wanted time to find a buyer for her story . maybe high times or they kinda suck any others come to mind ? i have 100 quality photos which generally provides some of the examples of what i am doing .

i am working on too many dominos for 12-21-12 , as i know the exact history significance of that day and the companion date .

as i post pictures over the next week and beyond .... i have 4 seeds from the hermie(sister?) & OHSavannah , lost 2 in the dirt near the devistation(sp) and would some ppl like to breed with her ?. the basis of my new growing philosophy and how to legalize completely will unfold , in part you need to turn your backs on NORML as being stupid and wastefull RETARDS ,

because of 122112 and my last crazxy year filled with the nearly impossible rules i have to follow COMBINED w all other shit .... i would like a early critique of the pics in my outdoor grow thread GREATER GARDEN GROVE HELP NEEDED or something like that .

remember i am still comming to terms with losing my grow spot and barely rescueing her . i need to figure out wtf i am going to do soon . new grow spot is really nerve wracking .


so if someone wants to rescue her , open to negotiation
 
i posted the pictures , and can imagine if she was grown in full sun all year long ... in a 5G bucket . she needs a specialist . i am in over my head , if these characteristics are desireable .
 
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