Chunky Stool
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Neem oil is extracted from neem seed, which is then sold as a soil amendment.
I assume it would cause the same issue, yes?
I assume it would cause the same issue, yes?
Poisoned by neem oil?
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fragileassassin
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Some yes, we tried to get an idea if that was the case with our diet changes and that didnt seem to help.
Ive tested negative for celiac disease but I dont think we did a wheat allergy test. My Dr is working on getting me in with a new gastro dr, havent seen one since I moved here. Will bring that up for sure.
fragileassassin
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Im not really sure tbh, there are a lot of variables here so who knows what's going on.
It could be that the stuff im getting has had a product like azamax sprayed directly on the buds and thats whats happening. Or that theyre just mixing way to much of it into their soil or something like that. Maybe i'm sensitive to it?
The only real answer to that that I have found is that cannabis likely absorbs it differently than most plants and very little testing has been done with it and cannabis. It seems people just started suddenly using it because it was called organic.
fragileassassin
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This is more of me being fed up with my current situation and looking for any possible answer.
If you actually read any of the thread youd see its just a discussion of the possibility, not anyone trying to say that it IS happening.
xtsho
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I'm just going to stop using outdoors. I'm not concerned about my health but more for beneficial insects and bee's which I'm sure it kills as well.
GreenHighlander
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Spraying anything in flowering is a terrible idea. That being said, as has been stated neem oil has been used for thousands of years extensively in the east indian diet. Not only that it is also used widely as a medicinal plant in various forms on its own.
Also fyi people did not suddenly start using it because it was called organic. It has been used in the cultivation of cannabis for at least 3 decades now and not by cash croppers, but those who actually care about what they are producing as medicine.
I can assure you if you buy your produce at a grocery store then you are exposing yourself to far, far worse then neem oil.
And yes I am aware there are no official studies in regards to it being systemic and being used on plants that are later smoked. I am also aware there are none of those studies done on any of the alternatives including the "approved" chemicals.
Cheers
Also fyi people did not suddenly start using it because it was called organic. It has been used in the cultivation of cannabis for at least 3 decades now and not by cash croppers, but those who actually care about what they are producing as medicine.
I can assure you if you buy your produce at a grocery store then you are exposing yourself to far, far worse then neem oil.
And yes I am aware there are no official studies in regards to it being systemic and being used on plants that are later smoked. I am also aware there are none of those studies done on any of the alternatives including the "approved" chemicals.
Cheers
fragileassassin
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I guess well find out next month when my crop is done. =)
I wouldnt be the first to show major improvement after switching to clean home grown bud.
I dont buy grocery store produce. ive actually been considering using the other half of my space to start a veggie garden.
and again, eating something is not the same as burning and inhaling it at all. most things change on a molecular level when they are burned. I dont understand why the possibility that our lungs may be able to absorb something that our digestive system doesnt is such a hard concept to grasp for some people.
I wouldnt be the first to show major improvement after switching to clean home grown bud.
I dont buy grocery store produce. ive actually been considering using the other half of my space to start a veggie garden.
and again, eating something is not the same as burning and inhaling it at all. most things change on a molecular level when they are burned. I dont understand why the possibility that our lungs may be able to absorb something that our digestive system doesnt is such a hard concept to grasp for some people.
Dr. Who
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Bottles of neem oil or neem oil concentrates.....Don't last very long at all, effectiveness wise.....On a more humorous note....
I do not like Neem eggs and ham, I do not like it Vostok-I-am.
I do not like it in a house, I don't like it with a mouse, I will not like it in a box, I will not eat it with a fox, I do not like Neem eggs and ham, I do not like them Vostok-I-am
this is again, the LEAF used in cooking. NOT any concentrate extraction!
Bet I have had it in the Indian diner in Kalamazoo....in leaf form....Who knows.
I do not like Neem eggs and ham, I do not like it Vostok-I-am.
I do not like it in a house, I don't like it with a mouse, I will not like it in a box, I will not eat it with a fox, I do not like Neem eggs and ham, I do not like them Vostok-I-am
this is again, the LEAF used in cooking. NOT any concentrate extraction!
Bet I have had it in the Indian diner in Kalamazoo....in leaf form....Who knows.
Bodyne
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it may not cause cancer, but azadirachtin can be very irritating to the skin and stomach and neem oil can be slightly irritating to the eyes and skin. From what I read, if you are around it a lot, or inhale, ingest, whatever, its the amount or concentration. When they say its been used for years, that's true, is very small absorptions aka low exposure. No, it won't kill ya, but seems like an irritant for sure if big exposure. I like the flea killer for cats use. Guess basically worst case it can make ya sick, but treated you'll get better.
What is neem oil?
Neem oil is a naturally occurring pesticide found in seeds from the neem tree. It is yellow to brown, has a bitter taste, and a garlic/sulfur smell. It has been used for hundreds of years to control pests and diseases. Components of neem oil can be found in many products today. These include toothpaste, cosmetics, soaps, and pet shampoos. Neem oil is a mixture of components. Azadirachtin is the most active component for repelling and killing pests and can be extracted from neem oil. The portion left over is called clarified hydrophobic neem oil.
What are some products that contain neem oil?
Neem oil and some of its purified components are used in over 100 pesticide products. They are applied to a wide variety of crops and ornamental plants for insect control. Neem oil can be formulated into granules, dust, wettable powders or emulsifiable concentrates.
Always follow label instructions and take steps to avoid exposure. If any exposures occur, be sure to follow the First Aid instructions on the product label carefully. For additional treatment advice, contact the Poison Control Center at 1-800-222-1222. If you wish to discuss a pesticide problem, please call 1-800-858-7378.
How does neem oil work?
Neem oil is made of many components. Azadirachtin is the most active. It reduces insect feeding and acts as a repellent. It also interferes with insect hormone systems, making it harder for insects to grow and lay eggs. Azadirachtin can also repel and reduce the feeding of nematodes. Other components of neem oil kill insects by hindering their ability to feed. However, the exact role of every component is not known.
How might I be exposed to neem oil?
People can be exposed to chemicals by eating them, breathing them in, through skin contact and eye contact. Since neem oil is used on a variety of crops, people are mainly exposed to neem oil in their diet. People who apply neem oil may also be exposed if they inhale the mist or dust, let the product touch their skin, or fail to wash their hands before eating or smoking. However, the label includes directions for keeping exposure low. For example the label might require applicators to wear protective clothing.
What are some signs and symptoms from a brief exposure to neem oil?
Neem oil can be slightly irritating to the eyes and skin. Azadirachtin, a component of neem oil, can be very irritating to the skin and stomach. The remaining portion of neem oil is made of fatty acids, essential oils and other substances that are commonly eaten in a normal diet. These substances are generally recognized as safe (GRAS) by the United States Food and Drug Administration.
In other countries, neem oil has been used on cats for flea control. Some adverse reactions have been reported. Symptoms include feeling sluggish, excessive salivation, impaired movement, trembling, twitching, and convulsions. Some of the cats died. However, most of them recovered within 1 to 5 days.
What happens to neem oil when it enters the body?
Clarified hydrophobic neem oil (without azadirachtin) is made of fatty acids and glycerides. These substances are commonly found in food. When they enter the body, they are broken down, used for energy, and incorporated into cells.
In one study, scientists injected insects with azadirachtin. They found 90% of the dose in the insects' feces within 7 hours. The remaining portion lingered in the insects' bodies for 24 days after the injection.
Is neem oil likely to contribute to the development of cancer?
No. People have been exposed to neem oil in many ways for hundreds of years. During this time no association with increased cancer risk has been found. Studies showed that neem oil did not alter or damage genes. In laboratory tests, animals were fed neem oil for 90 days. They did not have increased cancer rates.
Further, one study found that certain components of neem oil caused cancer cells in hamsters to stop growing or die. Another study looked at prostate cancer cells from humans. Researchers found that neem leaf extract was able to slow their growth.
Has anyone studied non-cancer effects from long-term exposure to neem oil?
In rat studies, no effects were reported when the rats were fed either azadirachtin or clarified hydrophobic neem oil throughout their lives.
Are children more sensitive to neem oil than adults?
In general, children may be especially sensitive to pesticides compared to adults. When rats were fed neem oil in one study, their pregnancies ended. In another study, rats were fed azadirachtin in their diet throughout their lives. No effects to their offspring were found. Additionally, neem oil is used in toothpaste, cosmetics, soaps and traditional medicines around the world. Therefore, people of all ages are commonly exposed to neem oil. No data were found to show that children are more sensitive than adults to neem oil.
What happens to neem oil in the environment?
Azadirachtin, a major component of neem oil, is rapidly broken down. Microbes and light break down the pesticide in soil, water and on plants. The half-life of azadirachtin in soil ranges from 3 - 44 days. In water, the half-life ranges from 48 minutes to 4 days. It also rapidly breaks down on plant leaves; the half-life if 1 - 2.5 days. The remaining components of neem oil are broken down by microbes in most soil and water environments.
Can neem oil affect birds, fish, or other wildlife?
Neem oil is practically non-toxic to birds, mammals, bees and plants. Neem oil is slightly toxic to fish and other aquatic organisms. Azadirachtin, a component of neem oil, is moderately toxic to fish and other aquatic animals. It is important to remember that insects must eat the treated plant to be killed. Therefore, bees and other pollinators are not likely to be harmed.
Where can I get more information?
For more detailed information about neem oil please visit the list of referenced resources or call the National Pesticide, Monday - Friday, between 8:00am - 12:00pm Pacific Time (11:00am - 3:00pm Eastern Time) at 1-800-858-7378 or visit us on the web at http://npic.orst.edu. NPIC provides objective, science-based answers to questions about pesticides.
Date Reviewed: March 2012
Please cite as: Bond, C.; Buhl, K.; Stone, D. 2012. Neem Oil General Fact Sheet; National Pesticide Information Center, Oregon State University Extension Services. http://npic.orst.edu/factsheets/neemgen.html.
NPIC fact sheets are designed to answer questions that are commonly asked by the general public about pesticides that are regulated by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (U.S. EPA). This document is intended to be educational in nature and helpful to consumers for making decisions about pesticide use.
ANC
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Your lungs don't provide the benefit of first filtering shit through your liver.
I try my best to use fish friendly methods as I am a big fish enthusiast and fundi.
fragileassassin
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fragileassassin
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This is one of the big points ive been trying to get at. I smoke at least an eighth a day (usually more) every day for years and recently its all been from the same place. Ive only ever met a few people that actually smoke as much as I do.
In one study, scientists injected insects with azadirachtin. They found 90% of the dose in the insects' feces within 7 hours. The remaining portion lingered in the insects' bodies for 24 days after the injection.
Sounds like the potential for long term build up to levels of toxicity to me.
GreenHighlander
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This is straight from India. It is sold at an east indian grocery store here strickly for use in cooking. I have used once in veg for many years now.
It is also cheap as hell compared to any of the "Einstein oils". Not to mention more pure.
I use once in veg as a preventative. I do not use anything else at any other time.
I also have spiders that I like to keep alive
As for the OP you are doing the safest thing a person can do for themselves. Growing your own. It truly is the only way a person knows forsure what it has or hasn't been treated with.
Cheers
It is also cheap as hell compared to any of the "Einstein oils". Not to mention more pure.
I use once in veg as a preventative. I do not use anything else at any other time.
I also have spiders that I like to keep alive
As for the OP you are doing the safest thing a person can do for themselves. Growing your own. It truly is the only way a person knows forsure what it has or hasn't been treated with.
Cheers
simpleleaf
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Imidacloprid, fipronil, permethrin, lufeneron, methoprene, pyriproxyfen, or something else?
(I'm a caretaker for a small colony of cats)
Sorry, I have no comments about neem oil.
fragileassassin
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My mom lost one of her cats in days to a bad reaction to the same flea stuff shed used on them for years. She treated them all at the same time and some from the same box and the rest were fine.
I am sooo glad that pet fleas are pretty much non-existent where we live now and I dont have to treat mine.
Chunky Stool
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@curious2garden may have some insight.
I know she's not a fan of neem oil and may have some suggestions for your condition.
I know she's not a fan of neem oil and may have some suggestions for your condition.
simpleleaf
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Permethrin shouldn't be used on cats, but I've read that cat owners have used it with bad results (deaths). I've used Advantage which is a form of imidacloprid, but it stopped working for fleas in our locality a couple years ago. I tried fipronil for a short time, but something about it I didn't like, don't remember what, possibly something I read about it. I switched to lufenuron with nitenpyram. Works fine for now, but bulk lufenuron powder is a hassle to weigh. None of those caused any known issues with any of our cats. Lufeneron is sold as an agricultural insecticide as well, although I have not used it for that purpose. It interferes with insects chitin production and is considered a benzoylurea (link).
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Neem oil can leave a taste. What's the condition for which there is a needed solution?