Psychedelics underwater

I'm an avid diver and graduate student in a field where diving is paramount to what we do. I'd have to say even with a buddy tripping on SCUBA is a dumb idea. There are too many variables that you need to keep in line, ESPECIALLY IF YOU AREN'T (YET) A CERTIFIED DIVER. There is much more to diving than simply swimming around underwater breathing from a tank, and the chances of you forgetting/neglecting/ignoring/not noticing an issue can only be increased exponentially if you're tripping.

People trip all the time while scuba diving without taking any drugs...it's called Nitrogen Narcosis. Every year people die from it. Granted this occurs at depths of 100+ feet, way beyond what you're planning (I hope). It only takes a second for someone to remove their regulator and inhale a nice deep breath of sea water...especially if they are tripping and DON'T KNOW ANY BETTER. And you certainly don't need to be 100ft deep to drown.

I would cast my vote for snorkeling on shrooms. Get some fins, a mask and snorkel and you're ready to go. No worries about air embolisms, the bends, equalizing, running out of air, freaking out/having a bad trip underwater...

Granted you are still putting yourself in a risky situation by snorkeling, you are FAR safer doing this (STILL WITH A BUDDY) than you are diving, even if only to 10 or 15 feet.

There's already so much that can go wrong while scuba diving. People die doing it every year without tripping balls.

Jerry Garcia said:

I'm an avid diver and graduate student in a field where diving is paramount to what we do. I'd have to say even with a buddy tripping on SCUBA is a dumb idea. There are too many variables that you need to keep in line, ESPECIALLY IF YOU AREN'T (YET) A CERTIFIED DIVER. There is much more to diving than simply swimming around underwater breathing from a tank, and the chances of you forgetting/neglecting/ignoring/not noticing an issue can only be increased exponentially if you're tripping.

People trip all the time while scuba diving without taking any drugs...it's called Nitrogen Narcosis. Every year people die from it. Granted this occurs at depths of 100+ feet, way beyond what you're planning (I hope). It only takes a second for someone to remove their regulator and inhale a nice deep breath of sea water...especially if they are tripping and DON'T KNOW ANY BETTER. And you certainly don't need to be 100ft deep to drown.

I would cast my vote for snorkeling on shrooms. Get some fins, a mask and snorkel and you're ready to go. No worries about air embolisms, the bends, equalizing, running out of air, freaking out/having a bad trip underwater...

Granted you are still putting yourself in a risky situation by snorkeling, you are FAR safer doing this (STILL WITH A BUDDY) than you are diving, even if only to 10 or 15 feet.

There's already so much that can go wrong while scuba diving. People die doing it every year without tripping balls.

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This fellow up here just took the psychedelics under water to a whole new level

ANC said:

My vote goes for snorkeling off the coast of bazzaruto Island off the cost of mozambique, the fish are incredible (this comming from a DMT head), and the shells are awesome, many pretty ones like the large tiger cowries etc....

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Listen to ANC he knows his shit!

Jerry Garcia said:

I'm an avid diver and graduate student in a field where diving is paramount to what we do. I'd have to say even with a buddy tripping on SCUBA is a dumb idea. There are too many variables that you need to keep in line, ESPECIALLY IF YOU AREN'T (YET) A CERTIFIED DIVER. There is much more to diving than simply swimming around underwater breathing from a tank, and the chances of you forgetting/neglecting/ignoring/not noticing an issue can only be increased exponentially if you're tripping.

People trip all the time while scuba diving without taking any drugs...it's called Nitrogen Narcosis. Every year people die from it. Granted this occurs at depths of 100+ feet, way beyond what you're planning (I hope). It only takes a second for someone to remove their regulator and inhale a nice deep breath of sea water...especially if they are tripping and DON'T KNOW ANY BETTER. And you certainly don't need to be 100ft deep to drown.

I would cast my vote for snorkeling on shrooms. Get some fins, a mask and snorkel and you're ready to go. No worries about air embolisms, the bends, equalizing, running out of air, freaking out/having a bad trip underwater...

Granted you are still putting yourself in a risky situation by snorkeling, you are FAR safer doing this (STILL WITH A BUDDY) than you are diving, even if only to 10 or 15 feet.

There's already so much that can go wrong while scuba diving. People die doing it every year without tripping balls.

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Ok I see what your saying but what about a minibreather?

if u can trip with scuba in the pool whats so different about the ocean besides the currents or going to deep. i think a mild trip would be safe. like if i had some acid that i knew was not to intense. then drop a hit and get into the trip then go under in a shallow, sandy, calm area. and of course have someone sober by your side. theres deff some places i could do this in my area.

http://en.allexperts.com/q/Scuba-Diving-1649/mini-tanks.htm

well this^ is discouraging to my argument but I have used a mini tank in shallow water and was told it would last 30 minutes so I duno what theyre sayin

what about this???!:http://ssuba.com/

Any situation where you would be breathing compressed air from a tank, whether it's a little mini-tank or whatever the hell that SSUBA thing is, will introduce the risks I highlighted before. An air embolism occurs when you take a breath of air at depth (say 20 feet) and then quickly shoot to the surface while still holding the air in your lungs. When you breath air underwater, the pressure condenses the air, making it take up less space. As you ascend, the pressure lessens and the air expands. If you ascend while holding a lungful of air, the air will expand and your lungs could potentially pop. See the problem?

To counter this, people are taught to exhale while surfacing, especially if they are in an emergency situation. If you haven't been properly instructed by a person certified to do so, you wouldn't know about this or other potential life-threatening scenarios you may encounter.

So, even using some mini-tank or emergency air source that will give you a few breaths can still kill you if you aren't aware of the dangers. Taking a deep breath at 20 feet and rocketing the surface because you ran out of air will cause an embolism.

Again, just get a mask, snorkel and fins and swim around to your hearts content. I'm sure the experience will be just as fun, and way less life-threatening.

floridasucks said:

if u can trip with scuba in the pool whats so different about the ocean besides the currents or going to deep. i think a mild trip would be safe. like if i had some acid that i knew was not to intense. then drop a hit and get into the trip then go under in a shallow, sandy, calm area. and of course have someone sober by your side. theres deff some places i could do this in my area.

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It's just not a good idea. Maybe in 5 feet of water...but why are you scuba diving then? You can take a breath through a snorkel and swim around underwater looking at stuff.

I know about the air-pressure-in-your-lungs thing. My dad taught me when I used his 2nd breather in the keys as a kid. I'm pretty sure I could remember to do this the only time I shoot to the surface is when I run out of breath snorkeling. The SSUBA thing sounds dumb but I have actually seen people using them for shallow water diving. It would also be a safety precaution in its self, because you can't go deeper than the hose and the compressor can be tied to the boat or where ever. Also I would have a plan with the spotter to tell them when I'm going up so they can remind me not to have an air embolism. Let's say bad case scenario: the compressor on the SSUBA breaks or stops. Even if I did freak out and not know which way is up(highly unlikly in shallow water in the day light) I have a life line to follow up and a friend right next to me to keep me from shooting to the surface(If I somehow forget what we talked about before the trip) because we would share the hose unless it has two.

Jerry, of corse, you know more about scuba than I do. I agree that there are many things that could go wrong. but the risk of any of those thing happening can be decreased to a safe point by taking the necessary precautions and going no more than 20-30 feet or the length of the ssuba chord

Edit: or I might just try to make a super snorkel thats 20 feet long lol

Jerry Garcia said:

It's just not a good idea. Maybe in 5 feet of water...but why are you scuba diving then? You can take a breath through a snorkel and swim around underwater looking at stuff.

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yea i guess that defeats the purpose... i think it would be cool to just sink to the bottom and lay there, you know how different that is than snorkeling around on top.

Jerry Garcia said:

It's just not a good idea. Maybe in 5 feet of water...but why are you scuba diving then? You can take a breath through a snorkel and swim around underwater looking at stuff.

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I dont think it'd be too difficult


Like I said if they had a few sober dives down in pretty calm/clear waters theyd be good


You cant get bent in less than 30ft of water, its not even another atmosphere... All theyd have to do is pop their ears a few times and get onto the sand bottom

All theyd have to do to be careful of the over expanded lungs would be slowly breathe, and if they did rocket to the surface, make sure not to hold a full breath... Granted you cant be tripping on too many shrooms... I wouldnt want visuals if I was diving but a small amount would be pleasureable

And yeah diving is a trip without shrooms, but thats normal diving, coral, currents, animals, colors, walls etc.

25 ft sand bottom, chill out there, play with your bubbles, take off your fins and dump the air in your bc and start jumping around





But, it depends on the person, if your not comfortable in the water and QUICK TO GET THE FUCK OUT OF an uncomfortable place, scuba trippin, even SCUBA itself really isnt for you.... When shit happens, you have to take a deep breath (if breathing isnt a part of the problem) calm down, asses the situation, remember your training, take care of that shit and get to the surface





I was recently on mushrooms and discussing scuba tripping with a friend... At the time of tripping I was just thinking, "Man I'm tripping so hard no way I would even want to scuba dive"


Think about it, trivial problems arise when your breathing air on the surface, sometimes there isnt a need to put yourself in a place that is tough to get out of

Honestly, you guys take too few shrooms...
I am perfectly happy as long as I can make it somewhere to purge without falling over.

ANC said:

Honestly, you guys take too few shrooms...
I am perfectly happy as long as I can make it somewhere to purge without falling over.

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What are you talking about?

it's a good idea if your trying to get nominated for the darwin award.

Red Icarus said:

it's a good idea if your trying to get nominated for the darwin award.

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Do you hold any scuba diving certification?

Zeplike said:

but the risk of any of those thing happening can be decreased to a safe point by taking the necessary precautions and going no more than 20-30 feet or the length of the ssuba chord

Edit: or I might just try to make a super snorkel thats 20 feet long lol

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After looking at the SSUBA thingy I believe it's what we call a "Hookah." Basically a floating lawnmower engine powering an air compressor that flows through multiple hoses. While this would be a decent alternative, there is still lots that can go wrong.

HOWEVER, nothing will decrease your risks to a safe point when you're on drugs, because you and the trip can be unpredictable. I still think even 20 feet is too deep.

Unfortunately, a 20ft snorkel doesn't work either, as the pressure makes it too hard to suck air down the tube.

Sr. Verde said:

I dont think it'd be too difficult

Like I said if they had a few sober dives down in pretty calm/clear waters theyd be good

You cant get bent in less than 30ft of water, its not even another atmosphere... All theyd have to do is pop their ears a few times and get onto the sand bottom

All theyd have to do to be careful of the over expanded lungs would be slowly breathe, and if they did rocket to the surface, make sure not to hold a full breath... Granted you cant be tripping on too many shrooms... I wouldnt want visuals if I was diving but a small amount would be pleasureable

And yeah diving is a trip without shrooms, but thats normal diving, coral, currents, animals, colors, walls etc.

25 ft sand bottom, chill out there, play with your bubbles, take off your fins and dump the air in your bc and start jumping around

But, it depends on the person, if your not comfortable in the water and QUICK TO GET THE FUCK OUT OF an uncomfortable place, scuba trippin, even SCUBA itself really isnt for you.... When shit happens, you have to take a deep breath (if breathing isnt a part of the problem) calm down, asses the situation, remember your training, take care of that shit and get to the surface

I was recently on mushrooms and discussing scuba tripping with a friend... At the time of tripping I was just thinking, "Man I'm tripping so hard no way I would even want to scuba dive"

Think about it, trivial problems arise when your breathing air on the surface, sometimes there isnt a need to put yourself in a place that is tough to get out of

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You absolutely can get bent in 30 feet of water. If you spend enough time down there...say using a full standard steel tank...you're body will absorb enough nitrogen to get you bent if you 1) surface too fast or 2) don't take a safety stop.

Will you get bent...not necessarily, but it certainly CAN and HAS happened. Whether you're on a hookah or SCUBA your body absorbs nitrogen at depth.

I think it all goes back to experience...both with tripping and scuba diving. If you were highly experienced in both I'm sure you could find a way to do with some degree of safety, but the fact is you are going into a dangerous situation/environment (underwater) without a clear head. As Sr. Verde said, trivial problems happen when you're just existing on the surface...why compound the issue and risk your life?

Jerry Garcia said:

After looking at the SSUBA thingy I believe it's what we call a "Hookah." Basically a floating lawnmower engine powering an air compressor that flows through multiple hoses. While this would be a decent alternative, there is still lots that can go wrong.

HOWEVER, nothing will decrease your risks to a safe point when you're on drugs, because you and the trip can be unpredictable. I still think even 20 feet is too deep.

Unfortunately, a 20ft snorkel doesn't work either, as the pressure makes it too hard to suck air down the tube.



You absolutely can get bent in 30 feet of water. If you spend enough time down there...say using a full standard steel tank...you're body will absorb enough nitrogen to get you bent if you 1) surface too fast or 2) don't take a safety stop.

Will you get bent...not necessarily, but it certainly CAN and HAS happened. Whether you're on a hookah or SCUBA your body absorbs nitrogen at depth.

I think it all goes back to experience...both with tripping and scuba diving. If you were highly experienced in both I'm sure you could find a way to do with some degree of safety, but the fact is you are going into a dangerous situation/environment (underwater) without a clear head. As Sr. Verde said, trivial problems happen when you're just existing on the surface...why compound the issue and risk your life?

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Listen to Jerry Garcia he never pointed us in the wrong direction

SCUBA and psychs just sounds like a bad idea. I have been surfing on LSD and that was pretty wild. VERY intense disorientation during wipeouts and it was hard to keep calm. This is of course just my experience.

Having been certified on SCUBA equipment for decades, it is an activity that requires your wits. Under water is about as hostile an environment as you can get. One false move, even sober can get you dead in a hurry. People have drowned in inches of water, let alone feet.

You could conceivably stay down indefinitely at 20 feet. Been chasing bugs with 3 consecutive 120cf HP steels in 25' of water with no issues for years. Total bottom time of about 5 to 6 hours per session...no nitrogen loading effects.

That said, even with nothing but adrenaline in my system it can get pretty crazy down there. To be safe, I would recommend a crew of at least two sober and certified rescue divers. If you were to freak out, one person may have trouble getting you to safety.

Jerry Garcia said:

You absolutely can get bent in 30 feet of water. If you spend enough time down there...say using a full standard steel tank...you're body will absorb enough nitrogen to get you bent if you 1) surface too fast or 2) don't take a safety stop.

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You dont have enough air to get bent at 30 feet.

I've done an hour and a fifteen minute dive at 30-40 feet (navigation dive) and did not do a safety stop and was completely fine. Look, here are the PADI dive tables to prove my point.



Do you think you can stay at 35 feet for 205 minutes (3.4 HOURS) on ONE tank of air?

I was impressed with myself for 1 hour 15 minutes on 3100 psi, even with a 5000 psi tank (most gear isnt even rated for 5000 psi) that would still only give myself maximum of around 2 hours and 10 minutes underwater, not even CLOSE to the no deco limits.

That's the no deco limit though, according to PADI, a safety stop is required at 2 and a half hours, which MAY be possible with a 5000psi cylinder but you have to be extremely well conditioned. Again, I doubt anyone would want to eat mushrooms and spend two and a half hours underwater breathing compressed air, they would probably pass out and drown from exhaustion before anything else happened.

I highly doubt that anyone would want to spend two and a half hours at 35 feet. And I doubt even more that they would have a 5000psi tank, and gear that can hold that amount of pressure.