Recycled Organic Living Soil (ROLS) and No Till Thread

[earthling420]

ok cool thanks. how do I find highest quality ewc?what's the highest quality besides homemade. Same for compost. Im gonna look into composing and try to work on that. idk about an earth worm farm though. What is the best storage for letting the dirt sit? So excited to mix it soon and use it for flower this round

 

[hyroot]

ok cool thanks. how do I find highest quality ewc?what's the highest quality besides homemade. Same for compost. Im gonna look into composing and try to work on that. idk about an earth worm farm though. What is the best storage for letting the dirt sit? So excited to mix it soon and use it for flower this round

best store bouught ewc imo

http://www.fertilizeronline.com/wormcast.php

if you are in Cali this place carries them. They have locations all over Cali'. they also carry malibu bu's blend compost which is pretty good.

http://www.hydroscape.com/

I store everything in rubbermaids. Target has18 gals for $4.50. Price does vary from area to area.

Imo worm bins are lot easier to deal with than a compost bin. A compost bin you have to turn compost everyday and it smells horrible. Takes forever to break down.. A pile covered with hay outside is easier, still has to be turned frequently. With worm bins the worms do all the work. It smells earthy.. You just add food for the worms. then use a sifter screen when its time to harvest. to separate the worms from the vermicompost.

 

[earthling420]

best store bouught ewc imo

http://www.fertilizeronline.com/wormcast.php

if you are in Cali this place carries them. They have locations all over Cali'. they also carry malibu bu's blend compost which is pretty good.

http://www.hydroscape.com/

I store everything in rubbermaids. Target has18 gals for $4.50. Price does vary from area to area.

Imo worm bins are lot easier to deal with than a compost bin. A compost bin you have to turn compost everyday and it smells horrible. Takes forever to break down.. A pile covered with hay outside is easier, still has to be turned frequently. With worm bins the worms do all the work. It smells earthy.. You just add food for the worms. then use a sifter screen when its time to harvest. to separate the worms from the vermicompost.

How can you tell what's good ewc and compost? Thanks for the links mate.
Cool, any particular area to store them? What's good or bad to do while it sits?
Hmm, nice, im liking the worm idea now

 

[DonTesla]

ok cool thanks. how do I find highest quality ewc?what's the highest quality besides homemade. Same for compost. Im gonna look into composing and try to work on that. idk about an earth worm farm though. What is the best storage for letting the dirt sit? So excited to mix it soon and use it for flower this round

sure is da fastest way, da worms.. start a little farm with ur seeds and they will benefit immensely throughout the very first crop more than one might guess. The very first one. best place to store it is where the air will be sucked into vicinity of your ladies, ideally, dam good Co2. for fun, I built a wood table with slits cut out, and my bro built a wooden 3 layer farm, i can keep it in the tent or near intake outside, its amazing.

As for composts, although piled in pyramid-shapes they would require nah LABOUR, no wood or nails,
-and can eat property waste
-and kitchen waste
-even bathroom waste, (hair and urine are boosters, ha)
still, you looking at 6 weeks min. (if u use black plastic and sun)
-and a full season (months) for a 5x5x5 "framed-pile"
-but you will have insane humus and diversity, and you will have created it, which is satisfying an overall obvious for longterm, if you have the space)
-hurdle that wit a lil creativity for first run

Meanwhile, a pound of worms, JUST ROLL WIT ME FOR A SEC.. perhaps sourcable today locally somewhere by you, WOULD, hands down, yield the HIGHEST POSSIBLE QUALITY WORMCASTINGS on the planet. . for you. unless you have someone minutes away also making castings. Within a week, they produce! Thats what they turn bananas into, which they love. The Dons farm their own, and wow, although Gardner & Bloom is our fav cause its almost pure pellets, our own are.. well they are on a super diet and the results are looking favourable, mon.

If you have your own worms somewhere nearby, they produce no smell but tonnes of Co2 and tonnes of custom topdressing or (super) base-additive. So we get the rare growth hormones in right here. Why wait for da teas, right, haha.

 

[st0wandgrow]

best place to store it is where the air will be sucked into vicinity of your ladies, ideally, dam good Co2. for fun, I built a wood table with slits cut out, and my bro built a wooden 3 layer farm, i can keep it in the tent or near intake outside, its amazing.

Frig, that's a good idea. I could leave the bins right outside the flower room and take advantage of the CO2 they give off.

Good lookin out DT!

 

[earthling420]

sure is da fastest way, da worms.. start a little farm with ur seeds and they will benefit immensely throughout the very first crop more than one might guess. The very first one. best place to store it is where the air will be sucked into vicinity of your ladies, ideally, dam good Co2. for fun, I built a wood table with slits cut out, and my bro built a wooden 3 layer farm, i can keep it in the tent or near intake outside, its amazing.

As for composts, although piled in pyramid-shapes they would require nah LABOUR, no wood or nails,
-and can eat property waste
-and kitchen waste
-even bathroom waste, (hair and urine are boosters, ha)
still, you looking at 6 weeks min. (if u use black plastic and sun)
-and a full season (months) for a 5x5x5 "framed-pile"
-but you will have insane humus and diversity, and you will have created it, which is satisfying an overall obvious for longterm, if you have the space)
-hurdle that wit a lil creativity for first run

Meanwhile, a pound of worms, JUST ROLL WIT ME FOR A SEC.. perhaps sourcable today locally somewhere by you, WOULD, hands down, yield the HIGHEST POSSIBLE QUALITY WORMCASTINGS on the planet. . for you. unless you have someone minutes away also making castings. Within a week, they produce! View attachment 3189442 Thats what they turn bananas into, which they love. The Dons farm their own, and wow, although Gardner & Bloom is our fav cause its almost pure pellets, our own are.. well they are on a super diet and the results are looking favourable, mon.

If you have your own worms somewhere nearby, they produce no smell but tonnes of Co2 and tonnes of custom topdressing or (super) base-additive. So we get the rare growth hormones in right here. Why wait for da teas, right, haha.

Ya im not sure if I'll make a compost right now, and it sounds like the worm farm is better?
That's gnarly man, nice worms!
I really wanna make one now.

 

[earthling420]

sorry if it's a stupid question, but I have some pot sprouts going in FFLW right now, but the dirt sat outside for 3 months. It looks different than the new dirt, and I was wondering if the dirt is still good? Should I use the new dirt?

 

[DonPetro]

Frig, that's a good idea. I could leave the bins right outside the flower room and take advantage of the CO2 they give off.

Good lookin out DT!

Ah yes, DT has reached Jedi status. Welcome to the Rebellion.

 

[st0wandgrow]

sorry if it's a stupid question, but I have some pot sprouts going in FFLW right now, but the dirt sat outside for 3 months. It looks different than the new dirt, and I was wondering if the dirt is still good? Should I use the new dirt?

Do you have access to compost or worm castings? If so, I'd brew up a compost tea and wet your soil down with that. That will jump start the old soil with a fresh army of microbes, and the soil will be as good as new.

BTW, there are no stupid questions. Fire away

 

[a senile fungus]

I can't wait to get started.

Will keep you all posted.

 

[canadiankushman]

Little off topic but still related to ROLS, can someone point me in the right direction to some info or a grow journal where someone does a perpetual bloom cycle in their beds/tubs of soil?

Thx!

Ck.

 

[AllDayToker]

Sounds specific lol.

Anyways I swear I heard of one person that plants multi plants in just one big plant bed, just don't remember the name. Maybe someone here will.

 

[thegreenbull]

Ive Been lurking this thread since March /April been taking extensive notes and getting my needed materials and just when I thought I was on my way into the game it seems the rules changed and along comes the great debate about peat moss coco/coir and aeration perlite/ricehulls please advise

 

[st0wandgrow]

Ive Been lurking this thread since March /April been taking extensive notes and getting my needed materials and just when I thought I was on my way into the game it seems the rules changed and along comes the great debate about peat moss coco/coir and aeration perlite/ricehulls please advise

Use what you have. IMO both peat and coco are fine mediums. If you go with coco there's no need to lime it, but adding some gypsum would be a good idea. Sulfur is apparently needed with coco. If you go with peat keep in min it's quite acidic and you will need to counter that with something like oyster shell flour. As for aeration use what you have or can find locally. I use rice hulls, but they're a bitch to find around here. Perlite is fine as well

 

[thegreenbull]

Use what you have. IMO both peat and coco are fine mediums. If you go with coco there's no need to lime it, but adding some gypsum would be a good idea. Sulfur is apparently needed with coco. If you go with peat keep in min it's quite acidic and you will need to counter that with something like oyster shell flour. As for aeration use what you have or can find locally. I use rice hulls, but they're a bitch to find around here. Perlite is fine as well

Thanks

 

[hyroot]

some new coco coming from Brazil through inda gro. I'll be testing some. Picking up the coco in a little over a week. Its grown inland, away from the ocean. Very low salt content from the start.. They harvest from outer husk and wash, then dry in the sun for 24 months. Its already fluffed and rinsed and ready to go. That's what I was told. They said with their testing they got 30% better growth with tomatoes and hops vs coco tek and bio buzz and canna.. They are using it with their aquaponics too. Growing cannabis and veggies

edit:

was just emailed this from inda gro . They sent out the coco sample to be analyzed.This is the summary.

Soil Analyses Plant Analyses Water Analyses
WALLACE LABORATORIES, LLC


The Coco Coir material has moderate acidity with a pH of 6.04. Salinity is low at 0.27 millimho/cm. Soluble boron is safe at 0.16 part per million in the saturation extract.
The organic matter content is 95.1% on a dry weight basis. The carbon:nitrogen ratio is high at 87.5.
The NPK content is 0.00 - 0.02 - 0.25. Each cubic yard contains 0.01 pound of nitrogen, 0.15 pound of phosphorus oxide and 1.53 pounds of potash. The major nutrient content is potassium and calcium. Available aluminum is modest. The concentrations of non-essential heavy metals are low. Total available sodium is modest. SAR (sodium adsorption ratio) is 0.7.
The acid-soluble fraction which is the fraction of potentially plant available minerals is 1.2% on a dry weight basis. The acid-insoluble fraction which is predominantly consists of sand, silt and clay is 3.7% on a dry weight basis.
The material does not have a off odor.
The bulk density is 612 pounds per cubic yard. The percent moisture is 68.9% on a dry weight basis.

 

[DonTesla]

Ah yes, DT has reached Jedi status. Welcome to the Rebellion.

Use what you have. IMO both peat and coco are fine mediums. If you go with coco there's no need to lime it, but adding some gypsum would be a good idea. Sulfur is apparently needed with coco. If you go with peat keep in min it's quite acidic and you will need to counter that with something like oyster shell flour. As for aeration use what you have or can find locally. I use rice hulls, but they're a bitch to find around here. Perlite is fine as well

@DonPetro What you think about this apparent need for sulphur with coco, all mighty soil mixer, and spirit protector of the ganja farmers?

 

[DonTesla]

RAISING. DEE. BAR. BOYS. (by dat mon, i mean, knowledge pool) BIG UP! wit dat said, what are da final CEC numbers for COIR and PEAT. we could then say the CEC of COCO-PEAT 50-50 is the average of the two.

 

[DonPetro]

@DonPetro What you think about this apparent need for sulphur with coco, all mighty soil mixer, and spirit protector of the ganja farmers?

Well, st0w mentioned gypsum. Gypsum has lots of sulphur as do most rock minerals(broken down over time). However, most sulphur is supplied by microbial activity through the decomp of organic matter. It can also be supplied by rain-water in the form of sulphur-dioxide i believe.

 

[st0wandgrow]

Well, st0w mentioned gypsum. Gypsum has lots of sulphur as do most rock minerals(broken down over time). However, most sulphur is supplied by microbial activity through the decomp of organic matter. It can also be supplied by rain-water in the form of sulphur-dioxide i believe.

That was mentioned in one of the links posted. I added it to the coco base I threw together..... So I hope that info is correct! Lol