Recycled Organic Living Soil (ROLS) and No Till Thread

[a senile fungus]

After reading this I can't be sure why your plants are experiencing a deficiency. It could come down to the soil not being alive or sulfur as you say. I have never considered how balanced my soil was when I started organics. I ran with cootz recipe and after initially making the soil, I only topdress if I see the start of a deficiency (usually calcium, and I just topdress with gypsum). I topdress at 1 tbsp per 5 gallons because I feel less is more and I can always add more later, and If I see an abundance (rarely, mostly nitrogen) I can switch to a different organic substance.

Based on my growing style I would still go with the rockdust and gypsum. I'm not sure why you are thinking of adding DE? care to share?

I have never experienced a sulfur abundance but I have had a deficiency once (no more thanks to gypsum ). I only have alfalfa, kelp. neem, crab, and gypsum/rockdust in my grow room arsenal. Get rid of the epsom and cal-mag, Bad juju lol

I was under the impression that DE contained various trace minerals, cal mag phos fe zinc, but DE is mostly silica.

Maybe I'll see about picking up some gypsum.



Thank you!

 

[Mad Hamish]

Thanks!

I added in bone meal and oyster shell meal and Epsom salts and sulpomag and a bunch of rock dusts and hardwood charcoal to my soil mix when I made it. I added other stuff too obviously...

I'm wondering if maybe my soil isn't as balanced as I thought it was?




I have extra glacial rock dust and DE, think that'll do it?

And how much?




Also I have Epsom salts too and I know there's no cal in there but I remember reading somewhere that cal mag and sulfur and maybe fe too are all closely linked and straying from certain ratios of these elements can throw things out of whack. I think it was cal lockout caused by sulfur def or something like that and it was often misdiagnosed but ironically fixed by adding Epsom salts which have sulfur in them... I dunno maybe I'm rambling...

Other than those little spots and leaves everything looks good to me over here...

I have some cal-mag, calimagic, but its not organic and I'm thinking I'd like to solve this another way if possible.

So maybe topdress with the rockdust and DE? Or mix in water and water them in?

Sorry guys I'm new to organics and like to ask questions and ramble sometimes...

First thing I would do, seeing as this seems like a well prepared soil, is see what effect a simple nutrient cycling tea will have. Even more simple is just top dress with a thick layer of EWC. I have had this a few times that plants show 'deficiency' but then just pull right as they get their micro herd where they want it. I fond EWC and the good old nutrient cycling tea speeds things up here a whole stack. A littlemcalmag in the watwr after top dressing won't hurt, you need verrrrry little though I go for quarter recommended dose and it has always worked just fine.

 

[a senile fungus]

First thing I would do, seeing as this seems like a well prepared soil, is see what effect a simple nutrient cycling tea will have. Even more simple is just top dress with a thick layer of EWC. I have had this a few times that plants show 'deficiency' but then just pull right as they get their micro herd where they want it. I fond EWC and the good old nutrient cycling tea speeds things up here a whole stack. A littlemcalmag in the watwr after top dressing won't hurt, you need verrrrry little though I go for quarter recommended dose and it has always worked just fine.

That's one thing I haven't done, is teas.

I was wondering when the suggestion would be made, and I will look into obtaining more EWC to make some bubbly goodness...

So far I've only top dressed and watered. While the soil was cooking there was a couple days where it dried out and I couldn't get to it to water quickly enough so maybe that affected the microherd more than I thought? Shoot maybe they're all dead in there :'(

 

[Mad Hamish]

That's one thing I haven't done, is teas.

I was wondering when the suggestion would be made, and I will look into obtaining more EWC to make some bubbly goodness...

So far I've only top dressed and watered. While the soil was cooking there was a couple days where it dried out and I couldn't get to it to water quickly enough so maybe that affected the microherd more than I thought? Shoot maybe they're all dead in there :'(

Hahaha no highly unlikely they are all dead. Come to think of it it sounds like you have a coco based soil?... If so, then you are going to have all sorts of lock out unless you make some nutes available that stuff has quite a temper if I can put it like that. In the case of a coco base then your tea will need one cup EWC, two tablespoons blackstrap molasses, one quarter dose calmag per gallon and that should do it. Coco tends to lock out nitrogen and then go ape far as Ph goes too, so around thirty minutes BEFORE hitting pots with the tea, feed a half strength fish hydrolysate solution. If in flower, you need to sprinkle a little Bokashi before this or your bud will taste pretty heavy, fish is great if you remember the bokashi or em1 otherwise it adds poopy taste. Your tea you bubble for 24 to 48 hours, if it foams up add a drop of canola or olive oil to stop it foaming up...

 

[a senile fungus]

Hahaha no highly unlikely they are all dead. Come to think of it it sounds like you have a coco based soil?... If so, then you are going to have all sorts of lock out unless you make some nutes available that stuff has quite a temper if I can put it like that. In the case of a coco base then your tea will need one cup EWC, two tablespoons blackstrap molasses, one quarter dose calmag per gallon and that should do it. Coco tends to lock out nitrogen and then go ape far as Ph goes too, so around thirty minutes BEFORE hitting pots with the tea, feed a half strength fish hydrolysate solution. If in flower, you need to sprinkle a little Bokashi before this or your bud will taste pretty heavy, fish is great if you remember the bokashi or em1 otherwise it adds poopy taste. Your tea you bubble for 24 to 48 hours, if it foams up add a drop of canola or olive oil to stop it foaming up...

Mine is peat based, essentially cootz's mix

Wow that post is incredibly informative. But no mine isn't coco

 

[PSUAGRO.]

Are you sure it was Greengenes? His most recent posts don't seem to use anything as far as a cover crop or mulch. The search engine isn't really turning anything up either. Google results are all over the board and usually just end up pointing me back to buildasoil... I wish they hadn't taken away the discussion results filter.

He has three large threads, could you narrow it down a bit? Lots of good info about lights, but that's not what's needed right at the moment.

You got it brother

https://www.rollitup.org/t/greengenes-garden.839682/page-17

 

[SouthernSoil*]

If you pre soaked then leave it as is, if it was fresh and unpopped then digging it up will be fine, but personally I would just wait fourteen days after germing then transplant with great care. Yup thank gods for AC. I made an outflow for my portable, bastards switch off soon on a humid day. Upgrading to a badass ducted aircon next year

Sweet bro, i didnt presoak but just planted it and soaked the soil on top a bit, guess ill just leave it as is then. While installing the portable ac i hit both other pots on the window sill and lost the beans, not sure if i should replant more though but i doubt there would be enough space for them seeing as the other plants will get pretty massive seeing as they in week one of flower ?

Bro the ac is a winner, cant really go without one especially at this time of the year, how do you temps stay in winter if i may ask bro ? Peace & Respect

 

[st0wandgrow]

First thing I would do, seeing as this seems like a well prepared soil, is see what effect a simple nutrient cycling tea will have. Even more simple is just top dress with a thick layer of EWC. I have had this a few times that plants show 'deficiency' but then just pull right as they get their micro herd where they want it. I fond EWC and the good old nutrient cycling tea speeds things up here a whole stack. A littlemcalmag in the watwr after top dressing won't hurt, you need verrrrry little though I go for quarter recommended dose and it has always worked just fine.

I second this. Deficiencies are hard to pin down. It could be any number of things, including (and very likely) ph. I no longer pretend to be smarter than the plant and the microbes that work in unison with it. Top dress some EWC and let the micro herd figure it out

 

[Midwest Weedist]

I have used this technique you describe to force bean pole structure plants into nice bushes. Did you also notice a nitrogen deficiency in the nodes where the leaf was cut for a week or so? Because I not only noticed that, but picked up that the branches were not all thick and solid like you would expect from auxins and I still had to pinch a bit to get them nice and fat so they could support bud. Made me think it os a great way to slow down any node if you need to but definitely does stress the plant a little so not for iffy types. I wouldn't do it with an OG cross for example. Overall very nifty trick for the gardener that considers a low profile an advantage.

I did actually, I got a bit of a Cal mag deficiency too. I would bet that if I didn't pinch and roll the trunk all the way to the tip almost every so often it wouldn't have been thick at all. But this was before I used super soil, or even all organics. So there's that too

 

[Mad Hamish]

I did actually, I got a bit of a Cal mag deficiency too. I would bet that if I didn't pinch and roll the trunk all the way to the tip almost every so often it wouldn't have been thick at all. But this was before I used super soil, or even all organics. So there's that too

Yes, also got the Mg deficiency or at least something that looks like it but cleared up a lot better. It was in a relatively hot mix I had to mix more mildly recently for the Indies they do tend to be N sensitive and I figured the hybrids will be fine with teas and so far I haven't even fed teas and all is rocking, so I am going on a limb and saying our observations are definitely relative to the technique and not our substrate. Very cool to verify these findings with somebody on the other side of the planet, very cool indeed

 

[Mad Hamish]

Sweet bro, i didnt presoak but just planted it and soaked the soil on top a bit, guess ill just leave it as is then. While installing the portable ac i hit both other pots on the window sill and lost the beans, not sure if i should replant more though but i doubt there would be enough space for them seeing as the other plants will get pretty massive seeing as they in week one of flower ?

Bro the ac is a winner, cant really go without one especially at this time of the year, how do you temps stay in winter if i may ask bro ? Peace & Respect

OK so it runs like this: Jan and Feb is like Armageddon. Your AC is gonna work its ass off brother. March is KILLER good, total equilibrium is easy, set and forget with the portable, cool rhythm, April and May are also very very cool no AC no heating nothing as long as your vents are jacked, June to September you are going to have to look into heating at times, even flowering at night it can get down to like 16 degrees in the flower room. Oct to December you know how it goes. All of this bearing in mind I flower at night, and I use a lung room with my tents inside and I treat the room not the tents.

 

[SouthernSoil*]

OK so it runs like this: Jan and Feb is like Armageddon. Your AC is gonna work its ass off brother. March is KILLER good, total equilibrium is easy, set and forget with the portable, cool rhythm, April and May are also very very cool no AC no heating nothing as long as your vents are jacked, June to September you are going to have to look into heating at times, even flowering at night it can get down to like 16 degrees in the flower room. Oct to December you know how it goes. All of this bearing in mind I flower at night, and I use a lung room with my tents inside and I treat the room not the tents.

Bro armageddon is a good way to describe it, march to may growing indoor along with outdoor, must be lovely ! I can imagine heating would be needed in June, it gets seriously cold. Im also flowering at night now 9pm to 9am, whats your schedule like bro ?

 

[a senile fungus]

What's your water source== tap/well/RO???? ppms/ec play a big role in cal/mag lock or def

I totally missed this post earlier, sorry about that and thank you for your input.

It's store bought drinking water in three gallon jugs. It says micron filtering and ozonation were performed on the water.

So maybe I should try tap water? Which I believe is around 7.7pH and a couple hundred ppms? Or half and half each water source?



@ everyone
I don't have any EWC right now but would composted horse manure work? I could dig into the pile where it's nice and warm...

So maybe topdress with a spoon or two of rock dusts and DE and compost? Then I think I'll give half of the plants the same water I have been and I'll give the other half tap water and see how that goes...

How does that sound? I know a guy who may have EWC for me, but its the holidays and I don't wanna bother him.


Thanks for the help everyone!

 

[foreverflyhi]

Did some one Say companion crops? helps retain moisture, cool little eco system right before your eyes...

 

[ODanksta]

What up guys, I forget about this thread. I decided to try no till out for myself. And let me tell y'all, It was the smartest fucking move I have ever done in my garden..

 

[Mad Hamish]

Bro armageddon is a good way to describe it, march to may growing indoor along with outdoor, must be lovely ! I can imagine heating would be needed in June, it gets seriously cold. Im also flowering at night now 9pm to 9am, whats your schedule like bro ?

an hour sooner than yours, that way I miss that early heat build up. I found once it rises nit much can stop it so it is essential to get temps down before 8 over here. No outdoor for me this year brother, just didn't work out...

 

[SouthernSoil*]

an hour sooner than yours, that way I miss that early heat build up. I found once it rises nit much can stop it so it is essential to get temps down before 8 over here. No outdoor for me this year brother, just didn't work out...

I do indeed get that 8-9pm heat build up, shoots up like a degree or two, hope the ladies will be fine with it cause straight after the lights go off its like a 3-4 degree drop, i also didnt do the outdoor mission this year, hopefully next year brother ! here is the pic of the 3 ladies flowering, im stressed up on space because im scared i dont use it all properly & i really need to try my best to use every little space to maximize yield as much as i can, i vegged those plants all 6-8 weeks so if i leave them free as can be will they stretch their wings and lay on the sides of the tent ? : ) Much respect bro

 

[Mad Hamish]

I do indeed get that 8-9pm heat build up, shoots up like a degree or two, hope the ladies will be fine with it cause straight after the lights go off its like a 3-4 degree drop, i also didnt do the outdoor mission this year, hopefully next year brother ! here is the pic of the 3 ladies flowering, im stressed up on space because im scared i dont use it all properly & i really need to try my best to use every little space to maximize yield as much as i can, i vegged those plants all 6-8 weeks so if i leave them free as can be will they stretch their wings and lay on the sides of the tent ? : ) Much respect bro

I don't want to comment on the size they will reach, odds are each one will be vastly different at the end anyway. This is the reason I clone and keep mothers, so i can work with predictable results. It will take a while to get to know your genetics, but trust me the last thing you want to do is pack your space too tight. You will get more problems not more bud. Between your pots and your lamp is where you Max out on yield, so it is better to look at it relative to lumens and liters of substrate than plant numbers. Yield will become less important soon enough, nothing will top your home grown so that makes up for a lot seeing as your bud will be worth top dollar. So you gain massively as long as you dont need to buy and those days are over for you brother. The 3 degree drop sounds normal, but also sounds like you are not quite venting your lamps heat. Fiddle with your circulation a little, make sure you have up draught to your vent this is not always a given sometimes you get hot air going down to the ladies, thermal dynamics are tricky. Aerodynamics also not for fifth graders. Not a point to stress about too much but a little tweak you can look into. It is totally possible to vemt out all your lamps heat.

 

[SouthernSoil*]

I don't want to comment on the size they will reach, odds are each one will be vastly different at the end anyway. This is the reason I clone and keep mothers, so i can work with predictable results. It will take a while to get to know your genetics, but trust me the last thing you want to do is pack your space too tight. You will get more problems not more bud. Between your pots and your lamp is where you Max out on yield, so it is better to look at it relative to lumens and liters of substrate than plant numbers. Yield will become less important soon enough, nothing will top your home grown so that makes up for a lot seeing as your bud will be worth top dollar. So you gain massively as long as you dont need to buy and those days are over for you brother. The 3 degree drop sounds normal, but also sounds like you are not quite venting your lamps heat. Fiddle with your circulation a little, make sure you have up draught to your vent this is not always a given sometimes you get hot air going down to the ladies, thermal dynamics are tricky. Aerodynamics also not for fifth graders. Not a point to stress about too much but a little tweak you can look into. It is totally possible to vemt out all your lamps heat.

Thank you bro, much appreciated, i see where you coming from, i worked out while growing all these diff strains how much easier it would be with a few clones, as for the space i take it if they not too huge more light can obviously penetrate around the plant ? 600w with about a 15-20 litre pot, what size pots do you run brother ? Bro i can only imagine the taste & high its probably going to be one bong and im done for the day ! haha

Bro i will be honest, my vent is about 30 cm from my window which is dumb but paranoia took the best of me at that time, atleast now if i get questioned about a pipe out my window i can just say its the AC, so what i was thinking of doing is running my grow room vent & AC vent into a T piece then letting the T piece out the window,also why i was asking about yield and size is because ive almost drained all my money once again, just hoping i can get a decent amount to make up for all the $ that went into this. On the other hand thank you once again for your help brother. Respect

 

[SouthernSoil*]

Managed to find those two beans i lost when i dropped the pots lol ! i was gently scratching through the mix and i found them both germinating like 6 inches deep ! I was thinking of putting two smaller pots beside the church but i dont know how well my no till soil will do in about half a gallon ?

Would you think its cool to keep the seedlings in the tent while the lights are on and then on my windowsill when the lights are out during the day ? Already logged in to gage though will commence the searching !