Recycled Organic Living Soil (ROLS) and No Till Thread

[hyroot]

Bokashi does have a low ph below 4.0. But cannabis is an acid loving plant. The microbes in the soil naturally regulate ph.
I just topdress bokashi once every 2 weeks and use lab once every 10 days.. once the mycelium develops i then topdress xonpoat or castings. If bokashi and labs are used too often then the bacteria in them will out compete soil microbes and then you will have ph issues.

I never use lab in worm bins. When I add bokashi, I mix it with egg shells. The low ph of bokashi will invite pot worms. The egg shells raise ph. Plus the bokashi makes the egg shells break down faster and the worms go through the shells faster.

 

[Greenthumbs256]

Bokashi does have a low ph below 4.0. But cannabis is an acid loving plant. The microbes in the soil naturally regulate ph.
I just topdress bokashi once every 2 weeks and use lab once every 10 days.. once the mycelium develops i then topdress xonpoat or castings. If bokashi and labs are used too often then the bacteria in them will out compete soil microbes and then you will have ph issues.

I never use lab in worm bins. When I add bokashi, I mix it with egg shells. The low ph of bokashi will invite pot worms. The egg shells raise ph. Plus the bokashi makes the egg shells break down faster and the worms go through the shells faster.

hyroot would u mind expanding on how u use bokashi as a top dress? I have thought about doing that instead of a mulch just letting a thick layer of mycelium grow across the top of the pot! how well does it work? any more info on this would be appreciated!!!

 

[Greenthumbs256]

another bokashi trick I like to do, I can't say for sure how much it helps or hurts or w.e.

but when I cook my soil I mix in a compost tea about half way into the cook, then I mix the soil very well and cover it with bokashi and let a thick layer grow across it after about 2 weeks I mix it up into my soil and let it cook more!

 

[hyroot]

hyroot would u mind expanding on how u use bokashi as a top dress? I have thought about doing that instead of a mulch just letting a thick layer of mycelium grow across the top of the pot! how well does it work? any more info on this would be appreciated!!!

I just cast out a thin layer. Water it in or spray it. It needs to be wet to produce mycelium. I do cover with a good mulch layer. Being covered helps speed up the mycelium development. Then once the mycelium mat develops beneath the mulch layer I pull back the mulch layer and top dress compost or castings. You need 50/ 50, bokashi / carbon to balance it out.

It works great. It adds bacteria and fungi to soil. Provides food for worms. The grains the bokashi is made with has full spectrum of nutrients (elements and minerals). It speeds up breaking down any organic material. Basically a compost accelerator.

I make my own bokashi. I follow the recipe on the teraganix site. But I use lab instead of em1 and I also add a little himilayan salt, azomite(anti clumping), and photosynthesis plus. The ferment process bioremediates any metals in the azomite.

 

[hyroot]

another bokashi trick I like to do, I can't say for sure how much it helps or hurts or w.e.

but when I cook my soil I mix in a compost tea about half way into the cook, then I mix the soil very well and cover it with bokashi and let a thick layer grow across it after about 2 weeks I mix it up into my soil and let it cook more!

I do the same. It speeds up cooking time.

 

[KasparGrower]

I have one question for you guys: considering growing in NOTILL soil with regular seeds,how do you guys behave when sexing your plants? I mean if I have a single room for both veg and bloom,using 15gal pots,how do I manage not to leave empty spots once I've selected my females? Thanks!

 

[projectinfo]

I have one question for you guys: considering growing in NOTILL soil with regular seeds,how do you guys behave when sexing your plants? I mean if I have a single room for both veg and bloom,using 15gal pots,how do I manage not to leave empty spots once I've selected my females? Thanks!

I wonder the same . I seen pics of hyroot popping a whole pack of seeds in a soma style sip box.

Do you just pull the males and flower the rest in the box?

Id be worried theyd become root bound or nutrient deprived. Or thirsty as fuck.

 

[hillbill]

Don’t think Hyroot worries.......just grows more herb!

 

[KasparGrower]

I wonder the same . I seen pics of hyroot popping a whole pack of seeds in a soma style sip box.

Do you just pull the males and flower the rest in the box?

Id be worried theyd become root bound or nutrient deprived. Or thirsty as fuck.

Yes I would throw the guys away since I'm not breeding. Just considering not to have any problems with hermies from feminized seeds. I was thinking of maybe pop 50% more then the final total number of planta in flowering in smaller pots 15l, but I don't think that repotting in a 15gal pot from a 15l pot would be Ideal for the soil life into the pot (I don't want to hurr any worms in the soil and so on)

 

[hyroot]

I sex them in veg. After day 40 they show sex





My males go into separare 2x4 space to veg. I flower them out in another location. Keep cuts of the ones I like the most. More often than not i don't keep any males. I only keep roughly 1 male out of 20 strains.

 

[KasparGrower]

Without flipping? How do you manage the space before knowing how many females you are gonna get? For example if I have a 4x4 for both veg and flowe and I wanted to have 4 females in flower,how do you behave while vegging? Do you use a smaller pot?

 

[hyroot]

Without flipping? How do you manage the space before knowing how many females you are gonna get? For example if I have a 4x4 for both veg and flowe and I wanted to have 4 females in flower,how do you behave while vegging? Do you use a smaller pot?

I have a 12 x 8 space for flower. A 5x8 space for veg. I start them in party cups then transplant to 24 oz cups. Then transplant to 2 gallons. Then transplant to 3 gallons.

In the flower space, a 4x4 area goes to seeds. The rest goes to clones.

I flower in 20 gallon fabric pots and 30 gallon soma sips. I flower the whole space at the same time. So.when i transplant to final pots. They veg for 2 weeks in the flower space

When i grow seeds. I always pop 10 seeds with the expectation of getting 4 females out of that pack.

When I grow seeds in the same sip. I take cuts of the males and cull then.

This last round. That sip Pro is referring too. I tossed the males. I had 5 females of ninja fruit. 1 purple pheno and 4 green phenos. The green phenos hermied.

Ninja told me the green phenos are prone to hermie. He killed off the parents and started all over. With new seeds of the same parents. I do have a screen shot of it. I told hiim he needs to disclose that info.

Anyway those all got tossed except for the purple pheno. No way I'm keeping a male with hermie traits.

 

[KasparGrower]

I have a 12 x 8 space for flower. A 5x8 space for veg. I start them in party cups then transplant to 24 oz cups. Then transplant to 2 gallons. Then transplant to 3 gallons.

In the flower space, a 4x4 area goes to seeds. The rest goes to clones.

I flower in 20 gallon fabric pots and 30 gallon soma sips. I flower the whole space at the same time. So.when i transplant to final pots. They veg for 2 weeks in the flower space

When i grow seeds. I always pop 10 seeds with the expectation of getting 4 females out of that pack.

When I grow seeds in the same sip. I take cuts of the males and cull then.

This last round. That sip Pro is referring too. I tossed the males. I had 5 females of ninja fruit. 1 purple pheno and 4 green phenos. The green phenos hermied.

Ninja told me the green phenos are prone to hermie. He killed off the parents and started all over. With new seeds of the same parents. I do have a screen shot of it. I told hiim he needs to disclose that info.

Anyway those all got tossed except for the purple pheno. No way I'm keeping a male with hermie traits.

Thanks for the answer!!
One more question: if I wanted to have a SOG made with clones,can I use organic living soil in small pots? Like 15liters pots?
If it is not possible,how do I have to take action?

 

[hyroot]

Thanks for the answer!!
One more question: if I wanted to have a SOG made with clones,can I use organic living soil in small pots? Like 15liters pots?
If it is not possible,how do I have to take action?

That would be better in a 3x3 or 4x4 soil bed or 30 gal or larger totes.

 

[Strudelheim]

That would be better in a 3x3 or 4x4 soil bed or 30 gal or larger totes.

since your pretty active on this forum and thread maybe I can ask you to shed light on this topic a little more, as it sounds like you may have an answer. I flower 16 plants per 1K HPS so each plant gets 1 sq foot in that 16 sq ft area. They each are in 3G pots, (which by the way a #3G nursery pot is actually pretty much 2G in nominal size) is this sufficient for TLO/ROLS soil to give really good results? my roots are never as developed as Soilless in the same size pot, so Im thinking they are far from rootbound so why is bigger an advantage. They take 3 days to dry out. I can post my recipe, but it has good homemade ingredients, and is what I consider very very rich and high quality in organic matter.

 

[hyroot]

since your pretty active on this forum and thread maybe I can ask you to shed light on this topic a little more, as it sounds like you may have an answer. I flower 16 plants per 1K HPS so each plant gets 1 sq foot in that 16 sq ft area. They each are in 3G pots, (which by the way a #3G nursery pot is actually pretty much 2G in nominal size) is this sufficient for TLO/ROLS soil to give really good results? my roots are never as developed as Soilless in the same size pot, so Im thinking they are far from rootbound so why is bigger an advantage. They take 3 days to dry out. I can post my recipe, but it has good homemade ingredients, and is what I consider very very rich and high quality in organic matter.

It can work with the tlo method. With tlo you layer amendments and use spikes.

With rols no till it won't work. You would be better off with a 4x4 fabric bed. You need larger root balls and more soil to get good yields with rols no till.


If you use mycorrhizae, malted barley, or seed sprout tea's, labs / em1, and quality worm castings. Your pots should get root bound pretty quick. My 2 gals would be root bound in less than 30 days of veg.

 

[KasparGrower]

What about if someone decided to start a perpetual grow wit organic living soil? How do someone have to work with the two rooms in terms of transplanting,pot size and so on?

 

[Strudelheim]

What about if someone decided to start a perpetual grow wit organic living soil? How do someone have to work with the two rooms in terms of transplanting,pot size and so on?

I mean you can still do organic living soil without No-till. You just want big pots. I think a 3G will be fine for a smaller plant that has a couple of tops that has 1 sq ft of bloom area, and produces 1-2 zips. Thats what I was askin hyroot just now. I have 2 rooms running perpetual and switched to organic soil over the last year.

 

[hyroot]

What about if someone decided to start a perpetual grow wit organic living soil? How do someone have to work with the two rooms in terms of transplanting,pot size and so on?

I have a 12 x 8 space for flower. A 5x8 space for veg. I start them in party cups then transplant to 24 oz cups. Then transplant to 2 gallons. Then transplant to 3 gallons.

In the flower space, a 4x4 area goes to seeds. The rest goes to clones.

I flower in 20 gallon fabric pots and 30 gallon soma sips. I flower the whole space at the same time. So.when i transplant to final pots. They veg for 2 weeks in the flower space

When i grow seeds. I always pop 10 seeds with the expectation of getting 4 females out of that pack.

When I grow seeds in the same sip. I take cuts of the males and cull then.

 

[Strudelheim]

It can work with the tlo method. With tlo you layer amendments and use spikes.

With rols no till it won't work. You would be better off with a 4x4 fabric bed. You need larger root balls and more soil to get good yields with rols no till.


If you use mycorrhizae, malted barley, or seed sprout tea's, labs / em1, and quality worm castings. Your pots should get root bound pretty quick. My 2 gals would be root bound in less than 30 days of veg.

I have added mycos, sst's - check, em1 I havent gotten into trying to kiss for now, and I do my own EWC/COMPOST so check there - they don't get rootbound just yet, I do SOG and don't grow trees. maybe its time for me to make a diary on here to show.