Recycled Organic Living Soil (ROLS) and No Till Thread

[bobrown14]

Prolly hard to find I'm betting.

Now wondering if traditional inputs to compost bin with pesticide residue wood be considered organic after the composting is finished??

We only use organic inputs from our own property/gardens/woods for out compost.

 

[hillbill]

ROLS is what I do but am not a purest either, like some fly fishers.

 

[GreenestBasterd]

Fallen seeds from last season, germinated with night temps as low as -2c/-4c but warmish days.
The wonders of backyard breeding.

 

[Jcue81]

Hoping someone can give me a hand.
I’m mixing up my first ROLS Coot mix into a 50 gallon fabric rectangular bed. I have three seedlings which just popped the surface and I plan to veg for 3-4 weeks before transplanting into my no till bed. I bought a cover crop seed mix. Should I plant that right away or just water the mix a bit let it sit until I’m ready to transplant, then do plant the cover crop?

What’s my best bet, everyone?

 

[GreenestBasterd]

I’d sprout the cover crop now. If it gets out of hand trim it back.

 

[Kind Sir]

Hoping someone can give me a hand.
I’m mixing up my first ROLS Coot mix into a 50 gallon fabric rectangular bed. I have three seedlings which just popped the surface and I plan to veg for 3-4 weeks before transplanting into my no till bed. I bought a cover crop seed mix. Should I plant that right away or just water the mix a bit let it sit until I’m ready to transplant, then do plant the cover crop?

What’s my best bet, everyone?

I hear that any empty bed really does well with cover crops. Plant it

 

[bobrown14]

Cover crop then plant seedling. Whatever grows in the cover crop just pull out some cover make room for the seedling. Whatever you pull just lay in down on the soil. It will quickly decomp over several days and your seedlings will out compete the cover crop.

 

[green_machine_two9er]

Hoping someone can give me a hand.
I’m mixing up my first ROLS Coot mix into a 50 gallon fabric rectangular bed. I have three seedlings which just popped the surface and I plan to veg for 3-4 weeks before transplanting into my no till bed. I bought a cover crop seed mix. Should I plant that right away or just water the mix a bit let it sit until I’m ready to transplant, then do plant the cover crop?

What’s my best bet, everyone?

Hey. Can you not transplant sooner into bed?? Why not get seedlings in there and veg in their final home? Your gunna end up with giant plants, potentially to big for a 50 g container. Maybe do 2 instead of three?? Or cut clones off your favorite lady and go for a clones run to keep things more manageable

Either way your original question. Honestly either way will work. But 4 weeks of covers growing can be quite out of control. Maybe just do clover for now?

 

[Jcue81]

Thanks for the suggestions everyone! All three seedlings are up and I’m just about done getting my bed filled with my coots mix.

First indoor run is for my dad! Acapulco Gold and Critical Cure from Barney’s Farm and a Panama Red x Bubba Kush from CSI Humboldt.

 

[hillbill]

Miscalculation on mix I had led me to up pot into 2 week old mix. However, 18 of 30 gallons is recycled so things should be fine. Apparent female Sun Ra should be fine.

 

[Bueno Time]

Anyone here using or ever tried a soil horizons setup in your big pots or beds? (Leighton Morrison style)

Im going to be trying a 30 gallon no till pot with O, A, and E horizons @ 4:2:1 depth ratio. The pot is 16" deep so I will use 2" layer of gravel in the bottom with coarse sand on top, 4" layer of wildcrafted sand silt clay mix with 20% soil mix mixed in, and 8-10" top layer being the soil mix (plus mulch, top dress, cover crop).

'Optimal' percentages of sand, silt, and clay in the "SSC" mix would be 62.5% sand, 16.25% silt, 21.25% clay which would be about 50% sand, 13%silt, 17% clay, and 20% organic material/soil after adding the 20% O layer material into the SSC mix for the A layer material.

Might sound kind of complex but its not. Its just 3 layers in your pot or bed. 1 part bottom layer sand and gravel, 2 parts middle layer of sand silt clay and soil, and top layer of 4 parts organic soil mix.

 

[copkilller]

Anyone here using or ever tried a soil horizons setup in your big pots or beds? (Leighton Morrison style)

Im going to be trying a 30 gallon no till pot with O, A, and E horizons @ 4:2:1 depth ratio. The pot is 16" deep so I will use 2" layer of gravel in the bottom with coarse sand on top, 4" layer of wildcrafted sand silt clay mix with 20% soil mix mixed in, and 8-10" top layer being the soil mix (plus mulch, top dress, cover crop).

'Optimal' percentages of sand, silt, and clay in the "SSC" mix would be 62.5% sand, 16.25% silt, 21.25% clay which would be about 50% sand, 13%silt, 17% clay, and 20% organic material/soil after adding the 20% O layer material into the SSC mix for the A layer material.

Might sound kind of complex but its not. Its just 3 layers in your pot or bed. 1 part bottom layer sand and gravel, 2 parts middle layer of sand silt clay and soil, and top layer of 4 parts organic soil mix.

Yes! awesome man, i did the E horizon only, in two outta four of my new 65gal living soil pots, leighton told me i could drive to oxnard area and pick up the sand silt and clay mix for the second horizon, but i couldn't make it there

so i have a layer of home depot gravel and decomposed granite on the bottom of two pots, and buildasoil oly mountain compost supersoil on top and cover crop growing, and clones rooting, ill post the results/comparison after the first run

 

[farangar]

Anyone here using or ever tried a soil horizons setup in your big pots or beds? (Leighton Morrison style)

Im going to be trying a 30 gallon no till pot with O, A, and E horizons @ 4:2:1 depth ratio. The pot is 16" deep so I will use 2" layer of gravel in the bottom with coarse sand on top, 4" layer of wildcrafted sand silt clay mix with 20% soil mix mixed in, and 8-10" top layer being the soil mix (plus mulch, top dress, cover crop).

'Optimal' percentages of sand, silt, and clay in the "SSC" mix would be 62.5% sand, 16.25% silt, 21.25% clay which would be about 50% sand, 13%silt, 17% clay, and 20% organic material/soil after adding the 20% O layer material into the SSC mix for the A layer material.

Might sound kind of complex but its not. Its just 3 layers in your pot or bed. 1 part bottom layer sand and gravel, 2 parts middle layer of sand silt clay and soil, and top layer of 4 parts organic soil mix.

let us know how it all works out, sounds interesting.

 

[Bueno Time]

Yes! awesome man, i did the E horizon only, in two outta four of my new 65gal living soil pots, leighton told me i could drive to oxnard area and pick up the sand silt and clay mix for the second horizon, but i couldn't make it there

so i have a layer of home depot gravel and decomposed granite on the bottom of two pots, and buildasoil oly mountain compost supersoil on top and cover crop growing, and clones rooting, ill post the results/comparison after the first run

Nice, I was just going to do a gravel layer in the bottom of the pot for drainage and somehow stumbled across some youtube videos with Leighton on soil horizons and had to try it out now with his 3 layer system. Im going to be using fresh BAS 3.0 as the O layer and either BAS 3.0 or some recycled soil I have here into the SSC mix for the 20% of the A layer. Already have all the materials just need to assemble it, very soon here.

let us know how it all works out, sounds interesting.

Will do.

 

[cherrybobeddie]

Prolly hard to find I'm betting.

Now wondering if traditional inputs to compost bin with pesticide residue wood be considered organic after the composting is finished??

We only use organic inputs from our own property/gardens/woods for out compost.

I use chicken wire "bins". More aeration. Cheaper. Rain soaked, rotten balls of alfalfa hay.

 

[copkilller]

Already have all the materials just need to assemble it, very soon here.

where did you find the sand silt and clay? i called a bunch of soil places here is los angeles nobody has it, no clay no silt

 

[bobrown14]

I add a 3 inch layer of stone (large size perlite) in the btm of my pots cover it with Coots mix = good.

Why adding sand its got nothing to add to your soil?? It will reduce your overall CEC which to me is not useful so why add it in?

 

[copkilller]

Why adding sand its got nothing to add to your soil?? It will reduce your overall CEC which to me is not useful so why add it in?

i also don't fully understand, something about the E horizon (bottom layer) being a filter, something about fines

 

[bajasti]

I use Coots mix let it sit a week with bokashi on top. Ready to go once the fruiting mycelium die back.

Could you explain why you do this? I'm curious as to whats happening and why we wait. I have a new mix in a 30 gal bed running coots style and also top dressed with bokashi. After 3 days I started seeing mycelium. How long should I wait from here to start transplanting my babes? Thanks for any help.

Baja

 

[Hollatchaboy]

Could you explain why you do this? I'm curious as to whats happening and why we wait. I have a new mix in a 30 gal bed running coots style and also top dressed with bokashi. After 3 days I started seeing mycelium. How long should I wait from here to start transplanting my babes? Thanks for any help.

Baja

As soon as the mycelium dies out.