Religious people are less intelligent than atheists!

Y0da

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When your life is shit and you can see no logical way to resolve your problems, what harm is there in having a little faith?
Or do you say "Oh well! Science says faith is a misplaced hope, and I don't want to appear foolish to my 'intelligent peers' "
Modern religion is a control mechanism. Was it Karl Marx who said religion is the opiate of the masses?
Everywhere you look, every system of every kind has been designed, constructed and enforced by the few, for the few.

My father was an Old Roman Catholic, daily latin mass, Office of the day. He also had a first class grammar school education, a double degree in French and Russian, spoke 24 languages and was head of his section at the British Library, so I refute the intelligence theory entirely.
He is not the only well educated, highly intelligent believer by far, catholic or otherwise.
It suits the 'scientific' community to encourage secularity, it's how they earn a living.
It suits the Politicians to encourage them because religion unites people and makes them unruly.
And any idiot knows that statistics can be manipulated to read virtually any way the author wants them to.

At the end, I'm not sure that it matters what you have faith in, as long as you have faith in something that offers hope.
If God does exist, He will be the ultimate judge. If he doesn't, then you have lost nothing by believing. You don't have to be a radical fanatic, if you are then it's a personal choice.
 

Padawanbater2

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At the end, I'm not sure that it matters what you have faith in, as long as you have faith in something that offers hope.
If God does exist, He will be the ultimate judge. If he doesn't, then you have lost nothing by believing. You don't have to be a radical fanatic, if you are then it's a personal choice.
How can you say you've lost nothing by believing if there is no god?
 

bigbillyrocka

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Now you see why the KKK are all a bunch of ignorant twats praying to jesus as if it were he who says condemn all races besides white. Stupid ass bastards, proof is in the proverbial pudding....
 

thepenofareadywriter

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It took a review of 63 scientific studies to figure that out? :o
...hey its biblical fact.....1Co 1:26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:
1Co 1:27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;
 

Beefbisquit

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How can you say you've lost nothing by believing if there is no god?
I hate this argument. lol

As if devoting time, money, and effort to something that doesn't exist isn't a complete waste.

As if perpetuating hateful ideas and ideologies isn't harmful to people.

As if condoning the blind following of something that cannot be proven doesn't instill dangerous ways of thinking.


I chuckle when I hear believers say "There's no harm in believing".....

BULLSHIT.
 

Beefbisquit

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...hey its biblical fact.....1Co 1:26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:
1Co 1:27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;

Anyone who doesn't believe in god, is either stupid or incompetent... or is that whoever can't see the Emperor's new clothes is either stupid or incompetent.... I can't remember.
 

Y0da

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I hate this argument. lol

As if devoting time, money, and effort to something that doesn't exist isn't a complete waste.

As if perpetuating hateful ideas and ideologies isn't harmful to people.

As if condoning the blind following of something that cannot be proven doesn't instill dangerous ways of thinking.


I chuckle when I hear believers say "There's no harm in believing".....

BULLSHIT.
Compared to the promise of heaven or hell?

Its not the idea that is hateful, its people using it to pick a fight that are full of hate

So the Vatican was right to condemn Galileo then?
 

Beefbisquit

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Compared to the promise of heaven or hell?

Its not the idea that is hateful, its people using it to pick a fight that are full of hate

So the Vatican was right to condemn Galileo then?
What the fuck does Galileo have to do with anything? Non sequitur much?

But no, I don't condone what the Vatican did to Galileo.
 

Y0da

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I'll have to concede the point on Galileo, I was pretty wrecked at the time and can't remember the argument I'd consructed when I wrote it.
Still, I do think that not having faith is a bit like not beig able to see a colour, just one, so that one is always missing the full picture that the human mind is capable of concieving.
And after all is said and done, it's a personal choice and although it is the aim of all despots to eradicate different opinions to their own, what a boring world it would be.
I rather like what Sam Harris says in your signature too, very apt :)
 

tyler.durden

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I'll have to concede the point on Galileo, I was pretty wrecked at the time and can't remember the argument I'd consructed when I wrote it.
Still, I do think that not having faith is a bit like not beig able to see a colour, just one, so that one is always missing the full picture that the human mind is capable of concieving.
Speaking as one who had possessed religious faith and has given it up, I can tell you that losing faith has allowed me to see hundreds of new colors that were hidden from me. Faith short circuited my full curiosity and critical thinking skills, which allowed me to see the wonder of nature and the cosmos on a level unknown previously. Here's a great, short video that says demonstrates this so well -

[video=youtube;r6w2M50_Xdk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=r6w2M50_Xdk[/video]


And after all is said and done, it's a personal choice and although it is the aim of all despots to eradicate different opinions to their own, what a boring world it would be.
I rather like what Sam Harris says in your signature too, very apt :)
Education is the key to truly make an informed choice. It seems the more education one receives, the less likely they are to choose faith. IMO it is boring to hear the same dogma for the last few thousand years, and the more religion declines, the faster progress happens, and that should bring plenty of excitement for all...
 

Padawanbater2

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I'll have to concede the point on Galileo, I was pretty wrecked at the time and can't remember the argument I'd consructed when I wrote it.
Still, I do think that not having faith is a bit like not beig able to see a colour, just one, so that one is always missing the full picture that the human mind is capable of concieving.
And after all is said and done, it's a personal choice and although it is the aim of all despots to eradicate different opinions to their own, what a boring world it would be.
I rather like what Sam Harris says in your signature too, very apt :)
How is it a choice?
 

karousing

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what do you know past what you have seen and done? have you gone into orbit, viewed earth as a sphere? no you have viewed it as a circle either way. unless you are a 4th dimensional being.
 

Beefbisquit

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I'll have to concede the point on Galileo, I was pretty wrecked at the time and can't remember the argument I'd consructed when I wrote it.
Still, I do think that not having faith is a bit like not beig able to see a colour, just one, so that one is always missing the full picture that the human mind is capable of concieving.
And after all is said and done, it's a personal choice and although it is the aim of all despots to eradicate different opinions to their own, what a boring world it would be.
I rather like what Sam Harris says in your signature too, very apt :)
If by not being able to see in a certain color you mean, not being able to see an untestable, invisible, color, I would agree. :D
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
"After physicists slam into a problem for a few decades, they tend to go into greener pastures. Alpha calculating has been out of fashion for a while. Physics is making progress without it. But it is comforting to know that if you're at a party, and some know-it-all is talking about how great the progress of science is, you can always say, 'That’s true, my man. But why is alpha equal to one hundred thirty-seven?'"

http://www.1377731.com/137/
Those two are hyperfine. Wanna split'em?
 

chewberto

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Fuck you bro! God is Jesus Christ almighty king

its the church that distorts the truth... I'm not dum
 

Padawanbater2

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Fuck you bro! God is Jesus Christ almighty king

its the church that distorts the truth... I'm not dum
Regardless of any church, every organized religion is contradictory, hypocritical and illogical

Jesus Christ may once have existed as a person, but he wasn't a god
 
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