Republicans will defend their Caesar but new revelations show Trump’s true threat

Herb & Suds

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IT"S A CULT!

On Friday, Donald Trump received two more unwelcome reminders he is no longer president. Much as he and his minions chant “Lock her up” about Hillary Clinton and other enemies, it is he who remains in legal jeopardy and political limbo.
Related: IRS must turn over Trump tax returns to Congress, DoJ says
Trump’s allies on Capitol Hill will again be forced to defend the indefensible. That won’t be a bother: QAnon is their creed, Trump is their Caesar and Gladiator remains the movie for our time.
But in other ways, the world has changed. The justice department is no longer an extension of Trump’s West Wing. The levers of government are no longer at his disposal.

Next year, much as Trump helped deliver both Georgia Senate seats to the Democrats in January, on the eve of the insurrection, his antics may cost Republicans their chance to retake the Senate.
Documents that would probably not have seen the light of day had Trump succeeded in overturning the election are now open to scrutiny, be they contemporaneous accounts of his conversations about that dishonest aim or his tax returns.
Those who claim that the events of 6 January were something other than a failed coup attempt would do well to come up with a better line. Or a different alternate reality.
Prospective witnesses before the House select committee on the events of 6 January ought to start worrying
Ashli Babbitt is no martyr. Trump will not be restored to the presidency, no matter what the MyPillow guy says. Trump’s machinations and protestations convey the desperation that comes with hovering over the abyss. He knows what he has said and done.
First, on Friday morning, news broke that the justice department had provided Congress with copies of notes of a damning 27 December 2020 conversation between Trump, Jeffrey Rosen, then acting attorney general, and Richard Donoghue, Rosen’s deputy.
As first reported by the New York Times, the powers at Main Justice told Trump there was no evidence of widescale electoral fraud in his clear defeat by Joe Biden.
He replied: “Just say that the election was corrupt [and] leave the rest to me.”
That goes beyond simply looking to bend the truth. As George Conway, a well-connected, prominent anti-Trump Republican, tweeted: “It’s difficult to overstate how much this reeks of criminal intent on the part of the former guy.”
One White House veteran who served under the presidents Bush told the Guardian: “‘Leave the rest to me’ sure sounds like foreknowledge.”
Just “connect the dots and the dates”, the former aide said.
The insurrection came 10 days later. As the former Trump campaign chair and White House strategist Steve Bannon framed it on 5 January: “All hell is going to break loose.”
Truer words were never spoken.
Unfortunately for Trump, Friday’s news cycle didn’t end with the events of 27 December. A few hours later, the DoJ’s Office of Legal Counsel (OLC), its policy-setting arm, once led by Bill Barr, Trump’s second attorney general, opined that Trump’s tax returns could no longer be kept from the House ways and means committee.
Ever since Watergate, presidents and presidential candidates have released their tax returns as a matter of standard operating procedure. Trump’s refusal to do so was one more shattered norm – and a harbinger of what followed.
The OLC concluded that the committee’s demand for those records comported with the pertinent statute. Beyond that, it observed that the request would further the panel’s “principal stated objective of assessing the IRS’s presidential audit program – a plainly legitimate area for congressional inquiry”.
Here, the DoJ was doing nothing short of echoing the supreme court. A little over a year ago, the court rejected Trump’s contention that the Manhattan district attorney could not scrutinize his tax returns and, in a separate case, held that Congress could also examine his taxes.
In the latter case, in a 7-2 decision, the court eviscerated the president’s argument that Congress had no right to review his tax returns and financial records. Writing for the majority, John Roberts, the chief justice, observed: “When Congress seeks information ‘needed for intelligent legislative action’, it ‘unquestionably’ remains ‘the duty of all citizens to cooperate’.”
At that point, Trump had made two appointments to the high court. Both joined in the outcome. So much for feeling beholden.
Prospective witnesses before the House select committee on the events of 6 January ought to start worrying. House minority leader Kevin McCarthy, Congressman Jim Jordan: this means you. By your own admissions, you spoke with Trump that day.
It was one thing for Merrick Garland’s justice department to continue the government defense of Trump in E Jean Carroll’s defamation lawsuit. It’s a whole other thing to expect Biden’s attorney general to play blocking back for Trump. It is highly unlikely here.
The justice department does not appear ready to come to the aid of those who sought to overturn the election. Already, it has refused to defend Mo Brooks, the Alabama congressman who wore a Kevlar vest to a 6 January pre-riot rally.
Related: ‘Just say the election was corrupt,’ Trump urged DoJ after loss to Biden
On top of that, the Democrats control Congress and Liz Cheney, dissident Republican of Wyoming and member of the 6 January committee, hates Jordan. It is personal.
“That fucking guy Jim Jordan. That son of a bitch,” Cheney told the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, Gen Mark Milley, about Jordan, according to Carol Leonnig and Philip Rucker of the Washington Post.
Adam Kinzinger, an Illinois Republican who like Cheney voted to impeach Trump over 6 January and has joined the select committee, may also be in the mood to deliver a lesson. Congressional Democrats may want to see Jordan and McCarthy sweat. The House GOP got the committee it asked for when it withdrew co-operation. It faces unwelcome consequences.
As for Trump, he may well continue to harbour presidential aspirations and dreams of revenge. But as Ringo Starr sang, “It don’t come easy.” Indeed, after Friday’s twin blows, things likely became much more difficult.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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I'm amused by Trump's temporary power over the GOP, but the damage has been done and the worst of the base is running the party along with a bunch of con artists trying to ride herd. Sure the elected republicans are sucking Trump's arse, for now, but as his day of doom approaches and he becomes increasingly preoccupied with saving his own ass, they will grow bolder trying to grab the brass ring of power. However there is a mid term election, Trump ain't on the ballot, but his trial and freaking out might happen later this summer or fall. Donald will go nuts when he's facing the rest of his life in a NY maximum security prison, he will use up and finish off the republican party in the process of trying to squirm out. Before he goes to prison, he'll have every elected republican he can get leading his base in a charge up the NY courthouse steps, good luck with that!

When Donald goes down he will divide the republicans even more, until the cell door slams behind him, then you won't hear much after that from Donald! Then the fight for power in the GOP will be on and it should be quite the shit show, a real back stabbing fest. Between Trump's troubles, division and bullshit and the GOPs piss poor covid performance on masks and vaccines, I figure the democrats have a reasonable change of keeping the house and increasing the senate by a few seats. It's a fight to the death now though and if either side wins enough of an advantage they will exterminate the other with laws. The republicans are teetering on the brink now and in a minority position, laws for fair elections and to control disinformation would finish them off.
 

Herb & Suds

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I'm amused by Trump's temporary power over the GOP, but the damage has been done and the worst of the base is running the party along with a bunch of con artists trying to ride herd. Sure the elected republicans are sucking Trump's arse, for now, but as his day of doom approaches and he becomes increasingly preoccupied with saving his own ass, they will grow bolder trying to grab the brass ring of power. However there is a mid term election, Trump ain't on the ballot, but his trial and freaking out might happen later this summer or fall. Donald will go nuts when he's facing the rest of his life in a NY maximum security prison, he will use up and finish off the republican party in the process of trying to squirm out. Before he goes to prison, he'll have every elected republican he can get leading his base in a charge up the NY courthouse steps, good luck with that!

When Donald goes down he will divide the republicans even more, until the cell door slams behind him, then you won't hear much after that from Donald! Then the fight for power in the GOP will be on and it should be quite the shit show, a real back stabbing fest. Between Trump's troubles, division and bullshit and the GOPs piss poor covid performance on masks and vaccines, I figure the democrats have a reasonable change of keeping the house and increasing the senate by a few seats. It's a fight to the death now though and if either side wins enough of an advantage they will exterminate the other with laws. The republicans are teetering on the brink now and in a minority position, laws for fair elections and to control disinformation would finish them off.
From your keyboard to gods ears

I will actually pray for that
 

schuylaar

Well-Known Member
IT"S A CULT!

On Friday, Donald Trump received two more unwelcome reminders he is no longer president. Much as he and his minions chant “Lock her up” about Hillary Clinton and other enemies, it is he who remains in legal jeopardy and political limbo.
Related: IRS must turn over Trump tax returns to Congress, DoJ says
Trump’s allies on Capitol Hill will again be forced to defend the indefensible. That won’t be a bother: QAnon is their creed, Trump is their Caesar and Gladiator remains the movie for our time.
But in other ways, the world has changed. The justice department is no longer an extension of Trump’s West Wing. The levers of government are no longer at his disposal.

Next year, much as Trump helped deliver both Georgia Senate seats to the Democrats in January, on the eve of the insurrection, his antics may cost Republicans their chance to retake the Senate.
Documents that would probably not have seen the light of day had Trump succeeded in overturning the election are now open to scrutiny, be they contemporaneous accounts of his conversations about that dishonest aim or his tax returns.
Those who claim that the events of 6 January were something other than a failed coup attempt would do well to come up with a better line. Or a different alternate reality.

Ashli Babbitt is no martyr. Trump will not be restored to the presidency, no matter what the MyPillow guy says. Trump’s machinations and protestations convey the desperation that comes with hovering over the abyss. He knows what he has said and done.
First, on Friday morning, news broke that the justice department had provided Congress with copies of notes of a damning 27 December 2020 conversation between Trump, Jeffrey Rosen, then acting attorney general, and Richard Donoghue, Rosen’s deputy.
As first reported by the New York Times, the powers at Main Justice told Trump there was no evidence of widescale electoral fraud in his clear defeat by Joe Biden.
He replied: “Just say that the election was corrupt [and] leave the rest to me.”
That goes beyond simply looking to bend the truth. As George Conway, a well-connected, prominent anti-Trump Republican, tweeted: “It’s difficult to overstate how much this reeks of criminal intent on the part of the former guy.”
One White House veteran who served under the presidents Bush told the Guardian: “‘Leave the rest to me’ sure sounds like foreknowledge.”
Just “connect the dots and the dates”, the former aide said.
The insurrection came 10 days later. As the former Trump campaign chair and White House strategist Steve Bannon framed it on 5 January: “All hell is going to break loose.”
Truer words were never spoken.
Unfortunately for Trump, Friday’s news cycle didn’t end with the events of 27 December. A few hours later, the DoJ’s Office of Legal Counsel (OLC), its policy-setting arm, once led by Bill Barr, Trump’s second attorney general, opined that Trump’s tax returns could no longer be kept from the House ways and means committee.
Ever since Watergate, presidents and presidential candidates have released their tax returns as a matter of standard operating procedure. Trump’s refusal to do so was one more shattered norm – and a harbinger of what followed.
The OLC concluded that the committee’s demand for those records comported with the pertinent statute. Beyond that, it observed that the request would further the panel’s “principal stated objective of assessing the IRS’s presidential audit program – a plainly legitimate area for congressional inquiry”.
Here, the DoJ was doing nothing short of echoing the supreme court. A little over a year ago, the court rejected Trump’s contention that the Manhattan district attorney could not scrutinize his tax returns and, in a separate case, held that Congress could also examine his taxes.
In the latter case, in a 7-2 decision, the court eviscerated the president’s argument that Congress had no right to review his tax returns and financial records. Writing for the majority, John Roberts, the chief justice, observed: “When Congress seeks information ‘needed for intelligent legislative action’, it ‘unquestionably’ remains ‘the duty of all citizens to cooperate’.”
At that point, Trump had made two appointments to the high court. Both joined in the outcome. So much for feeling beholden.
Prospective witnesses before the House select committee on the events of 6 January ought to start worrying. House minority leader Kevin McCarthy, Congressman Jim Jordan: this means you. By your own admissions, you spoke with Trump that day.
It was one thing for Merrick Garland’s justice department to continue the government defense of Trump in E Jean Carroll’s defamation lawsuit. It’s a whole other thing to expect Biden’s attorney general to play blocking back for Trump. It is highly unlikely here.
The justice department does not appear ready to come to the aid of those who sought to overturn the election. Already, it has refused to defend Mo Brooks, the Alabama congressman who wore a Kevlar vest to a 6 January pre-riot rally.
Related: ‘Just say the election was corrupt,’ Trump urged DoJ after loss to Biden
On top of that, the Democrats control Congress and Liz Cheney, dissident Republican of Wyoming and member of the 6 January committee, hates Jordan. It is personal.
“That fucking guy Jim Jordan. That son of a bitch,” Cheney told the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, Gen Mark Milley, about Jordan, according to Carol Leonnig and Philip Rucker of the Washington Post.
Adam Kinzinger, an Illinois Republican who like Cheney voted to impeach Trump over 6 January and has joined the select committee, may also be in the mood to deliver a lesson. Congressional Democrats may want to see Jordan and McCarthy sweat. The House GOP got the committee it asked for when it withdrew co-operation. It faces unwelcome consequences.
As for Trump, he may well continue to harbour presidential aspirations and dreams of revenge. But as Ringo Starr sang, “It don’t come easy.” Indeed, after Friday’s twin blows, things likely became much more difficult.
'just say it's corrupt and i'll take care of the rest with R congressman'.
 
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rkymtnman

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wtf do the aholes talk about all weekend when they are hanging out plotting trump's return.

i could understand if they are all playing golf, drinking scotch smoking cigars etc but it's one big circle jerk about trump
 

schuylaar

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wtf do the aholes talk about all weekend when they are hanging out plotting trump's return.

i could understand if they are all playing golf, drinking scotch smoking cigars etc but it's one big circle jerk about trump
he must be removed in some way- and quick..it's one of the most dangerous things that he has said to date..making it seem like he's still president with a cabinet? i know Meadows was taking about 'ticket'; so Trump has chosen his cabinet members already assuming 2024? or is he gaslighting pretending he's president with cabinet members to meet with?

the fact that it's August and some jurisdiction somewhere can't shup him with lockup? what are they waiting for? they had YEARS to prepare.

in the meantime Americans must suffer this metal illness front and center- we can't escape it.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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wtf do the aholes talk about all weekend when they are hanging out plotting trump's return.

i could understand if they are all playing golf, drinking scotch smoking cigars etc but it's one big circle jerk about trump
They are trying to humor King Kong until the hammer falls, it's really a death watch, with the one dying in denial. Donald's day in court is coming as sure as the sun will rise, but unlike the sun, Donald's doom has no prefixed date and time. Nobody is planning and coordinating anything, the chips will fall where and when they may. We know that Donald committed a ton of crime and that there is a ton of evidence, we also know Donald has many enemies, who will make sure justice is done. All these assholes who suck Trump's ass know this stuff, most are lawyers FFS, but if Trump's hardcore base stays home or primaries them they are fucked. Margins are pretty thin for them in many places and they are in a minority in general, losing 10% of their voters would knock them out of power federally, even with cheating and gerrymandering.

Covid has cost not just Trump support, but the republicans as well, especially now and particularly among senior citizens, who were most affected and who have a 90% vax rate. Many old farts like Uncle Joe's steady hand and they are a key republican voting block. You must keep the republicans out of power though or it will be a disaster and perhaps a civil war, these fuckers are nuts.
 

rkymtnman

Well-Known Member
he must be removed in some way- and quick..it's one of the most dangerous things that he has said to date..making it seem like he's still president with a cabinet? i know Meadows was taking about 'ticket'; so Trump has chosen his cabinet members already assuming 2024? or is he gaslighting pretending he's president with cabinet members to meet with?

the fact that it's August and some jurisdiction somewhere can't shup him with lockup? what are they waiting for? they had YEARS to prepare.

in the meantime Americans must suffer this metal illness front and center- we can't escape it.
i think on the outside they are keeping the con alive: trump's really potus, it's a shadow gov't now, etc.

in reality, i think they are all asking "so what and how much do you think they know? and who is gonna be the scapegoat and has anybody flipped yet" etc.
 

hanimmal

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A bizarre security breach of a rural Colorado county’s voting system has in a matter of days escalated into a criminal probe of the clerk’s office, a ban on the county’s existing election equipment, and heightened partisan divides over election-fraud claims.

Footage that showed passwords related to the county’s voting systems was surreptitiously recorded during a May security update and published last week on a far-right blog, Colorado Secretary of State Jena Griswold (D) said Thursday. Griswold determined Mesa County cannot use its existing equipment for its November election.

Griswold alleged Mesa County Clerk Tina M. Peters (R) allowed the breach. A spokesperson for Mesa County confirmed a criminal probe headed by the 21st Judicial District Attorney’s Office was underway but said it was still in the early stages.

During a Thursday news conference, Griswold said Peters falsely passed off a man as a county employee and misled her office about his background check status. Days before the breach, she said Peters directed her staff to turn off the video surveillance of the voting machines, which she said has remained off until just recently.

“To be very clear; Mesa County Clerk and Recorder allowed a security breach and — by all evidence at this point — assisted it,” Griswold told reporters Thursday.

Russell J. Ramsland Jr. sold everything from Tex-Mex food to light-therapy technology. Then he sold the story that the 2020 election was stolen from Trump.

Peters did not respond to The Washington Post’s request for comment Thursday but released a statement earlier this week saying her constituents had voiced concerns about election integrity: “I have told them I will do everything in my power to protect their vote.”

Peters has spent the past several days in South Dakota at the “Cyber Symposium” held by MyPillow CEO Mike Lindell, one of the most ardent allegers of election fraud. (Lindell is being sued for defamation by Dominion Voting Systems, the company that manufactures Mesa County’s equipment.) In a keynote speech at the event Tuesday, Peters said Griswold’s investigation of her office was politically motivated.

“We would be a big jewel in our governor and our secretary of state’s crown to take over my office and control the way you vote,” Peters said, according to a recording of her speech.

The situation in Mesa County is the latest instance of how debunked claims of fraud in the 2020 election continue to ripple through the country, down to the level of local politics.

Griswold on Thursday said her office’s investigation — separate from the criminal probe recently announced by Mesa County District Attorney Daniel Rubinstein — was about integrity, not politics.

“I think it is extremely concerning that an elected official from the state of Colorado is actively working to undermine confidence and spread misinformation about our award-wining voting system,” Griswold said.

The security breach did not affect any past elections nor will it impact future ones, on account of the roughly 40 pieces of voting equipment being decertified, Griswold said. Mesa County will be responsible for the cost of completely replacing its election equipment by the end of the month or rely on hand-counted ballots.

The Cybersecurity 202: How Colorado became the safest state to cast a vote

Colorado is widely credited as having the gold-standard for election security after implementing virtually all of the recommended protocols following Russian interference in the 2016 election.

Larry Norden, who directs the Election Reform Program at the Brennan Center for Justice at the New York University School of Law, said Colorado invests in risk-limiting audits, multifactor authentication and testing before and after elections to ensure accuracy.

“If there was a [security breach] they would catch it — but you don’t want to be in that situation if you don’t have to be,” Norden told The Post. “You prefer the systems work right the first time.”

Griswold said the leaked passwords can only be used on a physical piece of equipment in the Mesa County Clerk’s Office; various authentications and safeguards make it unlikely a random person with the passwords could have meddled with the machines.

“Nobody has the keys to the castle,” she said. She conceded that it was not implausible a “bad actor” who somehow had access to both the passwords and the physical machines could compromise the security of the equipment.

Dominion’s lawsuits against Trump allies can move forward after judge rejects arguments

After Griswold’s office learned of the breach, her investigators found an unauthorized person had been allowed into the May meeting where the secure software update was taking place. By county rules, the seven attendees are restricted to state civil servants, county employees and representatives from Dominion Voting Systems, the equipment and software manufacturer.

Peters had previously pushed for the update, known as a trusted build, to be public, which Griswold rebuffed. Griswold said the man’s presence was a violation of the rules, which Peters helped him evade.

Matt Crane, a Republican who heads the County Clerks Association and formerly served as Arapahoe County Clerk, blasted the situation in Mesa County as a “solo, intentional and selfish act.”

“We’ve heard people say that this is heroic. To be clear. There is nothing heroic or honorable about what happened in Mesa County,” Crane said while standing alongside Griswold on Thursday.

Still, he called any calls for Peters’s resignation premature: “Ultimately, it’s up to the people of Mesa County.”
Peters, who was elected in 2018, survived a 2020 recall effort. She is up for reelection in 2022.
 

schuylaar

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The .45 ACP pictured was invented more than forty years later.

The .44 muzzleloading derringer Booth used had a decidedly marginal muzzle velocity of 400 fps.
Booth was good or lucky or both.
third times the charm; i thought it was a .22 when corrected to .44 and mistakenly posted .45.

i won't be forgetting this any time soon..thank you!:hug:
 
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