Roseman's DIY Bubbleponics Tutorial

Roseman

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Roseman

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Let me show you what I've grown in the past.

Big Indica leaves:


The pics are at 2 weeks after sprouting, 2 weeks 3 days and at 3 weeks. I started two seeds in dirt, the same day I started the seeds in the cubes. Notice the
diference.




Root Pics, the discoloration is from the shadowing, the roots are very white.




I cut 2/3s of the roots off that plant and it thrived after I transplanted it.
And in the other pic, you can see it, and the trunk of the plant was bigger than the cube was when I started it. Look at all those stalks!
People are worrying too much about the cubes.




Ignorant people say you can not grow coke can colas with CFLs.
Bullshit!





Harvested:


Every crop I have added two bulbs more.
I got 15.9 oz of dried, manicured, cured buds from the two tanks. I got abotu 12 oz of trim leaves, for HASH, and about two pounds of fan leaves for oil.
I got 14 grams of fine high grade HASH.





Here's the proof!


DOUBLE CLICK THE PICS TO SEE THEM LARGER, THEN DOUBLE CLICK THEM AGAIN!


The more stalks, the more tops




trying a 5 gallon bucket at my friend's house:









these are the roots of the plant that gave me 7 + ounces of dried manicured buds:



Tangled roots are fine, the more roots, the more plant! It is OK for them to tangle with the tubes too.

Many growers start seeds in a wet towel, or under a bowl, and use 5 days to sprout, take a 4 day old sprout (that is 9 days ) and place it in soil for 7 to 14 days, (that is 16 to 23 days later) then put it in a DWC system, and fill up the tank with water, so the baby one inch long roots are in the water, barely out of the cup. That is about a 3 week process, to get a root two inches long. The cube and root base is not being fed with nutrional rich water and oxygen.

In a Bubbleponics system, with a feeder tube and irrigation hub and under water pump, a seed is placed in a cube, in the cup, in the system, sprouts in 3 or 4 days and in 23 days I got a 23 inch tall plant.

without the feeding tubes, I 'd have a 4 inch tall plant.

14 days:


see the little plants in the dirt, in the bottom of the pic? I started the seeds in the dirt, the same exact day I startd the seeds in the system. see the difference????
12 days:




18 days old:


that's the difference!! (I over fed and got a little yellowing in that pic, I tend to do that often.)







Three years ago, I only had 4 bulbs on each tank, 2 65s and 2 85s.


how sweet it is!











Got to have some great shears or scissors.
 

xpac7007

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Q: i know ur lighting set-up from the start of this thread i was just wondering if u were concerned about the heat from all thoes lights. Ur going bigger this time and i was just seeing if that ran across your mind.

Roseman if you break 13 zips this grow im gonna take the hour drive up there and were gonna blaze and kick it. I bring some of my haul to match ya. I wanna see how thoes NL turn out under ur many cfl's. I bet its gonna be covered in shiny little things bongsmilie
 

Roseman

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Q: i know ur lighting set-up from the start of this thread i was just wondering if u were concerned about the heat from all thoes lights. Ur going bigger this time and i was just seeing if that ran across your mind.

Roseman if you break 13 zips this grow im gonna take the hour drive up there and were gonna blaze and kick it. I bring some of my haul to match ya. I wanna see how thoes NL turn out under ur many cfl's. I bet its gonna be covered in shiny little things bongsmilie
Yep, it is already warm in there, sometimes up to 85 degrees. I am running my air conditioner more than I want to now and I hope it gets much cooler before I get to FLOWERING. I 'll only use half my lights in VEG and the 200 watt CFLS are for sale now, and not going to be used.
 

RPsmoke420

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Yep, it is already warm in there, sometimes up to 85 degrees. I am running my air conditioner more than I want to now and I hope it gets much cooler before I get to FLOWERING. I 'll only use half my lights in VEG and the 200 watt CFLS are for sale now, and not going to be used.

During summer time grows, I use 18/6. I know, not ideal, but help keeps temps in check. My lights go off at 1, when it starts getting warm. They come back on at 7pm, when its cooling off. Just a thought. I have zero issues with heat.

Being said, I would be interested in a 200watt CFL, if its for sale. I'll PM you.
 

Roseman

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Here you see the difference in five days.
These pics were taken 9-10-09. Compare it to the pics 9-5-09.
I am astonished how the runt in the front row, 3rd in the corner, took off growing! She's not a runt now.





This is 5 days earlier.

 

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This is the other tank that is one week behind.
Compare it to 9-5-09 pic, 5 days ago.
In the back row, center, is the plant that died because the tube fell off the pump. Went about 8 hours, maybe ten, with no water and dried out, after it had two full leaves. I am trying to see if it will revive, but it looks doubtful.






9-5-09 Pic:
 

BLACKMESSIAH7

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PEACE Roseman. just a question....is it okay to have them(the 3 in the bucket )grow so close together, or is it because of the strain that you are growing? I thought about doing two (in soil unfortunately) but is it possible in any system, or does genetics have anything to do with it? pardon the intrusion
 

Roseman

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PEACE Roseman. just a question....is it okay to have them(the 3 in the bucket )grow so close together, or is it because of the strain that you are growing? I thought about doing two (in soil unfortunately) but is it possible in any system, or does genetics have anything to do with it? pardon the intrusion
Peace to you, Bro,

Those three in the bucket as well as all of them, are from seed, not feminized or auto flowering. I will VEG them 5 weeks, maybe 6 weeks, to maturity. Then I will start 12/12 and SEX them. The 3 in the bucket will become one or maybe two females, IF I am lucky. The six in the tanks will become 3 females on average too. If you scroll up page 13, you will see pics of some of my old grows, and how they looked at 36 to 46 inches in height, in the same tanks.
I play the odds or averages. This is my 8th grow. I know what to expect and what I will get.
Of 6 in a tank, I always, always get 3 females. In the bucket, one or two females.
Of the 6, I will get a dud in each tank, or a early death due to my mistake, or a fallen light will get one, or it will go hermie. Of the 6, I will get a runt in each tank for sure, and I will also get a giant too. I always do.

I will bend them over, I will train them, I will put a bulb or two down inbetween them, and if you stay another 11 weeks here, you will see that they do not crowd each other out, and they will grow just fine.

By having them close together, I slightly increase humidity, and I get more lumens from less bulbs on them. The goal is the most PLANT I can have in the less square footage. I will harvest or yield more than IF I only had one in the bucket.

IF you or anyone has questions about what you have seen and read here, ask away!

May Peace and JOY be your companions.
 

BLACKMESSIAH7

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I'm locked in brother:) can't wait to see the results because i haven't gotten to try bubbleponics (or hydro ) and i am eager to see the efficiency of the grow through the time. Learning all i can b4 i try it just like my start to growing....best of luck and big buds brother i'm rooting for you all the way!!!!!!!!!
 

Roseman

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Topping, Pruning, Fimming
Essentially they are the same, "Pruning" and "Topping", just two different commonly words used. Fimming means a lot of indesriminate Topping. It is also known to some as "Pinching" as well. In this page it will be refered to it as "Topping".

Topping is done to increase yield and make them bushy, bushy, bushy, make more buds, promote "branching", and increase the overall yeilds of the plants. With higher overall yeilds, a grower will successfully harvest many more buds, or floral clusters, and from smaller, bushier and more compact plants.

To the indoor grower that does not use this technique, but allows their plants to grow tall, it can be a waste of their artificial lighting, and growing spaces potential. With its own natural growth pattern, and without the benefit of topping, your lady will have one main central cola" bud, at peak flowering. Several other small branches will grow outwards, down its main stalk, with much smaller bud tops.

The natural growth pattern of a plant is to grow upwards at its main stalk. From this main central stalk, it will begin to grow side branches. The side branches come out as tiny shoots with leaves, and usually there are a pair of them on opposite sides of the main central stalk.

When the seed leaves have long died off on the main stalk, the first true seed leaves commonly can or will, wilt, dry up, or die off of the plant as well. (the little round ones) Once healthy new vegative growth begins the rate of growth can be very fast, with excellent lighting supplied.

As the new growth increases the light reaching the lower portions of the plants becomes less. Thus it is common to see first leafs wilting and dying. Growers that see leaves wilting or dying, etc, will opt to pulling them off of the plants. It is cool to remove dying, yellowing unhealthy leaves IF the leaf is 75% dead. IF it is 50% dead, then 50% is still eating and making new growth. I NEVER remove a healthy leaf.

The main central stalk is topped off just above the branches Or new growths that are coming out below it. A pair of very small sharp scissors can be used but a razor blade or razor knife is best.
There are no rules to where you top your plant or how old it needs to be. As long as your plant has shoots protruding further down the main stalk it is able to be topped. When topped the growth of the plant will be concentrated towards the new, younger vegative shoots.

Once you have topped your plant(s) the younger shoots will rapidly begin growing. With the removal of the main central stalk the lower braches grow more. With topping completed we keep the plants on their regular lighting and feeding schedules.

Now each new shoot tip will essentially grow as the main stalk did, however the growth is not concentrated to only one central stalk. So as each new shoot grows outward new shoots will grow from each one of them stalks as well.

Therefore topping can be done again, and again, and as each shoot becomes a growing tip with other shoots forming down its stalk, it is removed. By completing these topping or pruning tactics, a grower can acheive any desired height, or desired bushiness they desire in their plants.

I TOP and FIM, at the end 2nd, 3rd, and 4th week, and I PRUNE and FIM after the thrid full week of growth.






This is the best example of good topping.



With proper pre-planned Topping and Prunning, I was able to persuade a plant to make 13, (depending on how you count them) to produce 12 or 13 major stalks and it got about 46 inches tall, and produced 7 ounces of dried manicured buds.

Today is the day for the first Topping.

I determined that the 3 plants in the bucket and 5 of the six in the first tank were ready to TOP. They all had over three full nodes. Some had 5 nodes. Regardless, I took the top node out. I think it hurt me worst than it did them. I was not able to hold the camera and snap the pics and do the cutting at the same time.

Here is what I took off or out:





I will wait about 5 days and TOP the other remaining plants.


Any Questions about what I have covered so far?
 

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AlwaysFUBAR

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How many days before I harvest should I start to flush my girls. I am going to be using a Flora Kleen from GH. Its says three days but i have leaned not to trust the directions on the bottles.
 

Roseman

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Everyday for the past two weeks, I check my pH in the evenings, and my pH is 7.1 to 7.6. I drain one quart out of each reservoir with a syphon hose, and replace it with a quart of cool water with a measured 1/4 teaspoon of pH DOWN, dropping the pH to about 5.8 to 6.1, on average. Ocassionlly it goes to 5.6 at the lowest.


Daily, once a day, I soak my wash clothes, roll them up tight and lay them on the tanks, to help increase humidity and to block light from shining on the reservoir lids. I also put cups of water on the lids too.

Every other day, I re-arrange the lights. I have three lights over each tank, two 6500K and one 2700K. Every other day, I move them around, so that one plant does not get more of one spectrum than the other.

For the past 4 days in a row, I raised my lights up a foot high for ten minutes, and I Misted (sprayed) them with plain water. Today, I added 1/4 dose of GROW nutes that would go in one gallon of water, to my spray water, and I will mist them daily with that water.
I really believe in Foilage Spray.

For a week, I have seen tiny white specs on my cubes. That is perfectly OK, it is mineral salts, from my well water. The white spots are gritty and have no odor. If it was mold, it would be slimey, mushey, grow or increase rapidly, and smell bad.

Today I moved my tanks closer to the center of the closet, so that they all share the lights, and I raised my air pumps higher, so the lights do not shine on them and heat them any.

Thursday, three days ago, I got my first smell of the skunk smell.
I will do something about it soon.

Any Questions about what I have covered so far?
 

Roseman

Elite Rolling Society
Today I did a complete DRAIN and REPLINISH, to all three reservoirs. I balanced the pH to 5.7 to 6.0 on all three containers.
I added a full dose of nutes to the reservoir that has the older plants, and I added 3/4 dose of nutes to the bucket, (because it has 4 gallons of water and not 6 gallons, and has 3 plants and not 6 plants).
In the tank with the younger plants, I used 3/4 dose of nutes.
I got out the ppm meter, I have a nice Truncheon ppm meter. It uses the 500 or the .5 reading (same thing) in opposed to the 700 meters. The tank with full nutes read 560, which is 400 on the Hanna chart.
My bucket was a ppm of 420, or 300 Hanna ppm. My young tank was between 250 and 300 Hanna or 400 Truncheon ppm.
Those readings are after I subtract the ppm reading of my well water.


Because pH Down and pH Up affects ppm readings, as well as the added nutrients, the termperature of the water, and especially the quality of the water, I do not really rely on the ppm readings to tell me whether to add nutes or not. For me it is just a rule of thumb or a helpful guide to go by.

Here is a PPM Conversion Chart that might prove helpful to
you:

PPM for Hanna Chart PPM


Seedlings, Early Sprouts 100 to 250

Early Vegging 300 to 400

Full Vegetation 450 to 700

Early Blooming 750 to 950

Full Mature Blooms 1000 to 1600

Note: EC, Hanna, EC, and Trucncheon Calculations are different from meter to meter... EC is the only real universal language.




Any Questions about what I have covered so far?
 

Roseman

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How many days before I harvest should I start to flush my girls. I am going to be using a Flora Kleen from GH. Its says three days but i have leaned not to trust the directions on the bottles.
Come on now Fubar,
In this tutorial, I have not got to the Harvest Section, I am just now getting them growing.
 

Roseman

Elite Rolling Society
If you have questions about YOUR grow, please invite me to YOUR thread, or go here:
Questions about Bubbleponic Growing Thread
or here:
Roseman and purpdaddys guide for my Bubbleponics setup from Stealth Hydroponic

Posting YOUR grow in someone else's thread is called
Hi-jacking a thread.

I am open for questions about what is posted in this Tutorial here.

I will gladly answer other questions here:
Questions about Bubbleponic Growing Thread
or here:
Roseman and purpdaddys guide for my Bubbleponics setup from Stealth Hydroponic
 
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