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londonfog said:

so you would have no problem with people walking around nude around your family. Teachers teaching your child nude and you have no problem with it...

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Faulty deduction.


I would have no problem with you using your property as you see fit.

My children are grown and have silver backs of their own now. However I think the best teachers know the difference between your property and their property. On your property, your rules are what counts.

Public schools have a basis in force, I reject them for that reason.

Rob Roy said:

Faulty deduction.


I would have no problem with you using your property as you see fit.

My children are grown and have silver backs of their own now. However I think the best teachers know the difference between your property and their property. On your property, your rules are what counts.

Public schools have a basis in force, I reject them for that reason.

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Just admit you have serious flaws in your utopia.

abandonconflict said:

Buy gold now! Audit the fed and fuck the civil rights act.

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I see what you did there. Civil rights should not supersede the right of a person to peacefully disassociate or should they?

We get it Rob Roy, you love segregation.

londonfog said:

Just admit you have serious flaws in your utopia.

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Or what? You will use force to make me pledge allegiance to something that tells me I'm free? Dizzy much?

abandonconflict said:

We get it Rob Roy, you love segregation.

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Pinch hitting for gerbil boy?

Rob Roy said:

Or what? You will use force to make me pledge allegiance to something that tells me I'm free? Dizzy much?

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no force from me....will wait until you work out your flaws

londonfog said:

no force from me....will wait until you work out your flaws

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I commend you for your no force stance.

No "system" can override human nature. There will always be people that are disrespectful, so my "utopia" which centers on peaceful interactions will not end coercion or make things perfect for everybody It will just not include coercion from the get go as all present governments do now.

If eliminating flaws is your goal, consider that something that has coercion built in from its inception will not accomplish peace.

Rob Roy said:

...my "utopia"...will just not include coercion from the get go

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yes it will, it's human nature. you even said so.

fucking idiot.

UncleBuck said:

yes it will, it's human nature. you even said so.

fucking idiot.

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Oh dear Bucky. You try so hard.

No, the non initiation of aggression principle does not include coercion. Coercion is ALREADY present in some people (like you). Therefore even if most people practice non aggression, there will still be people like you that want to try to Mrs. Cravitz all over people.

My reference to "coercion from the get go" is about how coercion is systemically imbedded in coercive government deeper than a gerbil is imbedded in...oh never mind.

Rob Roy said:

Coercion is ALREADY present in some people...coercion is systemically imbedded in coercive government...

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so then what;s the difference between your utopia and what we have now, besides the fact that you'd be running around from store to store making sure black folks knew they were "initiating aggression" just like a KKK lynch mob does by their aggressive audacity to try to buy gas from someone who is selling gas?

UncleBuck said:

so then what;s the difference between your utopia and what we have now, besides the fact that you'd be running around from store to store making sure black folks knew they were "initiating aggression" just like a KKK lynch mob does by their aggressive audacity to try to buy gas from someone who is selling gas?

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You wouldn't be able to pass a law that shitting on somebodies floors was permissable.

I never termed it Utopia either.

What we have now is one central authority model that has a basis in coercion. What we would have is a basis founded in mutual respect for others right to engage in consensual acts but not coercive ones.

I think you should be able to tell the KKK to pound sand if you don't want to interact with them. I have no use for people that go others property and try to harm them.

I wouldn't run in a store, you never know what kind of shitty surprises somebody may have left on the floor.

Rob Roy said:

You wouldn't be able to pass a law that shitting on somebodies floors was permissable.

I never termed it Utopia either.

What we have now is one central authority model that has a basis in coercion. What we would have is a basis founded in mutual respect for others right to engage in consensual acts but not coercive ones.

I think you should be able to tell the KKK to pound sand if you don't want to interact with them. I have no use for people that go others property and try to harm them.

I wouldn't run in a store, you never know what kind of shitty surprises somebody may have left on the floor.

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Rob Roy it seems this planet makes you very unhappy.

londonfog said:

Rob Roy it seems this planet makes you very unhappy.

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I think the planet is beautiful. I don't like people that try to run others lives that's all.

Rob Roy said:

I think the planet is beautiful. I don't like people that try to run others lives that's all.

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i don't like segregationists who try to deny reality, but sadly i just have to wait until they die off.

Rob Roy said:

I think the planet is beautiful. I don't like people that try to run others lives that's all.

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You don't run your life..who does ??

londonfog said:

You don't run your life..who does ??

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It's not an either or thing. Most of us have some external constraints placed on us that make no sense, I try to reject those when I can.

UncleBuck said:

i don't like segregationists who try to deny reality, but sadly i just have to wait until they die off.

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So, we should all be forced to go to your birthday party and eat Wendy's food and play pin the tail on the gerbil?

Rob Roy said:

So, we should all be forced to go to your birthday party and eat Wendy's food and play pin the tail on the gerbil?

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nice hyperbole.

i am in favor of civil rights. you are in favor of segregation even though it caused harm.

Rob Roy said:

It's not an either or thing. Most of us have some external constraints placed on us that make no sense, I try to reject those when I can.

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honestly you and I view this world so differently. I was somewhat constraint when I was in the USAF, but I signed up for that. Now I feel nothing can hold me back on the things I want to accomplish. What is it you wish to do that you can't.