Sativas

I’m having issues growing sativas. Fox farm happy frog mix with ocean forest. Indoor Temp 70-80 humidity 65. Wet dry cycle. Top of the stems want to fall over. Indicas no problem. Any tips on sativas? My understanding is they grow in hot humid environment. Maybe I need to bump the humidity and temp up? Three different strain issues. Super silver haze and jack herer. Other one I think is sour patch cbd.

Jsnbaxter said:

I’m having issues growing sativas. Fox farm happy frog mix with ocean forest. Indoor Temp 70-80 humidity 65. Wet dry cycle. Top of the stems want to fall over. Indicas no problem. Any tips on sativas? My understanding is they grow in hot humid environment. Maybe I need to bump the humidity and temp up? Three different strain issues. Super silver haze and jack herer. Other one I think is sour patch cbd.

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Pictures would be helpful. Along with the age of these plants.

hotrodharley said:

Pictures would be helpful. Along with the age of these plants.

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I’ve done this before and the responses were all over the place.Top falling over in one plant. Droopy bottom leaves another. I was trying to get general grow condition of sativa to see if it’s a fundamental issue. Top falling over to me would be a silica deficiency. The other one with saggy leaves I think is a humidity issue. These are all in fresh soil.

They look well over fed and droopy from thirst or over watering. Can’t really tell. But I’ve grown jack herrer and had no troubles. I haven’t grown the others ones.
I don’t know a lot about sativas but won’t they grow in the same conditions as any other strain they just stretch more?
I don’t think your issues are sativa related IMHO

It appears she's lst'ing herself.

Fresh soil? How long ago were they transplanted? I’m going with overwater rather than any silica deficiency.

Yeah those bags have plenty room left for a bunch of fresh soil to be added.
If your feeding any nutrients I would back off them a lot and let the soil feed till they show signs of needing some food.

hotrodharley said:

Fresh soil? How long ago were they transplanted? I’m going with overwater rather than any silica deficiency.

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super silver
11/7 transplanted.
11/16 - watered
11/22- watered no fert . 1 scoop top soil

Water then wait until dry

jack herer
11/7 transplanted
11/19 watered

i Was estimating needing feeding at 3-4 weeks. Added soil on top of the one with droopy leaves on bottom. These were kept in 1 gallon pots for too long. However the one didn’t have the top fall over until today. That is the jack herer was over fertilized early on by wet nutrients. I got some dry nutes for the future.

Jsnbaxter said:

11/7 transplanted.
11/16 - watered
11/22- watered no fert . 1 scoop top soil

Water then wait until dry

11/7 transplanted
11/19 watered

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Probably doesn’t answer your question but wet dry cycle like that is not a great soil growing practice no matter what your told by the masses. This is not a sativa/indica problem. The plant is basically going into survival mode and not growth mode. Water soil everyday. Sometimes it’s just a sip but really focus on keeping it in the sweet spot. Make sure your not ph adjusting your water.

green_machine_two9er said:

Probably doesn’t answer your question but wet dry cycle like that is not a great soil growing practice no matter what your told by the masses. This is not a sativa/indica problem. The plant is basically going into survival mode and not growth mode. Water soil everyday. Sometimes it’s just a sip but really focus on keeping it in the sweet spot. Make sure your not ph adjusting your water.

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Why not ph adjust water? Yeah I thought that was standard practice wet dry. You are saying basically a drip system is better? Also I have others thriving under this system of watering.

Jsnbaxter said:

Why not ph adjust water? Yeah I thought that was standard practice wet dry. You are saying basically a drip system is better? Also I have others thriving under this system of watering.

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Wet/dry cycle grows healthy roots in soil, and introduces good amounts of oxygen.

Jsnbaxter said:

Yeah I thought that was standard practice wet dry.

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Consistently moist. Not too wet and not too dry.

Boatguy said:

Wet/dry cycle grows healthy roots in soil, and introduces good amounts of oxygen.

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The soiless mediums we use in containers have plenty of space for oxygen to get to roots without drying out the medium in between watering.
Think how plants in the ground would every be able to breath! In fact a lot of the oxygen plants respirate are the root zone come good old H20.

Jsnbaxter said:

Why not ph adjust water? Yeah I thought that was standard practice wet dry. You are saying basically a drip system is better? Also I have others thriving under this system of watering.

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Not even a drip system. Learning to water soil properly is a lifelong practice. Watching all the factors in making a property decision on the volume of water the soil wants is not easy but only can be perfected with watching soil as well as plants. But mainly the soil. How does it smell? Do you get runoff instantly? Do you get standing water in pots for any amount of time? Finger the drain hole and feel the dirt down low and stick a finger in up high. Learn to listen to these things to properly water.

phing Water is not needed in soil unless your actively fertilizing In the case of salts are used you must adjust. Never any other time. If your Water ph is off the you need to talking your water itself. Does it need another filter. Or, too much have filter. What the buffering capacity ofwater source is more important. Learn what minerals are there.

show me a thriving plant. Many people think a plant is thriving but that’s confirmation bias potentially.

speedwell68 said:

Consistently moist. Not too wet and not too dry.

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Just like Goldilocks

I grew both a Jack Herer and SSH Auto. I know it's not the same blah blah blah, but I ran into a couple of difficulties with both. Came down to medium, overfeeding, and I now believe, PHing my tap water. Both plants were in different grows so it's difficult to compare. I used HP Promix with the JH and a homemade first try soil in with the SSH. My current grow is dirt simple. HP Promix, Mega Crop at 1/2 the amount suggested, and straight, unadulterated, unadjusted, and untampered with 7.8 PH tap water. MC gets it down to 6.8 or so. I bumped up the Mega Crop to 1tsp/G once, saw how the plants reacted, and dropped it back to 1/2 next time.

Good luck with the grow. How's the light situation?

Dorian2 said:

I grew both a Jack Herer and SSH Auto. I know it's not the same blah blah blah, but I ran into a couple of difficulties with both. Came down to medium, overfeeding, and I now believe, PHing my tap water. Both plants were in different grows so it's difficult to compare. I used HP Promix with the JH and a homemade first try soil in with the SSH. My current grow is dirt simple. HP Promix, Mega Crop at 1/2 the amount suggested, and straight, unadulterated, unadjusted, and untampered with 7.8 PH tap water. MC gets it down to 6.8 or so. I bumped up the Mega Crop to 1tsp/G once, saw how the plants reacted, and dropped it back to 1/2 next time.

Good luck with the grow. How's the light situation?

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I’m using fox farms. Maybe it’s not geared towards sativas. I dunno. I guess the soil could be hot or the ph water could be the issue. Gro planner 150w and a vipar spectra 650 watt. Other strains healthy under same light conditions but are mainly indica dominant

Jsnbaxter said:

I’m using fox farms. Maybe it’s not geared towards sativas. I dunno. I guess the soil could be hot or the ph water could be the issue. Gro planner 150w and a vipar spectra 650 watt. Other strains healthy under same light conditions but are mainly indica dominant

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Considering your responses, I'm guessing you'll figure it out pretty quick. I've read that some Sativa's just don't like a lot of extra "girth" attention.

green_machine_two9er said:

he soiless mediums we use in containers have plenty of space for oxygen to get to roots without drying out the medium in between watering.
Think how plants in the ground would every be able to breath! In fact a lot of the oxygen plants respirate are the root zone come good old H20.

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Yes. Those of us that use soiless

Jsnbaxter said:

Why not ph adjust water? Yeah I thought that was standard practice wet dry. You are saying basically a drip system is better? Also I have others thriving under this system of watering.

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Correct in soil don’t PH your water just poor it in and I would water when needed then water again when needed then just water again when needed and on the 4th watering give them a little food like 1/3-1/4 what bottles say to use. Fox farm nutrients are fine just don’t feed them at full strength the soil should carry them for close to 4 weeks or their bouts. Just keep it stupid simple and don’t over think it

One of the biggest issues people have with sativas is overfeeding.

Jsnbaxter said:

I’m having issues growing sativas. Fox farm happy frog mix with ocean forest. Indoor Temp 70-80 humidity 65. Wet dry cycle. Top of the stems want to fall over. Indicas no problem. Any tips on sativas? My understanding is they grow in hot humid environment. Maybe I need to bump the humidity and temp up? Three different strain issues. Super silver haze and jack herer. Other one I think is sour patch cbd.

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Overfeeding and don't cycle wet dry in soil. Soil prefers to be moist at all times but not wet/soaked esp with sativas ime. Just going from too wet to too dry without extra aeration.