Scotts (MiracleGro) bought General Hydroponics

BROBIE

BROBIE

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unwine99 said:
One could probably make the case for monopoly but communism? That's just ridiculous. Monopoly is actually the unfettered extreme of capitalism. Antitrust laws have largely put an end to real monopolies -- i.e Rockefeller with Standard Oil and Carnegie with U.S. Steel.
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Monopolization is de facto in communism. It is not unique to capitalism. The common state dictates all.
 
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Jbone77

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That would really suck if they did have a monopoly on the hydro market and everyone had to buy the same basic 3 part that will feed every plant known to man without any supplements, what would we all do with our extra shelf space? Big Mikes plastics supplier better put a stop to this shit ASAP!
 
BROBIE

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Jbone77 said:
That would really suck if they did have a monopoly on the hydro market and everyone had to buy the same basic 3 part that will feed every plant known to man without any supplements, what would we all do with our extra shelf space? Big Mikes plastics supplier better put a stop to this shit ASAP!
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You got that shit right , those monopolistic socialist commie pigs .
 
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Jbone77

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This forum would suck, the arguments would be limited to how dumb the next guy is for wasting 1/4 ml of part A every feeding
 
unwine99

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BROBIE said:
Monopolization is de facto in communism. It is not unique to capitalism. The common state dictates all.
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You're right, it's not unique to capitalism but historically in the United States, monopoly has come from unbridled capitalism. Point being, communism doesn't have anything to do with anything as it pertains to Scotts Miracle-Gro purchasing General Hydroponics.
 
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unwine99 said:
You're right, it's not unique to capitalism but historically in the United States, monopoly has come from unbridled capitalism. Point being, communism doesn't have anything to do with anything as it pertains to Scotts Miracle-Gro purchasing General Hydroponics.
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That has got to be the first time anyone has told Brobie he's right about something in a nutrient thread. He will be celebrating for days
 
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BROBIE

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unwine99 said:
You're right, it's not unique to capitalism but historically in the United States, monopoly has come from unbridled capitalism. Point being, communism doesn't have anything to do with anything as it pertains to Scotts Miracle-Gro purchasing General Hydroponics.
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Well you know how these threads morph sometimes. You fail to grasp the economic aspects of communism. No problem though.
 
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az2000

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BROBIE said:
Monopolization is de facto in communism. It is not unique to capitalism. The common state dictates all.
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If Scotts is communism, Advanced Nutrients is facism. To borrow Benito Mussolini's description: "Everything within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state." That kind of cult-like group think describes AN perfectly.

I use Grow More for $20 every 5 years. That makes me a libertarian.
 
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az2000 said:
If Scotts is communism, Advanced Nutrients is facism. To borrow Benito Mussolini's description: "Everything within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state." That kind of cult-like group think describes AN perfectly.

I use Grow More for $20 every 5 years. That makes me a libertarian.
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No, it makes you a broken record lol. Shame on me for using a base nutrient from AN.
Grow more is fine. 5 years? For how many plants? 2? What do they have in the hydro department? Can you show me some bases? Love some of the organic ferts they offer.

I find a store but I have to buy 25 lbs and pay 25$ shipping. This is not convienience. or you could turn me on to a better source ? thx

But really, Fascism? So mikee is Hitler ? He forces you to buy from him? Sounds like that comes from the book of liberalism with the the big H word and all.......
 
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BROBIE

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So this is different than AN?

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Along with 55 other products.

They are ALL in it for the buck. Fascism

@az2000 I see UR from Tucson so you can pick it up direct from the store?
 
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az20to said:
I don't see this being good in any way. I doubt Scotts' intention is to reduce GH down to big-box retail distribution at garden centers. I believe this is more about Scotts getting into hydro stores and cashing in on the over-priced cannabis-themed market.

I've seen relatively small, focused companies acquired by multi-division corporations and their character changes. They become less personal, less responsive, more remotely driven by bottom-line guys who don't have a passion for the core business.

Then there's the stigma. Adding GH to the corporate family won't give credibility to MiracleGro, it will reduce the credibility of GH as "now it's just a high-end MiracleGro."

I think General Organics will suffer the most loss from this acquisition. The organic guys are the most sensitive to Scott's affiliation with Monsanto and "Big Agro's" takeover of the food supply.

IMO, GH was a genius to get out now. As personal grow rights spread to more states, I believe the cannabis-themed market will dry up. There's too many players in that multi-bottle "lineup" space already. When I walk into a hydro store and see 100' wall space of bottles, there is something definitely wrong and unsustainable (when I can go to an ordinary nursery and pick from 20' of products for every type of plant under the sun). Consumers will (and already do) discover ordinary nutrients work fine with cannabis. They don't need to pay a cannabis tax for themed nutrients and cartoon labels.

GH/GO were the least offenders in this way. They were probably less at risk. But, a brilliant move to get out before the gimmicky cannabis-nutrient market shakes out.
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It happened to the natural food industry also(where Nestle,smuckers and coca cola own most of)...this was inevitable...and expect more to change than just the customer service
 
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I don't see how GH with Scotts as a stigma. GH is the gold standard for hydro is it not? Used by NASA and all? I see it more as name/brand recognition to boost sales.

az2000 said:
Then there's the stigma. Adding GH to the corporate family won't give credibility to MiracleGro, it will reduce the credibility of GH as "now it's just a high-end MiracleGro."
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Sativied

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I only know the bad MG rep from RIU but GH already is the cheap stuff, as the name says just some cheap general hydro nutes.

az2000 said:
"Everything within the state(s), nothing outside the state(s), nothing against the state(s)" That kind of cult-like group thinking describes..
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What other group does that remind me of... lolclap :lol: :clap:
 
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BROBIE said:
But really, Fascism? So mikee is Hitler ? He forces you to buy from him?
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I was making fun of your communism analogy which was just as non-nonsensical.

BROBIE said:
I don't see how GH with Scotts as a stigma. GH is the gold standard for hydro is it not? Used by NASA and all? I see it more as name/brand recognition to boost sales.
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Sounds like they're going to rename the brand to Hawthorne, a name they created to obscure that it's really Scotts-MiracleGro.

It will be interesting to see if it remains a standard. Over some period of time, perhaps 10 years, I expect Scott's corporate values to affect these product. On other forums 90% of posters are talking about either buying everything they can find in stock, or switching. If Scott's goes big-box retail they'll make up those customers. But, that's a different kind of gold standard.

BROBIE said:
So this is different than AN?
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It cost me $6 for a pound and a half. I use about 1/4 tsp every grow. It's gonna last me about 10 years.

With Advanced Nutrients Big Bud for $80, I'm surprised you're making the particular comparison you are.

I don't really care what anyone uses. I just thought your comparison of Scotts to a political system was far-fetched. More far-fetched than comparing AN to another political system -- which seems to have gotten you all wee-wee'd up.

Dishing and taking are two different things? :eek:
 
BROBIE

BROBIE

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@az2000 Wee-Weeed. lol. 1) I don't use Big Bud. I use Sensi bloom only. I should buy 25lb bags? 2) you must grow 2 plants at a time. lol 3) the hawaiian pik was to show your sacred company is just as cartoony and shallow as AN in the marketing world. lol
The communism thing started by Church stating it's better not having any choice. This is RIU, we dick with each other. Drunkin rants are ok here I think. You're just boring. Hear that much?

EDIT: Looking at your journal I see such small grows. like your wee-wee :hump: no wonder it lasts you 10 years. For someone so electrically inclined, you sure can't see the forest for the trees. :bigjoint:
 
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