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hotrodharley, so you think my situation isn't as dismal as others? I did mention(more than once, I believe), that I'm not trying to pull the same out of these as I was my HID bulbs, but just can't afford to run those at this particular time in my life. I've gotten a couple good grows, but my technique with getting all the tops at the same height wasn't accomplished.

Can you help? Tips to do something like you've done? My rigs are all DIY but with casters, are very movable, so I can juggle them around some without any trouble.

Any help at all would be greatly appreciated.
 
hotrodharley

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Sleepybud said:
hotrodharley, so you think my situation isn't as dismal as others? I did mention(more than once, I believe), that I'm not trying to pull the same out of these as I was my HID bulbs, but just can't afford to run those at this particular time in my life. I've gotten a couple good grows, but my technique with getting all the tops at the same height wasn't accomplished.

Can you help? Tips to do something like you've done? My rigs are all DIY but with casters, are very movable, so I can juggle them around some without any trouble.

Any help at all would be greatly appreciated.
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Supercrop them so what light you do have is spread evenly.
 
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I'm not sure what that means. I think there's a language barrier for me. Many people post things like 'COB' , 'blurple', 'supercrop'... please try to remember I'm a relatively new to this and, I'm assuming, a tad older than the average age of person here.
 
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Sleepybud said:
Any help at all would be greatly appreciated
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first off, pay no mind to the anti blurple members.

second, that's not a scrog in the first pic on page 1. all that screen is doing is support.

you need a way bigger screen if you want to do a scrog.

why don't you just let the plant grow naturally? and forget about all the training you are trying to do. start a perpetual grow which will get you way more medicince in a years time than any training method.
 
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Sleepybud said:
I'm not sure what that means. I think there's a language barrier for me. Many people post things like 'COB' , 'blurple', 'supercrop'... please try to remember I'm a relatively new to this and, I'm assuming, a tad older than the average age of person here.
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https://www.growweedeasy.com/how-to-super-crop-marijuana

I'll be 69 this year. Been growing a while starting guerilla growing in Texas in the 60's.

Rocky is right. Start a perpetual grow. Many here will help.
 
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First 2 pics are a plant I just supercropped just for you. Seriously. It might look drastic. The bottom are plants that have been topped and supercropped from birth. Multiple clones taken. There's 100 people here growing one or more of these 4 strains. 2 are white widow.
 
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hotrodharley, Yes! That's what I've been trying to do, but without the amazing success you've had. I've got the feel of bending and snapping branches and weaving them through the screen on the top of my rack. I got this 'rack' idea from a local grower I know that has similar ones, but they fit one 30 gallon bag. I've seen his racks, but don't know him well enough to be allowed into his huge warehouse grow, that I'm told has 50:50 LED's and HID's hanging from the ceiling! I wanted to use two 10 gallon containers in each, so I can run two different strains in one rack(bang for the buck).

OK, here's another term I'm not familiar with 'perpetual grow', but if it's what it sounds like, I've definitely never done anything like that. I'm ALL IN if it'll help my situation
 
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Sleepybud said:
hotrodharley, Yes! That's what I've been trying to do, but without the amazing success you've had. I've got the feel of bending and snapping branches and weaving them through the screen on the top of my rack. I got this 'rack' idea from a local grower I know that has similar ones, but they fit one 30 gallon bag. I've seen his racks, but don't know him well enough to be allowed into his huge warehouse grow, that I'm told has 50:50 LED's and HID's hanging from the ceiling! I wanted to use two 10 gallon containers in each, so I can run two different strains in one rack(bang for the buck).

OK, here's another term I'm not familiar with 'perpetual grow', but if it's what it sounds like, I've definitely never done anything like that. I'm ALL IN if it'll help my situation
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Here's a link with the principles.

https://www.growweedeasy.com/the-perpetual-harvest
 
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Dude, those are the BALLS!!! I'd scrap my racks if I could get plants like that in one pot!

Are those 10 gallon bags?

I bend and snap my branches, but never have at that early of a stage.

I REALLY need to pick your brain about this venture!

Thank you very much for not making me feel like I'm a total shit-for-brains(even though, I may fall into that category).
 
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Sleepybud said:
Dude, those are the BALLS!!! I'd scrap my racks if I could get plants like that in one pot!

Are those 10 gallon bags?

I bend and snap my branches, but never have at that early of a stage.

I REALLY need to pick your brain about this venture!

Thank you very much for not making me feel like I'm a total shit-for-brains(even though, I may fall into that category).
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7 gallon and 5 gallon. This time of the year these are mother plants being flowered for personal . Still great plants but sooner or later root issues or nute buildup or both start to affect the plant. So flower what's left, raise the clones and choose another donor.

These are all healthy. I flower them out before something does turn negative.
 
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Oh, I see. Perpetual Harvesting is kinda what I'm trying to do, but I do have some periods(like now), that I've got to wait a few weeks to flip my next veg run. I clone off every single plant I have and try to keep thing moving, though.

Non-New Englander's usually don't know about MOB(Mother Of Berry), but it's the hands-down easiest plant to clone and I've been cloning this one since 2014, as well as the Blue OG, I just harvested a rack that had both. I would have transplanted my Tangerine Dream(which is the pic with the LED light), but the guy that gave me those clones, kinda lied. He said he just took them out of the cloner and put them in solo cups, but when I tried to up-pot one(of the 3) and took it out of the solo cup, it was just a cut without ANY roots whatsoever, so that totally fucked my rhythm of popping the next clones onto the rack and vegging it. It was like a month of a time-sink.
 
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hotrodharley, that pic on top that you that you said you supercropped for me, I noticed you also pinched/topped the branches. Do you have a regular 'rule-of-thumb' for doing that(like every so many nodes..) or do you just look at it like shaping the whole deal... more artist-y?

I just popped my first 2 seeds ever(Mandarin Sunset & Amnesia), this Feb and it was scary yet educational, but again, I'm just wingin' it without any true education to support my methods(very loose methods, at that), so the only thing I know is that it wasn't a bad thing that my cat jumped up on table where my babies were and ate the top 1/3" of my 3-week-old seedlings(that I was trying to baby). My first 3(of 5) seeds of Amnesia germinated, popped out of the surface after I put them in soil but just drooped over and died(Seeds Here Now was where I got them from, who after I called they pretty much told me to screw off as their guarantee is only to germinate). The Mandarin Sunset(Ethos), however, popped and has just taken off! I've got one inside and one outside for comparison, but they're both growing very strong. I want to start supercropping every one now, but just don't know when to begin.
 
hotrodharley

hotrodharley

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Sleepybud said:
hotrodharley, that pic on top that you that you said you supercropped for me, I noticed you also pinched/topped the branches. Do you have a regular 'rule-of-thumb' for doing that(like every so many nodes..) or do you just look at it like shaping the whole deal... more artist-y?

I just popped my first 2 seeds ever(Mandarin Sunset & Amnesia), this Feb and it was scary yet educational, but again, I'm just wingin' it without any true education to support my methods(very loose methods, at that), so the only thing I know is that it wasn't a bad thing that my cat jumped up on table where my babies were and ate the top 1/3" of my 3-week-old seedlings(that I was trying to baby). My first 3(of 5) seeds of Amnesia germinated, popped out of the surface after I put them in soil but just drooped over and died(Seeds Here Now was where I got them from, who after I called they pretty much told me to screw off as their guarantee is only to germinate). The Mandarin Sunset(Ethos), however, popped and has just taken off! I've got one inside and one outside for comparison, but they're both growing very strong. I want to start supercropping every one now, but just don't know when to begin.
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I top anything that has a terminal shoot that will branch. Altogether about 3 good topping sessions on a plant before flipping it. I like to wait a couple weeks after the last topping before flipping. One more grow feed even though 12/12. Then transition it to Bloom. I'm picking up a sample of Bud Igniter tomorrow. A guy who was growing for a huge legal op here swears by it and is giving me some. Use first 2 weeks of bloom and then Big Bud a couple of weeks.
 
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Sleepybud said:
Oh, I see. Perpetual Harvesting is kinda what I'm trying to do, but I do have some periods(like now), that I've got to wait a few weeks to flip my next veg run. I clone off every single plant I have and try to keep thing moving, though.

Non-New Englander's usually don't know about MOB(Mother Of Berry), but it's the hands-down easiest plant to clone and I've been cloning this one since 2014, as well as the Blue OG, I just harvested a rack that had both. I would have transplanted my Tangerine Dream(which is the pic with the LED light), but the guy that gave me those clones, kinda lied. He said he just took them out of the cloner and put them in solo cups, but when I tried to up-pot one(of the 3) and took it out of the solo cup, it was just a cut without ANY roots whatsoever, so that totally fucked my rhythm of popping the next clones onto the rack and vegging it. It was like a month of a time-sink.
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Did you root that cutting? Assuming you did
 
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Oh yes indeed, I rooted that cut( I try to make it my business to root every cut I take )! It's actually outside in it's own 4' x 4' x2' tall raised bed box! The other 2 Tangerine Dream cut, I left in the solo cups until they had roots hanging out of the bottom cut-holes in those cups! The 2 that I left in the cups are the ones in that LED-colored picture in my indoor veg room. My thing has always been about trying to use all the plant material/cuts/rooted-clones.. I have a difficult time throwing a perfectly good clone or cut out.

I've only topped once or twice, but I'm going to try to get a 3rd one in.

P.S. would you do this with outdoor plants too(supercropping, topping..)? I know this is an 'indoor' forum, so I apologize if I'm treading down the wrong path.
 
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Sleepybud said:
Oh yes indeed, I rooted that cut( I try to make it my business to root every cut I take )! It's actually outside in it's own 4' x 4' x2' tall raised bed box! The other 2 Tangerine Dream cut, I left in the solo cups until they had roots hanging out of the bottom cut-holes in those cups! The 2 that I left in the cups are the ones in that LED-colored picture in my indoor veg room. My thing has always been about trying to use all the plant material/cuts/rooted-clones.. I have a difficult time throwing a perfectly good clone or cut out.

I've only topped once or twice, but I'm going to try to get a 3rd one in.

P.S. would you do this with outdoor plants too(supercropping, topping..)? I know this is an 'indoor' forum, so I apologize if I'm treading down the wrong path.
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I started topping when we only grew outdoors . Supercropping too to keep rippers away I did both years before I bought my first "total hydroponic grow kit" for $400 out of High Times. What a ripoff. A kitty litter box, a bag of red lava, sample packs of nutes and a fucking magnetic ballast HPS street light. The ballast weighed a ton, got hotter than hell and the street light reflector was too big to fit in the attic space. So it was supercrop there too from the start.

I compulsively top multiple times and supercrop everything . Even when I think about just letting one go natural. There's probably a medicine to help me stop it
 
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The reason I ask about the outdoor grow is I'm 100% unlimited( as far as I could ever be) in height, as my raised bed boxes have 8 foot tall 2x2's for support, but I still want more tops than a Christmas Tree-looking plant!. I just did my 2nd topping, but I'm waiting for a few nodes before I do that again. But, if you think supercropping is best, I'll take your word for it!

Your pics are all the 'pudding proof' I need!

Those kind of plants(Mr Myagi trees) are what I'm looking for in either of my gardens!

Too bad you're in Tx. I'd put you up for a couple days for the education!

Again, thank you so much for your help!
 
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lol, I remember buying 'Lettuce Hash' from High Times when I was a teen in the 70's..
It seems everything you 'sent away for' to their classifieds was total shit and a money-soak! So so so have been down that road!!
 
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