Short strains for lowlevel growing.

Moebius

Moebius

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Hello fellow growers,

Im trying to use some unused space I have for some low level growing. Due to the height restrictions I need a plant diminutive of stature, a show-er not a grow-er!

My current grow is organic soil but for this I wanted something different so I'm working on this hempy setup. Im not certain how much it'll yield because i'm very much in a prototype stage.

The equipment Ive bought for this setup is 4*600watt digi ballasts, aircooled hoods, 2 * cf filters, 2 * 6" RVK.
My idea is to use these 42L tubs, each contains 21 bottles(2L). Space restricts me to 4 tubs under each half of the setup, 8 tubs total.
8*21 = 168 bottles.

The goal is to get each bottle to produce 15-16 grams of bud. 16gr * 168 = 2688grams/28 = 96 oz per run

Can anyone recommend a shorty strain .... Ive been trialling Violator Kush and have some exodus moms growing in veg.
 
crazyhazey

crazyhazey

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could just train a few of them to grow around their pots, keeps them pretty low to the ground. you could also use a tray to put your soil in rather than pots, may get some extra space by doing so. id suggest a cooltube if you got the money, these buds look really nice though, props.

heres a few pics of plants i trained, i tie them down before they can really get too high. any strain can grow out to be pretty short with some training, or 12/12 from seed, id suggest doing a scrog of some sort. if not, possibly an auto.
 

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Moebius

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crazyhazey said:
could just train a few of them to grow around their pots, keeps them pretty low to the ground. you could also use a tray to put your soil in rather than pots, may get some extra space by doing so. id suggest a cooltube if you got the money, these buds look really nice though, props.

heres a few pics of plants i trained, i tie them down before they can really get too high. any strain can grow out to be pretty short with some training, or 12/12 from seed, id suggest doing a scrog of some sort. if not, possibly an auto.
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I'm already doing soil in another flower room I have and I do LST in pots, Im kinda bored of that technique and want something with less maintaince. Yes, I can afford cooltubes LOL Im not growing potatoes LOL ... I had 2 of them but didnt like the light spread so I sold them on. 12/12 from seed or auto's is too much of a waste, Im looking for 160+ plants and it wouldnt make sense buying that many seeds from breeders.
I prefer cloning.
 
crazyhazey

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Moebius said:
I'm already doing soil in another flower room I have and I do LST in pots, Im kinda bored of that technique and want something with less maintaince. Yes, I can afford cooltubes LOL Im not growing potatoes LOL ... I had 2 of them but didnt like the light spread so I sold them on. 12/12 from seed or auto's is too much of a waste, Im looking for 160+ plants and it wouldnt make sense buying that many seeds from breeders.
I prefer cloning.
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haha some of us got bills to pay, never know. and im not sure, maybe something high yielding like chronic, kolossus from sannies is a good chronic cross, yields very well too. dont know how youd manage to not to 12/12 from seed with that little space or without doing some sort of training though, maybe train 1 of the soil ones and make it a mother, then do 12/12 for the clones in hydro. should get some good results, a cool tube would really help avoiding any heat burns.
 
Moebius

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crazyhazey said:
haha some of us got bills to pay, never know. and im not sure, maybe something high yielding like chronic, kolossus from sannies is a good chronic cross, yields very well too. dont know how youd manage to not to 12/12 from seed with that little space or without doing some sort of training though, maybe train 1 of the soil ones and make it a mother, then do 12/12 for the clones in hydro. should get some good results, a cool tube would really help avoiding any heat burns.
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cheers, I'll do the research on those strains.
I dont have any heat issues anymore, lights are aircooled and exhausted into a chimney. I have suffered from a little light bleaching in the plants directly closest to the bulb. Im going to hard fix the hoods to the ceiling which will give me a precious 6 inches more.

Thanks for your ideas about training and lst and autos ... I dont see how they compare to having 160 hempys though each yielding 15-16gr. Through my initial testing ive found very little leaf or branch growth but quality dense nugs. I'll dial it in soon and achieve my goal of close to 100oz every 9 weeks with this setup.... I feel i may have bitten off more than i can chew because now i'm maintaining 2 flower rooms and i'm tired all the time....:sleep:

edit: btw it is 12/12 from clone.
 
crazyhazey

crazyhazey

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Moebius said:
cheers, I'll do the research on those strains.
I dont have any heat issues anymore, lights are aircooled and exhausted into a chimney. I have suffered from a little light bleaching in the plants directly closest to the bulb. Im going to hard fix the hoods to the ceiling which will give me a precious 6 inches more.

Thanks for your ideas about training and lst and autos ... I dont see how they compare to having 160 hempys though each yielding 15-16gr. Through my initial testing ive found very little leaf or branch growth but quality dense nugs. I'll dial it in soon and achieve my goal of close to 100oz every 9 weeks with this setup.... I feel i may have bitten off more than i can chew because now i'm maintaining 2 flower rooms and i'm tired all the time....:sleep:
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bug bud also may be something to look into, or possibly white rhino. sounds like you got the light dilemma handled though, any extra room will give you a little bit more time to veg, thus a bigger yield so thats a huge upgrade if you think about it. autos will keep you going back to the breeder, i admit this may be a not so good choice for perpetual either unless you were to breed some yourself. hydro tends to deliver pretty dense nugs but extra leaf matter is always good, for plants this close together however it may be more of a problem, you may have to do some careful defoliating in the process, though this wont hurt too much. growin this many gals can be a pain in the ass, but im sure itll pay off when you got yourself a couple pounds, once you dial in whatever strain you get im sure you could get even more.
im gonna be subbed to this thread if you make another please do post a link, i like your setup and may run one like it in the near future when i get a bigger place with an extra room. have you though about doing a mini stadium grow perhaps? sometimes the plants on the edges of your grow tend to lose some lumens when its a flat grow like this, though you do have a tray(i think ive seen some trays built at an angle for the purpose of a stadium/vert grow at my local hydro store before) for the hydro it might be something to try with the soil grow.
 
Moebius

Moebius

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crazyhazey said:
bug bud also may be something to look into, or possibly white rhino. sounds like you got the light dilemma handled though, any extra room will give you a little bit more time to veg, thus a bigger yield so thats a huge upgrade if you think about it. autos will keep you going back to the breeder, i admit this may be a not so good choice for perpetual either unless you were to breed some yourself. hydro tends to deliver pretty dense nugs but extra leaf matter is always good, for plants this close together however it may be more of a problem, you may have to do some careful defoliating in the process, though this wont hurt too much. growin this many gals can be a pain in the ass, but im sure itll pay off when you got yourself a couple pounds, once you dial in whatever strain you get im sure you could get even more.
im gonna be subbed to this thread if you make another please do post a link, i like your setup and may run one like it in the near future when i get a bigger place with an extra room. have you though about doing a mini stadium grow perhaps? sometimes the plants on the edges of your grow tend to lose some lumens when its a flat grow like this, though you do have a tray(i think ive seen some trays built at an angle for the purpose of a stadium/vert grow at my local hydro store before) for the hydro it might be something to try with the soil grow.
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One of the problems with having so many hempys is the feeding. I built an automatic watering system but have now opted for manual feeding. The plants are kept in 42l tubs with a drainage hole fitted. I can fill the bottles without having them sit in the runoff. A Stadium setup would make watering difficult.

Also, I noticed the contrary of the typical flat lighting dilemma was true in this setup. The plants further away from the bulb actually looked slightly better than the ones nearest the bulb. I attribute this to light bleaching. Some of plants nearest the bulb showed slight stress. I'll attempt to rectify this by raising the hoods to the absolute maximum I can. This will also benefit me by increasing my light footprint.

I appreciate the encouragement. And now I have a new camera will update regularly on my grows.

edit: I think when fully running with 160 plants, defoliation will be prudent.
 
crazyhazey

crazyhazey

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Moebius said:
One of the problems with having so many hempys is the feeding. I built an automatic watering system but have now opted for manual feeding. The plants are kept in 42l tubs with a drainage hole fitted. I can fill the bottles without having them sit in the runoff. A Stadium setup would make watering difficult.

Also, I noticed the contrary of the typical flat lighting dilemma was true in this setup. The plants further away from the bulb actually looked slightly better than the ones nearest the bulb. I attribute this to light bleaching. Some of plants nearest the bulb showed slight stress. I'll attempt to rectify this by raising the hoods to the absolute maximum I can. This will also benefit me by increasing my light footprint.

I appreciate the encouragement. And now I have a new camera will update regularly on my grows.
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whatever works, just throwin out some suggestions. as for the light bleaching, im pretty sure that extra 6 inches will help out a bunch.
 
Moebius

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crazyhazey said:
whatever works, just throwin out some suggestions. as for the light bleaching, im pretty sure that extra 6 inches will help out a bunch.
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Suggestions, ideas, criticisms and witticism are always welcomed by me. They are food for thought.

EDIT:

On reflection, Im going to employ your stadium idea. sort of. What I can do is simply put pieces of wood of decreasing height along each row inside the tubs. In a tier fashion. I'll do this once I hard fix these hoods to the ceiling, raising them 6".

Thanks for the contribution.
 
crazyhazey

crazyhazey

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Moebius said:
Suggestions, ideas, criticisms and witticism are always welcomed by me. They are food for thought.

EDIT:

On reflection, Im going to employ your stadium idea. sort of. What I can do is simply put pieces of wood of decreasing height along each row inside the tubs. In a tier fashion. I'll do this once I hard fix these hoods to the ceiling, raising them 6".

Thanks for the contribution.
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every little bit of elevation will result in more lumens being received so that good, and always glad to make a suggestion, nothings better than a second opinion.
 
Moebius

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A week or go or so I had a brain-fart and decided to spray my bud with a seaweed solution I happened to have in my hand. As soon as I did it I thought 'thats not good' ... Anyways, I thought I'd chop some ladies tonight and ive noticed budrot. The budrot feels really wet, soggy, and like a mush. The affected areas just fall apart and has the look and feel of wet weetabix. Out of about 10 hempys, 3 have the budrot but Im not too upset because its a first for me, and a last.

 
crazyhazey

crazyhazey

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Moebius said:
A week or go or so I had a brain-fart and decided to spray my bud with a seaweed solution I happened to have in my hand. As soon as I did it I thought 'thats not good' ... Anyways, I thought I'd chop some ladies tonight and ive noticed budrot. The budrot feels really wet, soggy, and like a mush. The affected areas just fall apart and has the look and feel of wet weetabix. Out of about 10 hempys, 3 have the budrot but Im not too upset because its a first for me, and a last.

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better sterilize your room, it could be contaminated with mold spores. i use some h202 in a spritzer bottle usually, as for these buds, maybe just make hash or BHO with them, i was always iffy about smoking moldy buds.
 
Moebius

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crazyhazey said:
better sterilize your room, it could be contaminated with mold spores. i use some h202 in a spritzer bottle usually, as for these buds, maybe just make hash or BHO with them, i was always iffy about smoking moldy buds.
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I will sterlize the room when lights come on. ... I wasn't going to, I just assumed that the mould was actually a 'rot' and not caused by fungal spores but by foliar spraying.

I guess it wouldnt hurt to be careful, plus the room needs a clean anyhow.

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I have a bottle of H202 but I think I'll just bleach, or maybe steam Polti Vaporetto
will post pics tonight.

Yeah, I'll make hash with it. I already have 7*2Litre Jars full of Frozen grade B, lemon skunk bud. Ive never done it but as soon as I get time (next week) I intend to purchase the bags and washing machine. For the last 18months Ive been throwing my trim in the bin.
 
crazyhazey

crazyhazey

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Moebius said:
I will sterlize the room when lights come on. ... I wasn't going to, I just assumed that the mould was actually a 'rot' and not caused by fungal spores but by foliar spraying.

I guess it wouldnt hurt to be careful, plus the room needs a clean anyhow.

Edit:
I have a bottle of H202 but I think I'll just bleach, or maybe steam Polti Vaporetto
will post pics tonight.

Yeah, I'll make hash with it. I already have 7*2Litre Jars full of Frozen grade B, lemon skunk bud. Ive never done it but as soon as I get time (next week) I intend to purchase the bags and washing machine. For the last 18months Ive been throwing my trim in the bin.
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its always a good idea to be safe, better safe than sorry is what i live by when it comes to growin, take as many preventative measures as you can and youll never be let down. sorry about the bud rot though, when you spray in the last couple days its always a good idea to sort of shake off any excess moisture, of course some strains are more susceptible to it. as for the bleach, use a small concentration of it then give it a wash with normal water afterwards, bleach sometimes has the potential to kill em, especially when they're small. make sure nothing gets in their reservoir too, thatd be shitty. bho might be a good idea if you wanna keep from purchasing all those expensive bubble bags, washing the buds may be a good idea, i think theres some measures to take when this happens but it hasnt happened to me for about 4 years now, last time it did i just harvested the moldy part and let em run. trim is great for bho too, but theres plenty of ways to make bho more pure, running it multiple times and leaving it on a low temp(maybe 100 degrees or so) in an oven is a good idea, only for about 10 minutes. i even hit it with a torch a little bit just to pop some bubbles, vacuum purging also does it some good. theres lots of methods to making it to be honest, it can cost you anywhere from 100 dollars to a couple grand for all the materials, after about the 3rd time making it youll probably get the hang of it so id do small batches. it yields very well though, i was thinking about trying dry ice hash soon too.
 
Moebius

Moebius

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crazyhazey said:
its always a good idea to be safe, better safe than sorry is what i live by when it comes to growin, take as many preventative measures as you can and youll never be let down. sorry about the bud rot though, when you spray in the last couple days its always a good idea to sort of shake off any excess moisture, of course some strains are more susceptible to it. as for the bleach, use a small concentration of it then give it a wash with normal water afterwards, bleach sometimes has the potential to kill em, especially when they're small. make sure nothing gets in their reservoir too, thatd be shitty. bho might be a good idea if you wanna keep from purchasing all those expensive bubble bags, washing the buds may be a good idea, i think theres some measures to take when this happens but it hasnt happened to me for about 4 years now, last time it did i just harvested the moldy part and let em run. trim is great for bho too, but theres plenty of ways to make bho more pure, running it multiple times and leaving it on a low temp(maybe 100 degrees or so) in an oven is a good idea, only for about 10 minutes. i even hit it with a torch a little bit just to pop some bubbles, vacuum purging also does it some good. theres lots of methods to making it to be honest, it can cost you anywhere from 100 dollars to a couple grand for all the materials, after about the 3rd time making it youll probably get the hang of it so id do small batches. it yields very well though, i was thinking about trying dry ice hash soon too.
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I'll completely take the room apart to clean so no risk of bleach damaging the plants. Im going try and maximise production and install the other 2*600W and 4 tubs soon so I may as well clean up now while i'm early in the process.

I would like to try BHO, for me Ice hash seems more appealing.
 
crazyhazey

crazyhazey

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Moebius said:
I'll completely take the room apart to clean so no risk of bleach damaging the plants. Im going try and maximise production and install the other 2*600W and 4 tubs soon so I may as well clean up now while i'm early in the process.

I would like to try BHO, for me Ice hash seems more appealing.
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sounds like a good idea, bho is awesome but ice hash is good as well, i just feel like i get much more out of bho. but then you gotta buy a nail and an adapter.
 
Wand Via Stomps

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I love your set up. I have been looking for a good solid SOG strain myself. Im gonna be doing 2 liter hempys as well. Im gonna line up my closet with them. The best SOG stains I have read about are Belladona, HOG, Ice bomb, WWxBB, c99, Chronic, BB. Im leaning towards Ice bomb for myself.
 
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