Should I repot my autoflowers into bigger pots?

Gentlemencorpse

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how is this still worsening when I've been giving exact recommended dose of nutes everyday plus calmag
Only look at new growth for signs of improvment. Old leaves dont heal. They may continue to discolor even while the new growth is healthy.

Hows your humidity? If your seeing condensation on the leaves thats because your rH is too high, not because the plant is overwatered.
 

skinnys

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You're on the right path, I see slight improvement on your color. The yellowing probably won't disappear.

How often do you foliar feed? It sounds like you're doing it often, I personally never do unless I have to.
 
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BibbyMcBuds

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Only look at new growth for signs of improvment. Old leaves dont heal. They may continue to discolor even while the new growth is healthy.

Hows your humidity? If your seeing condensation on the leaves thats because your rH is too high, not because the plant is overwatered.
Oh I see, the new growth is looking better actually. What should I do with the old discoloured leaves? Should I at some point trim them off maybe when the plant is bigger? The humidity has been going up in the tent for some reason, it got to 70% at one point even with the fan and duct fan both running. Not sure why that's happening. Is there a way to bring it down other than the fans? Also how do I bring the temp up?
 

BibbyMcBuds

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You're on the right path, I see slight improvement on your color. The yellowing probably won't disappear.

How often do you foliar feed? It sounds like you're doing it often, I personally never do unless I have to.
I use the foliar feed once a week now and when they were little I used it once every couple days just to get the roots nice and strong. Should I stop using the foliar feed now?
 

BibbyMcBuds

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Oh I see, the new growth is looking better actually. What should I do with the old discoloured leaves? Should I at some point trim them off maybe when the plant is bigger? The humidity has been going up in the tent for some reason, it got to 70% at one point even with the fan and duct fan both running. Not sure why that's happening. Is there a way to bring it down other than the fans? Also how do I bring the temp up?
I probably should have mentioned that I take them into the shower to water them and put them on a stand to drain into the bottom of the shower then quickly take them back to the tent. That's where they have been doing that thing where the leaves get all the water on them. Maybe the change of temp isn't good but I don't have any way to water them in the tent as of now. Thanks heaps for all your help (:
 

BibbyMcBuds

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I use the foliar feed once a week now and when they were little I used it once every couple days just to get the roots nice and strong. Should I stop using the foliar feed now?
Also I forgot to say thankyou very much for all your help. You all have been so great. It's hard to get the right information online as there's so much contradictory information :wall: I've figured out how to use the emojis on here now lol
 

BibbyMcBuds

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It's not possible to over-water coco.
One of coco's unique properties is that even at full saturation, it has ample aeration.
The pics also show some perlite, which makes it even less likely that over-watering is an issue.
I did read that so that's what I thought but then I also read that it can be overwatered, wonder why there is so much contradictory advice online about Coco it's so confusing. I've never seen so many different things said about anything lol. Okie doke so definitely not overwatering. So continue to water daily, should I water till there's runoff daily like I have been? Also the leaves drooping after watering, i guess that's the humidity and not the watering. Thankyou for taking time to answer much appreciated (:
 

Gentlemencorpse

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Okay, ditch the foliar feed for now. They can definitely be useful but are 100% not necessary and if your fighting with humidty its not helping.

It would be helpful for you to water them in place. By the time they are flowering especially. Get a watering can or pitcher.

Yes, you can trim off the wilted and discolored old leaves.

Only way to reduce humidity is to increase your ventilation, add an intake fan or run a dehumidifier. Is it really humid in general there right now?
 

BibbyMcBuds

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Okay, ditch the foliar feed for now. They can definitely be useful but are 100% not necessary and if your fighting with humidty its not helping.

It would be helpful for you to water them in place. By the time they are flowering especially. Get a watering can or pitcher.

Yes, you can trim off the wilted and discolored old leaves.

Only way to reduce humidity is to increase your ventilation, add an intake fan or run a dehumidifier. Is it really humid in general there right now?
Okay no more foliar feed. I've got a watering can with small nozzle to water the Coco only and not the actual plant but I just don't have anything in the bottom of the tent to catch the runoff so since they got bigger and needed more water I had to take them to the shower to catch the runoff otherwise the bottom of the tent would be all watery. I've been thinking of possibly investing in a wet n dry vac to suck up all the water that comes out of the bottom of the pot so I can do it in the tent, the tent is a bit small, I now realise I definitely should have gotten a slightly bigger one but I wasn't sure what would fit in my unit. I'm in Melbourne on the mornington peninsula and winter has literally just started today which means higher humidity, i don't think it has dropped below %75 humidity all week so that explains the sudden jump, can't believe I didn't think of that. I did turn up the exhaust fan and the oscillating fan which helped alot for the humidity but also took all the heat out, it's only 20 degrees Celsius in there now because of having all the fans going. I know I'm probably being a hassle asking you all this but is there an age that the plant has to be at before you can start trimming the leaves like the discoloured ones and the ones that are growing into the side of the tent? I think I can only really fit one plant comfortably in there but I didn't know that till now. I've already thanked you but I want to thank you again because one of my plants has really taken off thanks to your advice, you have been awesome!:-D
 

Treesomewanted77

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Okay no more foliar feed. I've got a watering can with small nozzle to water the Coco only and not the actual plant but I just don't have anything in the bottom of the tent to catch the runoff so since they got bigger and needed more water I had to take them to the shower to catch the runoff otherwise the bottom of the tent would be all watery. I've been thinking of possibly investing in a wet n dry vac to suck up all the water that comes out of the bottom of the pot so I can do it in the tent, the tent is a bit small, I now realise I definitely should have gotten a slightly bigger one but I wasn't sure what would fit in my unit. I'm in Melbourne on the mornington peninsula and winter has literally just started today which means higher humidity, i don't think it has dropped below %75 humidity all week so that explains the sudden jump, can't believe I didn't think of that. I did turn up the exhaust fan and the oscillating fan which helped alot for the humidity but also took all the heat out, it's only 20 degrees Celsius in there now because of having all the fans going. I know I'm probably being a hassle asking you all this but is there an age that the plant has to be at before you can start trimming the leaves like the discoloured ones and the ones that are growing into the side of the tent? I think I can only really fit one plant comfortably in there but I didn't know that till now. I've already thanked you but I want to thank you again because one of my plants has really taken off thanks to your advice, you have been awesome!:-D
Put them in a tote Or a big enough bowl or bucket that they will fit in with something in the bottom so they don’t sit in the bottom so the runoff water can escape the bags and don’t let the bags sit in the runoff. Water to like 20% runoff of the volume you’re putting in everytime. It doesn’t have to be exact just make sure you’re getting decent amounts of runoff to avoid salt buildup. They will grow really fast in coco. Good luck your doing good so far just keep it going
 

Gentlemencorpse

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I've been thinking of possibly investing in a wet n dry vac to suck up all the water that comes out of the bottom of the pot so I can do it in the tent
Thats probably overkill. Just get a couple saucers/plant trays. Theyre cheap and totally adequate. You want some runoff but you dont need to see a crazy amount. I typically water just until I start seeing some runoff.

The temp/humidity balance is always a bit of a trade off. It can be tough to get it just right when the ambient environment is fighting against you. Some people spring for heaters/ACs/dehueys/humidifiers etc to really dial it in for your local environment. Personally im too cheap and typically just ride it out. In veg I err on the side of getting the temps right, because the plants typically dont mind higher humidity, in flower though I always try and keep the rH down to avoid issues like bud rot even if it means lower temps. But only personal experience can really show what best for you.

Glad to hear your girls are turning around!
 

BibbyMcBuds

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Put them in a tote Or a big enough bowl or bucket that they will fit in with something in the bottom so they don’t sit in the bottom so the runoff water can escape the bags and don’t let the bags sit in the runoff. Water to like 20% runoff of the volume you’re putting in everytime. It doesn’t have to be exact just make sure you’re getting decent amounts of runoff to avoid salt buildup. They will grow really fast in coco. Good luck your doing good so far just keep it going
That is a really good idea, my tent is so small so it will be a bit fiddly but I'll have to do it especially when it's flower time. I'll get a bucket that will fit the pot stand thing that I put the plants on to drain them. That will work. I will be able to monitor the amount of run off coming out better that way too. Thankyou very much
 

BibbyMcBuds

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Thats probably overkill. Just get a couple saucers/plant trays. Theyre cheap and totally adequate. You want some runoff but you dont need to see a crazy amount. I typically water just until I start seeing some runoff.

The temp/humidity balance is always a bit of a trade off. It can be tough to get it just right when the ambient environment is fighting against you. Some people spring for heaters/ACs/dehueys/humidifiers etc to really dial it in for your local environment. Personally im too cheap and typically just ride it out. In veg I err on the side of getting the temps right, because the plants typically dont mind higher humidity, in flower though I always try and keep the rH down to avoid issues like bud rot even if it means lower temps. But only personal experience can really show what best for you.

Glad to hear your girls are turning around!
Yeah your right that is overkill. Like you say I'll get a bucket or tray the right size then put the plant stand in it so the plants don't absorb the runoff. Hopefully I can find one perfect size to be able to fit in the tent. Okay so while in veg I'll not worry so much about the humidity so I can keep the temps up then in flower I'll get the humidity right and not worry so much about the temps. That's very good advice. I'm cheap but not by choice lol. It is very expensive to live here at the moment. The bigger one is getting very bushy now since they have been growing better, while I've got you is there some trimming I should be doing to improve air circulation? I did cut the two yellow leaves off of the smaller plant that had the deficiency, it's looking heaps better. Also should I be leaving the fan running while they are sleeping? Thankyou so much for all your help. I've attached new pics of them just now, they just woke up.
 

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Gentlemencorpse

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Huge improvement man!

Trimming leaves is the subject of much debate and kind of a personal preference thing. I tend to trim off any large fan leaves that cover the bud sites to maximize light penetration and increase airflow, but leaves are also the plants food source so I dont like to go as crazy as some people. I know guys who strip hard and are very successful though and guys who trim nothing and do great so I hate to say whats "best". What I will say is if those were my plants, Id take most of the bigger fans off the bushy plant.

And yes, run the fans 24 hrs. Air circulation is important all the time.

What light cyclr are you running? 18/6? Sorry if you said it somewhere all ready, im just smoked a spliff and am too lazy to reread the thread haha
 

BibbyMcBuds

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Huge improvement man!

Trimming leaves is the subject of much debate and kind of a personal preference thing. I tend to trim off any large fan leaves that cover the bud sites to maximize light penetration and increase airflow, but leaves are also the plants food source so I dont like to go as crazy as some people. I know guys who strip hard and are very successful though and guys who trim nothing and do great so I hate to say whats "best". What I will say is if those were my plants, Id take most of the bigger fans off the bushy plant.

And yes, run the fans 24 hrs. Air circulation is important all the time.

What light cyclr are you running? 18/6? Sorry if you said it somewhere all ready, im just smoked a spliff and am too lazy to reread the thread haha
That's all good man I understand, I'm like that straight let alone stoned lol. I have a 24/7 brain fog, I went by the "go hard or go home" mantra for 10 years. Needless to say it destroyed my brain & my liver lol. Yay huge improvement is what I like to hear, thanks heaps! I'll run the fans all the time now, I thought maybe the fan might disturb their sleep, I don't know why I thought that. Yes 18/6 light cycle. I have trimmed the very bottom leaves off both because they were just in the way of watering them (you know the very first true leaves they get) & I trimmed the really yellow ones off the smaller one. There's still a couple fan leaves that have a little bit of yellowing on the very edges, should I take them off too or leave them? I was too scared to trim any of the big ones before I read what you had to say so instead I tucked them under the bud sites. It seems to have worked for now at least. I also noticed they have their first little white hairs coming out of the stem, that means very early flower? I'm considering getting bio diesel rhino K to give them in the final three weeks, good idea or no? I'm just sort of concerned that the nutrients I'm giving them that are meant to be from start to finish won't be giving them enough P & K. Thanks again your the best
 

BibbyMcBuds

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That's all good man I understand, I'm like that straight let alone stoned lol. I have a 24/7 brain fog, I went by the "go hard or go home" mantra for 10 years. Needless to say it destroyed my brain & my liver lol. Yay huge improvement is what I like to hear, thanks heaps! I'll run the fans all the time now, I thought maybe the fan might disturb their sleep, I don't know why I thought that. Yes 18/6 light cycle. I have trimmed the very bottom leaves off both because they were just in the way of watering them (you know the very first true leaves they get) & I trimmed the really yellow ones off the smaller one. There's still a couple fan leaves that have a little bit of yellowing on the very edges, should I take them off too or leave them? I was too scared to trim any of the big ones before I read what you had to say so instead I tucked them under the bud sites. It seems to have worked for now at least. I also noticed they have their first little white hairs coming out of the stem, that means very early flower? I'm considering getting bio diesel rhino K to give them in the final three weeks, good idea or no? I'm just sort of concerned that the nutrients I'm giving them that are meant to be from start to finish won't be giving them enough P & K. Thanks again your the best
Also I'm a bit confused on whether I need to buy an EC meter or TDS meter or PPM meter? As far as I can understand the TDS meter is the same as EC meter, it seems very involved. So do I buy the TDS meter or EC meter? The TDS reads the EC then calculates the PPM reading? My nutrients say to get the right EC reading so that's confusing, what do you use? I'll get whatever you use. I also did some research into these professor's nutrients part A & B that I'm using because I was thinking how can the plants get the right PK from the same nutrients they use in veg so I read up and apparently I am supposed to be using the professor's flower boost at this stage then adding the A&B to then get the solution to the right EC reading. That makes more sense to me but the hydro shop guy said that the a&b could be used all the way through to harvest. So I think instead of getting the bio diesel rhino k I'll get the professor's flower boost to mix with the A&B then in the last three weeks use the extreme boost however I can't afford to get both the nutrients and the meter this week. Ugh
 

Billy the Mountain

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They measure the same thing: electrical conductivity.
PPM is a derived measure which causes needless confusion. The PPM value is only valid for NaCl and does NOT give the elemental ppm of the nutrient solution.

Stick to EC for all things hydroponic
 

BibbyMcBuds

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Okay thanks heaps for that, makes it much easier to understand. It doesn't explain that anywhere that I've read. Does that mean the PPM reading of the nutrient solution is how much salt is in it?
 

Gentlemencorpse

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Also I'm a bit confused on whether I need to buy an EC meter or TDS meter or PPM meter? As far as I can understand the TDS meter is the same as EC meter, it seems very involved. So do I buy the TDS meter or EC meter? The TDS reads the EC then calculates the PPM reading? My nutrients say to get the right EC reading so that's confusing, what do you use? I'll get whatever you use. I also did some research into these professor's nutrients part A & B that I'm using because I was thinking how can the plants get the right PK from the same nutrients they use in veg so I read up and apparently I am supposed to be using the professor's flower boost at this stage then adding the A&B to then get the solution to the right EC reading. That makes more sense to me but the hydro shop guy said that the a&b could be used all the way through to harvest. So I think instead of getting the bio diesel rhino k I'll get the professor's flower boost to mix with the A&B then in the last three weeks use the extreme boost however I can't afford to get both the nutrients and the meter this week. Ugh
Personally, Id save your money and just ride the A&B to the end. It says its for the whole cycle so see how it goes. Then if you arent satisfied add a bloom booster next round. Ive done just fine with full cycle nutes like Veg+Bloom. A bloom booster can help but its not like you wont get bud just doing what your doing.

As for the meters, Im no help. I never really used them. These days I grow in ammended peat and top dress so theres no need. And when I was mixing nute solutions I was just winging it. I seem to have a knack for that though, certainly not suggesting it for everyone. Im a big fan of tailoring your grow to your personality rather than visa versa. I find measuring and monitoring tedious, so I try and grow in ways that dont need it. Im sure my plants would be more consistent if I did, but thats not me, and my end product is plenty good enough for me and my friends. Beats the dispo boof for certain.
 
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